Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
So, is there a way I can put some power to it while out of the car, to observe it working? Also, how would I test the electrical connector, to ensure there isn't something wrong with the wire down stream that's preventing power from even getting to the valve. Keep in mind, you have to talk slow. I have a pretty good multimeter, but electrical items are not my forte. red sticky think on meter goes in little hole by the tomato paste can type talk works best when giving instructions to me with anything electrical. lol Thanks in advance, Ed 300E 2009/3/1 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au You may heat and cool it all you like but being fully electrical in operation you will be wasting your time, it is not like the earlier ones found in K jet cars. Difference being that the K jet ones where cold idle valves which basically has a cold engine setting and warm engine setting, whereas the newer ones work all the time to stabilize the engine idle and compensate for extra load. Hendrik E M wrote: Beside the voltage from the electrical connection, which I understand just heats a bi metal strip faster, won't the bi metal strip operate the same way when subjected to heat and cold, only slower? Is there a way to test the electrical connection too to ensure proper power is getting to the valve? I have a pretty good multimeter, but need some guidance as to what setting I should put it on for testing? Thanks Hendrik Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090301/9ac18a13/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
So, is there a way I can put some power to it while out of the car, to observe it working? It's got two pins, right? Feed 12V to them and see if the slide inside moves. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
From memory you should be able to hear an audible click as the restrictor spins around rather quick, it works on a variable power supply principle. Thus if you can hook up your multimeter onto the pins while the car is idling you should be able to read some voltage. It is possible to make up a MB type of tester that goes between the feed plug and receiver on the 'tomato' can but you need some electrical connectors. However you should be able to pull the feed plug back far enough to get the multimeter probes onto the poles, without braking the circuit. Hendrik who is not that flash when it comes to electrical thingy a jiggies whatsitmit callem..you know what I am talking about Jim Cathey wrote: So, is there a way I can put some power to it while out of the car, to observe it working? It's got two pins, right? Feed 12V to them and see if the slide inside moves. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
Thanks Hendrik, Yeah, I can picture what you mean. The probes on the meter are pretty narrow, so I think I can do as you suggest, and get them between the connector and tomato can. If not, I don't think it would be too hard to rig up something that would fit. I'll keep you updated in a few days, -16 today, wee bit chilly to tinker on cars outdoors. Thanks again, Ed 300E 2009/3/1 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au From memory you should be able to hear an audible click as the restrictor spins around rather quick, it works on a variable power supply principle. Thus if you can hook up your multimeter onto the pins while the car is idling you should be able to read some voltage. It is possible to make up a MB type of tester that goes between the feed plug and receiver on the 'tomato' can but you need some electrical connectors. However you should be able to pull the feed plug back far enough to get the multimeter probes onto the poles, without braking the circuit. Hendrik who is not that flash when it comes to electrical thingy a jiggies whatsitmit callem..you know what I am talking about Jim Cathey wrote: So, is there a way I can put some power to it while out of the car, to observe it working? It's got two pins, right? Feed 12V to them and see if the slide inside moves. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090301/4823c612/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
Yeah especially if you are wearing a frilly skirt, harden up and grow a set :-) -16 blah, we used to wear shorts and go barefoot unless it got to minus 20. Hendrik E M wrote: I'll keep you updated in a few days, -16 today, wee bit chilly to tinker on cars outdoors. Thanks again, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
It's having the set drop off that I worry about. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/3/1 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Yeah especially if you are wearing a frilly skirt, harden up and grow a set :-) -16 blah, we used to wear shorts and go barefoot unless it got to minus 20. Hendrik E M wrote: I'll keep you updated in a few days, -16 today, wee bit chilly to tinker on cars outdoors. Thanks again, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090301/6c55b3a0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] AUX Air Valve ??
Hi Everyone, Not sure the Mercedes name for the part, but the AUX Air Valve. The air valve which allows extrat air on start up on gassers on the CIS system. Anyway, I've been going over the car a bit when the weather has allowed. I idle is somewhat high, and stays high. I've been looking for air leaks. I check the boot on the horn, fine, two hoses going to the AUX, fine. I pulled the Valve off, (the one that looks like a tomato paste can) and flushed well with brake cleaner. I stuck my finger in, and I can move the small flapper valve to the fully open with my baby finger. I stuck it in the freezer for half hour, too see if much movement. My question is, I want to do the test again, both freezer, and also heating it up, and then observe an movement. Freezer is easy, but what temp should I heat it to, to see that it closes as it should?? Thanks in advance. Also, if it's fried, does anyone have a used one laying about for an '88, W124 3.0 ? Ed 300E, just passed emissions with flying colours. Not bad for 344,465 kms. ;-) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/fd276c14/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve ??
