Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Brian Toscano]

Head light switches, Brake switches, general engine fires, gas tanks, ...

"Ford sells automobiles not safety." - McNamara when questioned about seat
belts



On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Well, the headlight switch didn't cause this one.
>
> Mike
> On May 8, 2013 1:35 AM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:
>
> > After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to
> the
> > ground.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Canfield  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, "clay"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ford town car
> > > >
> > > > clay
> > > >
> > > > On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the
> > back
> > > > end? Chrysler?
> > > > > Gerry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Peter Hertzing]

Actually the livery vehicles were recalled in the same manor 

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On May 8, 2013, at 12:03 PM, "Greg Fiorentino"  wrote:

> To be fair the primary fire hazard on the Panther platform (Town Car, Crown
> Vic, Marquis) has been the position of the gas tank and the rear suspension
> bolts that could pierce the tank in a rear-end collision.  Law enforcement
> vehicles were recalled to modify these parts to decrease the risk.
> 
> I did a lot of research on this before I bought a couple of low mileage 90s
> Crown Vics.  The stats on these fires came mostly from vehicles used by LEOs
> in highway stops.  Vehicles used in this way (stopped on the side of a road
> with fast traffic) many times a day are more prone to being rear-ended at
> high speed.  The bottom line for me was the statistics of serious injury
> kept by the insurance companies.  These show the Crown Vic to be one of the
> safest cars on the road.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian
> Toscano
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 10:35 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo
> 
> After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to the
> ground.
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
> 
>> Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.
>> 
>> Mike
>> On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, "clay"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ford town car
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the 
>>>> back
>>> end? Chrysler?
>>>> Gerry
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319768/Five-dead-limousine-bu
>> rsts-flames-San-Francisco-highway.html
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[WILTON]

'Reminds me:  In Greenland, when I first got there in Feb '78, the idle on 
My '77 Ford crew-cab pickup was set way too high.  I always hold brake when 
pulling a vehicle into gear, but this idle speed was so high, that whenever 
I pulled it in gear, there be a nearly violent JERK, and when stopped with 
vehicle in gear, I had to hold brake excessively hard to keep vehicle from 
moving on aggressively.  I pulled into the Danish contractor-operated garage 
one day and asked a mechanic to set the idle down a bit.  He replied, "I 
can't do that; it's set IAW factory specs, and I'm not allowed to set it 
outside the specs."  I told him that I couldn't believe the specs would have 
it set so high that it jerks so when I put it in gear.  He refused to do 
anything about it; I left garage, drove straight to my room, got a common 
screwdriver, and, as I was in my parking space outside my quarters with hood 
up and turning idle downward a bit, he pulled up beside me.  I told 'im, 
"It'll take me only a few seconds and I'll have it set to a more reasonable 
level."  I finished, closed hood, threw my screwdriver up in front seat 
beside me and went on my way.  Truck was still running fine with my lower, 
more reasonable idle setting when I left nearly a year later.


There is no substitute for common sense in ANY endeavor.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo


The only issue of that nature that I recall in recent years related to the 
cruise control on F150 trucks.
'I bought 2 of the repair harness parts and installed them  myself as it 
was relatively cheap and much faster to do it myself.
The dealer wanted me to book an appointment so they could cut the harness 
( I just unplugged it ) and advised I would need a second appointment to 
have it repaired as they had to wait for parts to do it under warranty, 
although
they had the parts on the shelf in the parts department if I just wanted 
to pay for them myself. Something like $26 if I recall correctly. I just 
bought them and put them on. No problems since.


Randy

On 08/05/2013 7:57 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Well, the headlight switch didn't cause this one.

Mike
On May 8, 2013 1:35 AM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:

After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to 
the

ground.







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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Greg Fiorentino]

To be fair the primary fire hazard on the Panther platform (Town Car, Crown
Vic, Marquis) has been the position of the gas tank and the rear suspension
bolts that could pierce the tank in a rear-end collision.  Law enforcement
vehicles were recalled to modify these parts to decrease the risk.

I did a lot of research on this before I bought a couple of low mileage 90s
Crown Vics.  The stats on these fires came mostly from vehicles used by LEOs
in highway stops.  Vehicles used in this way (stopped on the side of a road
with fast traffic) many times a day are more prone to being rear-ended at
high speed.  The bottom line for me was the statistics of serious injury
kept by the insurance companies.  These show the Crown Vic to be one of the
safest cars on the road.

Greg

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Toscano
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 10:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to the
ground.


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.
>
> Mike
> On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, "clay"  wrote:
>
> > Ford town car
> >
> > clay
> >
> > On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the 
> > > back
> > end? Chrysler?
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319768/Five-dead-limousine-bu
> rsts-flames-San-Francisco-highway.html
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Randy Bennell]

No, sadly, I wonder what those girls were doing in the back of that limo?
I suspect they likely caused the fire.

Randy


On 08/05/2013 11:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Randy, do you see potential here for major lawsuits?

On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


Has there been any indication of what might have caused the fire?

