Re: [MBZ] 240D purge

2021-01-24 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes
It’s definitely not coolant/antifreeze I have the nose for that. 

Donald H. Snook


> On Jan 24, 2021, at 6:25 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> A little hard to start and white smoke could be a glow plug.  Or leaky 
> valves.
> Anything that keeps the temperatures in one or more cylinders down below
> ignition temperature when the fuel is squirted in.  Clouds of unburned 
> vaporized
> fuel are white-ish, and smell like diesel.  White smoke that smells like 
> burned
> antifreeze is, well, burned antifreeze.
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 240D purge

2021-01-24 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
A little hard to start and white smoke could be a glow plug.  Or leaky valves.
Anything that keeps the temperatures in one or more cylinders down below
ignition temperature when the fuel is squirted in.  Clouds of unburned vaporized
fuel are white-ish, and smell like diesel.  White smoke that smells like burned
antifreeze is, well, burned antifreeze.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240D purge

2021-01-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The gauge sender is often glommed up after years of crud in the tank. It’s an 
easy fix that I’ve written up several times. You can do this with a pair of big 
channelocks, you don’t have to have a 36mm socket.

Here’s the archive of it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20020311143203/http://www.mbz.org/info/articles/fuel_system/fuelsender.html

Ful text:

Tools Needed:
36mm Socket

8mm socket or wrench to remove seat back bolts Lots of clean shop towels or 
rags.

Plenty of room around car for seat bottom and back to clear doors while 
removing. Fuel tank as low as you dare to go with it.

Procedure:

1.) On a 126 and some 123 chassis cars: Remove rear seat bottom by releasing 2 
red clips on forward bottom edge of seat frame. Pull to one side on the clips 
while lifting up - you'll feel the seat frame come up as soon as they release. 
Lift up on the forward part of the seat bottom and pull towards the front of 
the car. Carefully remove seat bottom from car. On most 123 chassis cars the 
sender can be accessed through the first aid kit box on the parcel shelf. Check 
your car before yanking anything out!

2.) In the center of the seat back below the armrest is an 8mm screw. Remove 
it. On either side at the lower corners of the seat back are metal brackets 
with 8mm screws in them. Remove these as well. Climb into the center of the 
back seat area and lift the seat back straight up. There's a metal lip on the 
back of the seat that hooks on two "ridges" just below the parcel shelf. Lift 
the seat back off of these and carefully set it down in the back of the car. 
CAUTION: Use two people for the next step!!

3.) With another person's help lift the seat back and remove it from the car. 
Why two people? Because if you try to do this yourself the seatback is too 
heavy. You'll end up dragging one of the corner brackets across the top of the 
wheel well or somewhere else around the door area. I have the scars to show for 
it. Now is a good time to apply some Leatherique to the seat back and bottom 
while you have the whole thing out.

4.) After wading through the spare change, candy, Cheetos, etc, you'll find 
some black insulating/sound deadening material draped down the back of the 
seating area. On the left rear (driver's side) there will be a cut-out just 
below the parcel shelf. Carefully pull this portion back. underneath is a large 
(3"-4") diameter plastic plug. Pry it out of the opening it seals.

5.) You are now looking at the top of the guage sender. Carefully remove the 
electrical connector and move it out of the way. Place your socket on top of 
the sender and turn it counterclockwise. Once unscrewed all the way, get ready 
with some shop rags/towels.

6.) Carefully and SLOWLY lift the sender assembly out of the hole. As you lift, 
fuel will be draining out of the cylinder. There are two holes in the side, one 
near the top, another near the bottom, with still a third in the base. Look 
down into the tank as you get close to the bottom of the sender or listen 
carefully to tell when the fuel has stopped draining from the sender. Have some 
towels or rags ready, as when you remove the sender from teh tank there will 
still be fuel dripping from it. Be patient! Too many of us have pulled the 
sender out prematurely and gotten baptized with #2 diesel. Yuck! Take the 
sender to a clean work area where you can disassemble it and lay the parts out.

