Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
The stealer sales guy I was talking to wanted to get a 126 coupé because he liked them. He said the guys there had no idea how to work on them. I said yeah you can’t plug a computer into them do they’re clueless and he totally agreed. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jun 17, 2024, at 10:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Then we can move on to the maintenance and repair departments. > > A friend at the gym was telling me about his '14 Audi. Broke the timing belt > (or chain?) and dealer told him he needed a new engine, quote was close to or > maybe into five figures. The local MB indy he goes to for his GLA gave him > the name of a guy who works on Audi and VW. He pulled the head, there was one > bent valve, fixed and on the road for $2,500. > > "Replace major component" is the dealer approach, no longer do they take the > time to diagnose the actual problem or damage and just repair that. > >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 19:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just >> label it “guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response. >> >> -D > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
Then we can move on to the maintenance and repair departments. A friend at the gym was telling me about his '14 Audi. Broke the timing belt (or chain?) and dealer told him he needed a new engine, quote was close to or maybe into five figures. The local MB indy he goes to for his GLA gave him the name of a guy who works on Audi and VW. He pulled the head, there was one bent valve, fixed and on the road for $2,500. "Replace major component" is the dealer approach, no longer do they take the time to diagnose the actual problem or damage and just repair that. On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 19:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just > label it “guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response. > > -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
Ol' Dave Mason called that the "git ready" fee. On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, at 18:14, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > Yeah the “dealer fee” was $750 and there was something else I forget. > “Documentation fee” or “prep fee” or something. F that. Yeah here’s my > payment, just stamp the title, give me a bill of sale and the keys and > let me get outta here. Easy peasy no cost there. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
In OK they do not have to charge a doc fee but if they do they have to charge everyone. In MO the state mandates the max dealer’s can charge. They just raised it $299 to $599 IIRC. I had a lot of dealers raise their default fees in desking as soon as they happened. It’s pure padding for the deal basically. Sales people do not get paid on it. There are a variety of things the sales people don’t get paid on that the dealers make money on such as the hold back on new cars as well as whatever the dealer pack which can be different on new versus used. Hold back is basically bonus money paid on each unit from the manufacturer. A typical amount is in the $4-800 range. Pack is just a number that is added to the cost of each deal that the owner/dealer principal comes up with. This could be anywhere from $8-1200 and is basically added to the cost of the vehicle subtracted from the gross. This amount goes straight to the owners pocket which also lowers the commission the dealer pays the sales person on the deal. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2024, at 6:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just label it > “guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response. > > -D > >> On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:50 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> In Michigan, and I suspect everywhere, the added fees have to be universal. >> If they discriminate and only charge the fee to some customers, they can >> lose their license, or be forced to refund everybody they collected the now >> illegal fee from. >> They could drop the selling price $750, but they can't take the 'mandatory >> fee' off or discount it, otherwise it wouldn't be mandatory. >> >> I suspect the law is pretty much the same thing everywhere. >> When it was a $75 document fee 30 years ago I thought it was a scam. >> Now that it's $500+, it's enough to keep me from dealing with them. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just label it “guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response. -D > On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:50 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > In Michigan, and I suspect everywhere, the added fees have to be universal. > If they discriminate and only charge the fee to some customers, they can lose > their license, or be forced to refund everybody they collected the now > illegal fee from. > They could drop the selling price $750, but they can't take the 'mandatory > fee' off or discount it, otherwise it wouldn't be mandatory. > > I suspect the law is pretty much the same thing everywhere. > When it was a $75 document fee 30 years ago I thought it was a scam. > Now that it's $500+, it's enough to keep me from dealing with them. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
In Michigan, and I suspect everywhere, the added fees have to be universal. If they discriminate and only charge the fee to some customers, they can lose their license, or be forced to refund everybody they collected the now illegal fee from. They could drop the selling price $750, but they can't take the 'mandatory fee' off or discount it, otherwise it wouldn't be mandatory. I suspect the law is pretty much the same thing everywhere. When it was a $75 document fee 30 years ago I thought it was a scam. Now that it's $500+, it's enough to keep me from dealing with them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
