Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
Pulls from whatever the PnP had that carried the sort of clock. There have been some 116, a few slc, a bunch of 114/115. Not remembering which offered what clock, since I tried and failed, so moved on. I can't imagine that a 116 or 107 uses the right sort of clock at all. I think only the 76 115 300D's are the only ones I've seen the right quartz clocks in. But I've only seen three, and one was an obvious retrofit. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
Not sure where I sourced the clocks. Came PnP, but model escapes me. I gave it much more thought and finally remembered that the 12v tab was what did not fit in the proper place. Could be that I was not spinning the dial fast enough to get it to screw in all the way. I was in the middle of changing blinker fluid as I was installing the clock. On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Pulls from whatever the PnP had that carried the sort of clock. There have been some 116, a few slc, a bunch of 114/115. Not remembering which offered what clock, since I tried and failed, so moved on. I can't imagine that a 116 or 107 uses the right sort of clock at all. I think only the 76 115 300D's are the only ones I've seen the right quartz clocks in. But I've only seen three, and one was an obvious retrofit. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
That is because you are a mechanical God who can make a car out of spare microwave sheet metal. I am simple and can not figure out how to make that quartz fit the hole in Gump. It is a wonder I even procreated. Not really. The clock, of course, wouldn't be giving you any help! Seriously, it was a zero-brainer. Something must be fishy about the Gumpster if it doesn't just drop right in. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
Perhaps some photos of the board it should mount to, and the back of the clock would help? Seriously, it was a zero-brainer. Something must be fishy about the Gumpster if it doesn't just drop right in. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
The console is original and I found two of the quartz at PnP that no matter how I spun them would not line up with the holes for the post. Off by degrees. I sat them next to the spare mechanicals, and there were differences. Maybe I got the really odd quartz clocks out of non 115 cars On Dec 31, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: That is because you are a mechanical God who can make a car out of spare microwave sheet metal. I am simple and can not figure out how to make that quartz fit the hole in Gump. It is a wonder I even procreated. Not really. The clock, of course, wouldn't be giving you any help! Seriously, it was a zero-brainer. Something must be fishy about the Gumpster if it doesn't just drop right in. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
Standard board, but I sold the clocks on eBay to further my accumulation of old Benz junk. On Dec 31, 2006, at 7:12 PM, OK Don wrote: Perhaps some photos of the board it should mount to, and the back of the clock would help? Seriously, it was a zero-brainer. Something must be fishy about the Gumpster if it doesn't just drop right in. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
The console is original and I found two of the quartz at PnP that no matter how I spun them would not line up with the holes for the post. Off by degrees. I sat them next to the spare mechanicals, and there were differences. Maybe I got the really odd quartz clocks out of non 115 cars Well then, what did you get them out of? All the clocks I've had, five or so, have all been mix-n-match. I got a few tick-tocks before I finally scored enough quartzes to equip both cars with them, plus one spare. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks
Pulls from whatever the PnP had that carried the sort of clock. There have been some 116, a few slc, a bunch of 114/115. Not remembering which offered what clock, since I tried and failed, so moved on. Should I snag more quartz, I will look at the issue harder and figure out what I am doing wrong. Or just drive over to your home and see if you can point out what I am not doing right. On Jan 1, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: The console is original and I found two of the quartz at PnP that no matter how I spun them would not line up with the holes for the post. Off by degrees. I sat them next to the spare mechanicals, and there were differences. Maybe I got the really odd quartz clocks out of non 115 cars Well then, what did you get them out of? All the clocks I've had, five or so, have all been mix-n-match. I got a few tick-tocks before I finally scored enough quartzes to equip both cars with them, plus one spare. -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks`
Working on getting a working clock into my 115 and have come across two OE VDO clocks. My question is. One is a VDO Kienzle and the other is a VDO Quarz-Zeit. What is the difference between the two? Is one more of a mechanical (ticking) clock? Exactly. Other differences: the quartz clock is likely to still work, the mechanical one is not. The quartz one is a royal b**tard to open, the mechanical one opens easily. Also what would be an easy way to power them up for a test should I not have the car available to pop them into. Hook +12V to the spade lug hanging out the back, and ground to one of the mounting screws. Monitor for correct timekeeping. The quartz clock is unlike modern ones with a stepper motor in them, it's more akin to the old wall-powered synchronous motor clocks. Except in this case it's driven by AC sourced from a divided-down quartz oscillator. So it'll sound like a small motor quietly running. 'cause it is. Unless it doesn't. Then you don't want it. Unless you can get it open. Did I mention that's very difficult to do? You have to peel back the crimp on the front chromed bezel sufficiently far to get the bezel off, but not so far as to impede putting it back or screw it up cosmetically. I tried to install a quartz in Gump, but the pin out for posts was wrong. Que? Both of my 114/115's are now sporting quartz clocks, and didn't come that way. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks`
That is because you are a mechanical God who can make a car out of spare microwave sheet metal. I am simple and can not figure out how to make that quartz fit the hole in Gump. It is a wonder I even procreated. On Dec 30, 2006, at 8:27 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I tried to install a quartz in Gump, but the pin out for posts was wrong. Que? Both of my 114/115's are now sporting quartz clocks, and didn't come that way. -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks`
The Kienzle goes tick tick tick, gets slow in the cold, and regular time in the warmer months. Jim C does not repair them, but he does work on the quartz. I tried to install a quartz in Gump, but the pin out for posts was wrong. On Dec 28, 2006, at 5:06 PM, Eric Anderton wrote: Working on getting a working clock into my 115 and have come across two OE VDO clocks. My question is. One is a VDO Kienzle and the other is a VDO Quarz-Zeit. What is the difference between the two? Is one more of a mechanical (ticking) clock? Also what would be an easy way to power them up for a test should I not have the car available to pop them into. Thanks. Eric -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks`
Working on getting a working clock into my 115 and have come across two OE VDO clocks. My question is. One is a VDO Kienzle and the other is a VDO Quarz-Zeit. What is the difference between the two? Is one more of a mechanical (ticking) clock? Also what would be an easy way to power them up for a test should I not have the car available to pop them into. Thanks. Eric 85 300D 74 240D 74 240D (parts car)
Re: [MBZ] 115 Dash Clocks`
The original is a mechanical clock -- it is wound by a solenoid that flips a weight up, and when working will periodically click once. The Quartz clock is most likely an electric clock with quartz oscillator control. The most usual problems with the mechanical clocks are a blown fuse (low melting point solder bridge on the back) and gunky or work internals -- if just the fuse is blown, resolder with very low MP solder and it should work -- applying voltage should cause it to click once and you should see the weight pop around. Otherwise, it's a mechanical clock, cleaning, etc should fix it. They usually run slow when needing mechanical work, although if the latch pallet is bad they may clatter if the winding weight won't stay up. The usual failure of the quartz clocks is a bad capacitor or two on the back. Peter