7.) Start by wiping the outside of the sender with a clean towel. You'll be 
amazed at the nasty black stuff all over. get used to it -you're going to see 
more . . . On the bottom of the cylinder is a small round "nut". Carefully 
unscrew this with a pair of pliers and put it aside. Gently twist on the bottom 
of the sender and it will start to come apart. Be prepared for more fuel! 
Here's what you will find:

A.) Flat metal disc that covers the bottom of the plastic plate and acts as the 
"floor" for the maze.

B.) Plastic disc that is the closure plate for the bottom. Lots of convoluted 
grooves in it, like a little maze. Make sure these are cleaned out, as they act 
as a damper for fuel to flow in and out of the sender cylinder.

C.) Outer tube of the sender. Two small holes in the side, both should be open 
and unclogged. These allow fuel to flow in and out of the sender so the float 
will register properly. The inside will be messy as well. Clean it. I pass 
paper towels (or better yet, a non-fuzzy shop rag) through it.

D.) Sender float and guide rod/wires. Here's where the fun begins

8.) Clean all the individual pieces, saving the float/guide rod assembly for 
last. You can use any number of solvents for this, just use them in accordance 
with proper safety practices. My cleaner of choice is an electrical contact 
cleaner.

9.) Take the float/guide rod assembly and carefully clean it, using a cotton 
swab or something appropriate. Handle it carefully, as the fine copper wires on 
the sides are very important as you will discover! On the bottom is a 

Re: [MBZ] 240D purge

2021-01-24 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Hard starting could be some tight valves.

White/blue smoke is unburned fuel, could be some injectors are still
dirty dispite the purge. Drive it for a few weeks with some more Italian
tuneups, Techron additive in the fuel. Check the air filter and intake
for any mouse nests or general filth etc.

Check throttle linkage for missing bushings and other looseness.

If the tank gauge is working normally otherwise, the reserve light could
maybe be a bad ground? The reserve light is always dimly on in my 300SD,
and I have not sorted out why.

Allan


Donald Snook via Mercedes  writes:

> I did a diesel purge with the kit from Kent (Mercedes Source). It worked very 
> well. I thought. At first, it was spewing out a lot of white smoke. About 
> halfway through it smoothed out and had no smoke. None. 
>
> I took it on a drive. It is still a little slow. I’m thinking valves are out 
> of adjustment or the linkage is too loose. 
>
> When I got back I parked it in front of my house and moved my truck. When I 
> went back to start the car, it was a little hard to start despite being warm 
> after drive on highway. It is 50 degrees here. So, it’s not exactly cold.  
> When it started it blew out LOTS of whitish smoke. I mean lots!  I have not 
> changed fuel filter yet.  
>
> The reserve light was on when I got from Kaleb even though it had 1/2 tank.  
> It went out when I filled it up. But, it came on again with 3/4 tank.  I 
> drove another 100 miles and the light was on with half tank.  So, I guess the 
> sender is all
> Gummed up. Could that also mean the sock in the tank is all clogged up? How 
> do you get that out without dropping the tank? 
>
> Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] 240D purge

2021-01-24 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes
I did a diesel purge with the kit from Kent (Mercedes Source). It worked very 
well. I thought. At first, it was spewing out a lot of white smoke. About 
halfway through it smoothed out and had no smoke. None. 

I took it on a drive. It is still a little slow. I’m thinking valves are out of 
adjustment or the linkage is too loose. 

When I got back I parked it in front of my house and moved my truck. When I 
went back to start the car, it was a little hard to start despite being warm 
after drive on highway. It is 50 degrees here. So, it’s not exactly cold.  When 
it started it blew out LOTS of whitish smoke. I mean lots!  I have not changed 
fuel filter yet.  

The reserve light was on when I got from Kaleb even though it had 1/2 tank.  It 
went out when I filled it up. But, it came on again with 3/4 tank.  I drove 
another 100 miles and the light was on with half tank.  So, I guess the sender 
is all
Gummed up. Could that also mean the sock in the tank is all clogged up? How do 
you get that out without dropping the tank? 

Donald H. Snook


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