So, how did the baby finger feel after half an hour in the freezer. Did it move freely? I know it's a reach, but I couldn't help it. He,he. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve ?? Hi Everyone, Not sure the Mercedes name for the part, but the AUX Air Valve. The air valve which allows extrat air on start up on gassers on the CIS system. Anyway, I've been going over the car a bit when the weather has allowed. I idle is somewhat high, and stays high. I've been looking for air leaks. I check the boot on the horn, fine, two hoses going to the AUX, fine. I pulled the Valve off, (the one that looks like a tomato paste can) and flushed well with brake cleaner. I stuck my finger in, and I can move the small flapper valve to the fully open with my baby finger. I stuck it in the freezer for half hour, too see if much movement. My question is, I want to do the test again, both freezer, and also heating it up, and then observe an movement. Freezer is easy, but what temp should I heat it to, to see that it closes as it should?? Thanks in advance. Also, if it's fried, does anyone have a used one laying about for an '88, W124 3.0 ? Ed 300E, just passed emissions with flying colours. Not bad for 344,465 kms. ;-) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/fd 276c14/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve ??
Feeling still hasn't returned yet, and I seem to have a AUX stuck on the end of it now too. lol Ed 300E 2009/2/28 Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com So, how did the baby finger feel after half an hour in the freezer. Did it move freely? I know it's a reach, but I couldn't help it. He,he. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve ?? Hi Everyone, Not sure the Mercedes name for the part, but the AUX Air Valve. The air valve which allows extrat air on start up on gassers on the CIS system. Anyway, I've been going over the car a bit when the weather has allowed. I idle is somewhat high, and stays high. I've been looking for air leaks. I check the boot on the horn, fine, two hoses going to the AUX, fine. I pulled the Valve off, (the one that looks like a tomato paste can) and flushed well with brake cleaner. I stuck my finger in, and I can move the small flapper valve to the fully open with my baby finger. I stuck it in the freezer for half hour, too see if much movement. My question is, I want to do the test again, both freezer, and also heating it up, and then observe an movement. Freezer is easy, but what temp should I heat it to, to see that it closes as it should?? Thanks in advance. Also, if it's fried, does anyone have a used one laying about for an '88, W124 3.0 ? Ed 300E, just passed emissions with flying colours. Not bad for 344,465 kms. ;-) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/fd 276c14/attachment.htmlhttp://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/fd%0A276c14/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/0ea5d95e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
I take it you are talking about the electrically operated idle air valve (MB call it the idle speed adjuster) that sits just forward of the fuel distributor? http://www.buymbparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1988-MERCEDES-300eyearid=1988%40%401988makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES%40%40Xmodelid=6200%3AMBC|1507%3AED|1013%40%40300Ecatid=240621@@Fuel+Injectionsubcatid=240654@@Idle+Control+Valvemode=PA The test for these things is applying battery voltage and you should hear it move. Hendrik E M wrote: Hi Everyone, Not sure the Mercedes name for the part, but the AUX Air Valve. The air valve which allows extrat air on start up on gassers on the CIS system. Anyway, I've been going over the car a bit when the weather has allowed. I idle is somewhat high, and stays high. I've been looking for air leaks. I check the boot on the horn, fine, two hoses going to the AUX, fine. I pulled the Valve off, (the one that looks like a tomato paste can) and flushed well with brake cleaner. I stuck my finger in, and I can move the small flapper valve to the fully open with my baby finger. I stuck it in the freezer for half hour, too see if much movement. My question is, I want to do the test again, both freezer, and also heating it up, and then observe an movement. Freezer is easy, but what temp should I heat it to, to see that it closes as it should?? Thanks in advance. Also, if it's fried, does anyone have a used one laying about for an '88, W124 3.0 ? Ed 300E, just passed emissions with flying colours. Not bad for 344,465 kms. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