I am guessing it started in the passenger compartment where th ladies were
or they would have been able to get out before it caused them much trouble.

Does Ford make the Limo or is it farmed out to some aftermarket outfit? If
so, it might be a bit much to lay the blame on Ford.

Randy

On 08/05/2013 10:51 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:


That limo was a 99 so who knows what state of repair it was in. Some
independent player buys some old limo, goes into bidness on the cheap...

--R




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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Dan Penoff]

There is a livery (LWB) version of the Town Car which is made by Ford (Lincoln) 
but anything stretched is done by aftermarket coach builders.

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> Several (many) aftermarket fab shops make limos.
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Dieselhead]

Has there been any indication of what might have caused the fire?

I am guessing it started in the passenger compartment where th 
ladies were or they would have been able to get out before it caused 
them much trouble.


Does Ford make the Limo or is it farmed out to some aftermarket 
outfit? If so, it might be a bit much to lay the blame on Ford.


Randy

On 08/05/2013 10:51 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
That limo was a 99 so who knows what state of repair it was in. 
Some independent player buys some old limo, goes into bidness on 
the cheap...


--R



Several (many) aftermarket fab shops make limos.

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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Randy, do you see potential here for major lawsuits?

On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

>
> Has there been any indication of what might have caused the fire?
>
> I am guessing it started in the passenger compartment where th ladies were
> or they would have been able to get out before it caused them much trouble.
>
> Does Ford make the Limo or is it farmed out to some aftermarket outfit? If
> so, it might be a bit much to lay the blame on Ford.
>
> Randy
>
> On 08/05/2013 10:51 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> That limo was a 99 so who knows what state of repair it was in. Some
>> independent player buys some old limo, goes into bidness on the cheap...
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Randy Bennell]

Has there been any indication of what might have caused the fire?

I am guessing it started in the passenger compartment where th ladies 
were or they would have been able to get out before it caused them much 
trouble.


Does Ford make the Limo or is it farmed out to some aftermarket outfit? 
If so, it might be a bit much to lay the blame on Ford.


Randy

On 08/05/2013 10:51 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
That limo was a 99 so who knows what state of repair it was in. Some 
independent player buys some old limo, goes into bidness on the cheap...


--R





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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Rich Thomas]

That limo was a 99 so who knows what state of repair it was in. Some 
independent player buys some old limo, goes into bidness on the cheap...


--R


On 5/8/13 11:34 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
The only issue of that nature that I recall in recent years related to 
the cruise control on F150 trucks.
'I bought 2 of the repair harness parts and installed them  myself as 
it was relatively cheap and much faster to do it myself.
The dealer wanted me to book an appointment so they could cut the 
harness ( I just unplugged it ) and advised I would need a second 
appointment to have it repaired as they had to wait for parts to do it 
under warranty, although
they had the parts on the shelf in the parts department if I just 
wanted to pay for them myself. Something like $26 if I recall 
correctly. I just bought them and put them on. No problems since.


Randy

On 08/05/2013 7:57 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Well, the headlight switch didn't cause this one.

Mike
On May 8, 2013 1:35 AM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:

After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn 
to the

ground.







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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Randy Bennell]

The only issue of that nature that I recall in recent years related to 
the cruise control on F150 trucks.
'I bought 2 of the repair harness parts and installed them  myself as it 
was relatively cheap and much faster to do it myself.
The dealer wanted me to book an appointment so they could cut the 
harness ( I just unplugged it ) and advised I would need a second 
appointment to have it repaired as they had to wait for parts to do it 
under warranty, although
they had the parts on the shelf in the parts department if I just wanted 
to pay for them myself. Something like $26 if I recall correctly. I just 
bought them and put them on. No problems since.


Randy

On 08/05/2013 7:57 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

Well, the headlight switch didn't cause this one.

Mike
On May 8, 2013 1:35 AM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:


After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to the
ground.







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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Michael Canfield]

Well, the headlight switch didn't cause this one.

Mike
On May 8, 2013 1:35 AM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:

> After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to the
> ground.
>
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Canfield  >wrote:
>
> > Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.
> >
> > Mike
> > On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, "clay"  wrote:
> >
> > > Ford town car
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
> > > On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the
> back
> > > end? Chrysler?
> > > > Gerry
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Brian Toscano]

After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to the
ground.


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.
>
> Mike
> On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, "clay"  wrote:
>
> > Ford town car
> >
> > clay
> >
> > On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the back
> > end? Chrysler?
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319768/Five-dead-limousine-bursts-flames-San-Francisco-highway.html
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Michael Canfield]

Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.

Mike
On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, "clay"  wrote:

> Ford town car
>
> clay
>
> On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>
> > Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the back
> end? Chrysler?
> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[clay]

Ford town car

clay

On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the back end? 
> Chrysler?
> Gerry
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319768/Five-dead-limousine-bursts-flames-San-Francisco-highway.html
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[MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Gerry Archer]

Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the back end? 
Chrysler?

Gerry

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319768/Five-dead-limousine-bursts-flames-San-Francisco-highway.html 



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