Yeah the “dealer fee” was $750 and there was something else I forget. “Documentation fee” or “prep fee” or something. F that. Yeah here’s my payment, just stamp the title, give me a bill of sale and the keys and let me get outta here. Easy peasy no cost there. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:38 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > I would rather have the Jag. I lust after those, they're beautiful cars. > > I can’t imagine what a clown show buying a new MB is today. I love how > there’s no price on the Monroney sticker (how do they get around that?) > meaning that they’re going to jerk me around as much as they can before they > every get to the Tru-Coat stuff. > > I like how MB of Tampa has a “dealer fee” of $800 last time I checked, and > will not under any circumstances remove it from a sale, even with used cars > on their lot. One of the few times I drove the CL600 I was picking up some > parts there and one of the used car idiots came out and started jerking my > chain about what a great trade the car would be. I’m thinking he figured I > was an idiot, because as soon as I said, “Give me a price and guarantee it > before anyone ever touches the car” and he was like, “Oh, yeah, no problem.” > I told him I would be at the wholesale parts counter to pick up some parts > and his face dropped. Never saw him again, but I did see his boss and asked > him where the guy was because he wanted to make me an offer on my 2001 CL600. > His eyes got wide and he says, “Did he give you a number yet?" > > There was something on the used lot a few years ago that I recall being > interested in, might have been a W211 when I was looking for Mrs. Dan’s R129 > replacement. I told the sales guy they would have to take the “Dealer fee” > off of the contract, they could bury it where ever they wanted, but I wasn’t > paying it as a line item. > > “We can’t do that, sir.” > > “Well, I guess you won’t be making this sale." > > -D > > >> On Jun 17, 2024, at 1:01 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I saw this driving by the Benz stealer on Friday while on the way to Costco. >> Roadster. It looked really nice, red/black seats, sounded REALLY good even >> without downpipes. Center console upgrade though that doesn't really appeal >> to me and the engine appeared to be detuned a bit from the earlier models. >> h. The auto top went through enough Rube Goldberg contortions, about 38 >> moving parts, to make my head hurt. G-d forbid that thing kakks. It was >> kinda fun to watch though, like watching a train wreck in slomo. I didn't >> drive it, they want you to sign 16 forms to drive an AMG although the guy >> probably would've gone with me in it right then. I had driven the CL600 and >> that caught his eye so I guess that made me somewhat legit. He really liked >> it and said he was thinking about finding one. >> >> Reeked of cig smoke. The stealer bought it from auction in NJ and had it >> shipped down here, discovered the stench and have tried all their detailing >> tricks to get it out. I guess it wouldn't really matter if it was for >> top-down driving but it was still pretty bad even after cleaning and ozone >> 2X. The stealer guy who was hanging around the used lot covering for >> someone who was gone says this is why it is "marked down." (That price was >> a little high for these things but since it was a CPO maybe that would be >> worth it if they continue a warranty for awhile) >> >> It's been sitting for 3-4months, he said if it doesn't sell in a month or so >> (which he did not expect to happen) they would move it to some other >> location they own or auction it on with the cig stink disclosure. So I say >> yeah you're gonna take a big haircut on that at auction (he didn't >> disagree), how about you give me a number that will be like what you would >> get net selling it on, I'll save you all that hassle. He rang the used car >> guy who was in the trailer eating his lunch and this guy said they would >> knock off the bullshit fees they load up the price with. I'm sure the >> Tru-coat was still gonna get charged though. I said yeah I wouldn't pay >> those anyway so maybe get realistic, so that is the best you can do? He >> says yeah that's what he says... OK thank you sir... These guys are clowns, >> not really willing to negotiate much. I guess they figure there are plenty >> of suckers coming around or they can just turf them off to the next outfit. >> >> Not that I am presently in the market for such a thing but it was kinda fun >> to have this stealer interaction and check out another GT. The guy I talked >> to was actually pretty nice, didn't bullshit me at all (that was his buddy), >> and had interest in older Benzes, just got divorced so he was feeling his >> oatios a bit. He had a really pretty cranberry/reddish-colored Jagyoowah XF >> coupé parked in back row there, caught my eye, he
Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
I would rather have the Jag. I lust after those, they're beautiful cars. I can’t imagine what a clown show buying a new MB is today. I love how there’s no price on the Monroney sticker (how do they get around that?) meaning that they’re going to jerk me around as much as they can before they every get to the Tru-Coat stuff. I like how MB of Tampa has a “dealer fee” of $800 last time I checked, and will not under any circumstances remove it from a sale, even with used cars on their lot. One of the few times I drove the CL600 I was picking up some parts there and one of the used car idiots came out and started jerking my chain about what a great trade the car would be. I’m thinking he figured I was an idiot, because as soon as I said, “Give me a price and guarantee it before anyone ever touches the car” and he was like, “Oh, yeah, no problem.” I told him I would be at the wholesale parts counter to pick up some parts and his face dropped. Never saw him again, but I did see his boss and asked him where the guy was because he wanted to make me an offer on my 2001 CL600. His eyes got wide and he says, “Did he give you a number yet?" There was something on the used lot a few years ago that I recall being interested in, might have been a W211 when I was looking for Mrs. Dan’s R129 replacement. I told the sales guy they would have to take the “Dealer fee” off of the contract, they could bury it where ever they wanted, but I wasn’t paying it as a line item. “We can’t do that, sir.” “Well, I guess you won’t be making this sale." -D > On Jun 17, 2024, at 1:01 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > I saw this driving by the Benz stealer on Friday while on the way to Costco. > Roadster. It looked really nice, red/black seats, sounded REALLY good even > without downpipes. Center console upgrade though that doesn't really appeal > to me and the engine appeared to be detuned a bit from the earlier models. > h. The auto top went through enough Rube Goldberg contortions, about 38 > moving parts, to make my head hurt. G-d forbid that thing kakks. It was > kinda fun to watch though, like watching a train wreck in slomo. I didn't > drive it, they want you to sign 16 forms to drive an AMG although the guy > probably would've gone with me in it right then. I had driven the CL600 and > that caught his eye so I guess that made me somewhat legit. He really liked > it and said he was thinking about finding one. > > Reeked of cig smoke. The stealer bought it from auction in NJ and had it > shipped down here, discovered the stench and have tried all their detailing > tricks to get it out. I guess it wouldn't really matter if it was for > top-down driving but it was still pretty bad even after cleaning and ozone > 2X. The stealer guy who was hanging around the used lot covering for someone > who was gone says this is why it is "marked down." (That price was a little > high for these things but since it was a CPO maybe that would be worth it if > they continue a warranty for awhile) > > It's been sitting for 3-4months, he said if it doesn't sell in a month or so > (which he did not expect to happen) they would move it to some other location > they own or auction it on with the cig stink disclosure. So I say yeah > you're gonna take a big haircut on that at auction (he didn't disagree), how > about you give me a number that will be like what you would get net selling > it on, I'll save you all that hassle. He rang the used car guy who was in > the trailer eating his lunch and this guy said they would knock off the > bullshit fees they load up the price with. I'm sure the Tru-coat was still > gonna get charged though. I said yeah I wouldn't pay those anyway so maybe > get realistic, so that is the best you can do? He says yeah that's what he > says... OK thank you sir... These guys are clowns, not really willing to > negotiate much. I guess they figure there are plenty of suckers coming > around or they can just turf them off to the next outfit. > > Not that I am presently in the market for such a thing but it was kinda fun > to have this stealer interaction and check out another GT. The guy I talked > to was actually pretty nice, didn't bullshit me at all (that was his buddy), > and had interest in older Benzes, just got divorced so he was feeling his > oatios a bit. He had a really pretty cranberry/reddish-colored Jagyoowah XF > coupé parked in back row there, caught my eye, he noticed me looking at it > and said right quick it was already sold and he was getting something else I > forget what. But it was a bro-bonding moment. > > https://www.mountpleasant.mercedesdealer.com/inventory/certified-used-2020-mercedes-benz-amg%c2%ae-gt-base-rwd-2d-convertible-wddyk7ha2la025750/ > > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe
[MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT
I saw this driving by the Benz stealer on Friday while on the way to Costco. Roadster. It looked really nice, red/black seats, sounded REALLY good even without downpipes. Center console upgrade though that doesn't really appeal to me and the engine appeared to be detuned a bit from the earlier models. h. The auto top went through enough Rube Goldberg contortions, about 38 moving parts, to make my head hurt. G-d forbid that thing kakks. It was kinda fun to watch though, like watching a train wreck in slomo. I didn't drive it, they want you to sign 16 forms to drive an AMG although the guy probably would've gone with me in it right then. I had driven the CL600 and that caught his eye so I guess that made me somewhat legit. He really liked it and said he was thinking about finding one. Reeked of cig smoke. The stealer bought it from auction in NJ and had it shipped down here, discovered the stench and have tried all their detailing tricks to get it out. I guess it wouldn't really matter if it was for top-down driving but it was still pretty bad even after cleaning and ozone 2X. The stealer guy who was hanging around the used lot covering for someone who was gone says this is why it is "marked down." (That price was a little high for these things but since it was a CPO maybe that would be worth it if they continue a warranty for awhile) It's been sitting for 3-4months, he said if it doesn't sell in a month or so (which he did not expect to happen) they would move it to some other location they own or auction it on with the cig stink disclosure. So I say yeah you're gonna take a big haircut on that at auction (he didn't disagree), how about you give me a number that will be like what you would get net selling it on, I'll save you all that hassle. He rang the used car guy who was in the trailer eating his lunch and this guy said they would knock off the bullshit fees they load up the price with. I'm sure the Tru-coat was still gonna get charged though. I said yeah I wouldn't pay those anyway so maybe get realistic, so that is the best you can do? He says yeah that's what he says... OK thank you sir... These guys are clowns, not really willing to negotiate much. I guess they figure there are plenty of suckers coming around or they can just turf them off to the next outfit. Not that I am presently in the market for such a thing but it was kinda fun to have this stealer interaction and check out another GT. The guy I talked to was actually pretty nice, didn't bullshit me at all (that was his buddy), and had interest in older Benzes, just got divorced so he was feeling his oatios a bit. He had a really pretty cranberry/reddish-colored Jagyoowah XF coupé parked in back row there, caught my eye, he noticed me looking at it and said right quick it was already sold and he was getting something else I forget what. But it was a bro-bonding moment. https://www.mountpleasant.mercedesdealer.com/inventory/certified-used-2020-mercedes-benz-amg%c2%ae-gt-base-rwd-2d-convertible-wddyk7ha2la025750/ -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