Beside the voltage from the electrical connection, which I understand just heats a bi metal strip faster, won't the bi metal strip operate the same way when subjected to heat and cold, only slower? Is there a way to test the electrical connection too to ensure proper power is getting to the valve? I have a pretty good multimeter, but need some guidance as to what setting I should put it on for testing? Thanks Hendrik Ed 300E 2009/2/28 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au I take it you are talking about the electrically operated idle air valve (MB call it the idle speed adjuster) that sits just forward of the fuel distributor? http://www.buymbparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1988-MERCEDES-300eyearid=1988%40%401988makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES%40%40Xmodelid=6200%3AMBC|1507%3AED|1013%40%40300Ecatid=240621@@Fuel+Injectionsubcatid=240654@@Idle+Control+Valvemode=PAhttp://www.buymbparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1988-MERCEDES-300eyearid=1988%40%401988makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES%40%40Xmodelid=6200%3AMBC%7C1507%3AED%7C1013%40%40300Ecatid=240621@@Fuel+Injectionsubcatid=240654@@Idle+Control+Valvemode=PA The test for these things is applying battery voltage and you should hear it move. Hendrik E M wrote: Hi Everyone, Not sure the Mercedes name for the part, but the AUX Air Valve. The air valve which allows extrat air on start up on gassers on the CIS system. Anyway, I've been going over the car a bit when the weather has allowed. I idle is somewhat high, and stays high. I've been looking for air leaks. I check the boot on the horn, fine, two hoses going to the AUX, fine. I pulled the Valve off, (the one that looks like a tomato paste can) and flushed well with brake cleaner. I stuck my finger in, and I can move the small flapper valve to the fully open with my baby finger. I stuck it in the freezer for half hour, too see if much movement. My question is, I want to do the test again, both freezer, and also heating it up, and then observe an movement. Freezer is easy, but what temp should I heat it to, to see that it closes as it should?? Thanks in advance. Also, if it's fried, does anyone have a used one laying about for an '88, W124 3.0 ? Ed 300E, just passed emissions with flying colours. Not bad for 344,465 kms. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/2b397419/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
Sorry, my first reply didn't include to say that, yes, the picture if of the valve I'm talking about. And yikes, how the price of these things has gone though the roof in the past couple of years! Same with similar porsche bits. What I bought a few years back for $150, is now $600 or more!! Glad I have a few spare bits and pieces sitting on the shelf. Always surprised some Chinese company didn't make cheaper copies of these. As some of these cars are aging, and their value going down, maybe this is an area where a cheap Chinese part costing 1/4 that of the original can be justified? As I said in my previous post, some CIS Porsche pieces that cost less than $200 a few year back, are now pushing $700 and up! Ed 300E 2009/2/28 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au I take it you are talking about the electrically operated idle air valve (MB call it the idle speed adjuster) that sits just forward of the fuel distributor? http://www.buymbparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1988-MERCEDES-300eyearid=1988%40%401988makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES%40%40Xmodelid=6200%3AMBC|1507%3AED|1013%40%40300Ecatid=240621@@Fuel+Injectionsubcatid=240654@@Idle+Control+Valvemode=PAhttp://www.buymbparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1988-MERCEDES-300eyearid=1988%40%401988makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES%40%40Xmodelid=6200%3AMBC%7C1507%3AED%7C1013%40%40300Ecatid=240621@@Fuel+Injectionsubcatid=240654@@Idle+Control+Valvemode=PA The test for these things is applying battery voltage and you should hear it move. Hendrik E M wrote: Hi Everyone, Not sure the Mercedes name for the part, but the AUX Air Valve. The air valve which allows extrat air on start up on gassers on the CIS system. Anyway, I've been going over the car a bit when the weather has allowed. I idle is somewhat high, and stays high. I've been looking for air leaks. I check the boot on the horn, fine, two hoses going to the AUX, fine. I pulled the Valve off, (the one that looks like a tomato paste can) and flushed well with brake cleaner. I stuck my finger in, and I can move the small flapper valve to the fully open with my baby finger. I stuck it in the freezer for half hour, too see if much movement. My question is, I want to do the test again, both freezer, and also heating it up, and then observe an movement. Freezer is easy, but what temp should I heat it to, to see that it closes as it should?? Thanks in advance. Also, if it's fried, does anyone have a used one laying about for an '88, W124 3.0 ? Ed 300E, just passed emissions with flying colours. Not bad for 344,465 kms. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090228/a5212c5d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AUX Air Valve/idle air valve/idle speed adjuster/idle control valve
You may heat and cool it all you like but being fully electrical in operation you will be wasting your time, it is not like the earlier ones found in K jet cars. Difference being that the K jet ones where cold idle valves which basically has a cold engine setting and warm engine setting, whereas the newer ones work all the time to stabilize the engine idle and compensate for extra load. Hendrik E M wrote: Beside the voltage from the electrical connection, which I understand just heats a bi metal strip faster, won't the bi metal strip operate the same way when subjected to heat and cold, only slower? Is there a way to test the electrical connection too to ensure proper power is getting to the valve? I have a pretty good multimeter, but need some guidance as to what setting I should put it on for testing? Thanks Hendrik Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
