Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
I can agree... I installed a good used strut to replace the spring in my 250S once upon a time (actually May 27, 2002): http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_05_27_250S_Rear_Suspension/pages/IMG_2617.htm Along with new shocks and bushings, it was a different car. Man, I really miss that car. Jaime On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:02 PM, LarryT wrote: > My W108 had the Hydaulic Compensating Strut next to the rear axle. When it > died the rear end sagged. I found a spring kit in Fla somewhere - got a > spring and a bracket that bolted to the chassis. It immediately solved the > sagging but the ride was not nearly as smooth & comfortable as with the > hydr. strut. > > > LarryT > 91 300D 2.5 > 78 240D (now with son) > 69 280S (our 1st MB - RIP) > 73 280SE 4.5 (awesome road cruiser) > 75 450SL (the pig) - sorry W107 fans > 78 280SE Sold > 91 300D 2.5 (my favorite, well maybe that 4.5 was great except for the > mpg's.) > > > OilAnalysis Time? > Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? > www.youroil.net > > > > -- > > From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310" < > meade.m.dil...@navy.mil> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:47 AM > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? > > How about buying the $1700 hydraulic/pneumatic compensator, then >> drill/tap to add a charging nipple on the gas side, and replenish >> nitrogen as required? Expensive, but will get you closer to original. >> >> Seems like David really wants to try a different pair of shocks, which >> will be much cheaper than $1700. I'd recommend you go to a good >> suspension shop and get their opinion on a different solution for >> shocks. I seem to remember a fellow that converted a wagon to >> spring/shocks who had a custom set of shocks made (Monroe?) which >> resulted in no rear end sag with normal load (but of coarse reduced ride >> quality). Maybe you can find a place that will sell you what you want >> so you can try that. >> >> -Max >> >> -Original Message- >> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com >> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:16 AM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? >> >> dude, butchering the car with the spring damages the ride. people seem >> to complain about this a lot more the 8s than with 6s. this damage is >> done and the only real question is whether or not the consequences are >> acceptable to you or not. to my knowledge, no one has yet formulated a >> solution. >> >> i agree with you about spending that kind of mine on a compensator that >> might be largely spent to begin with is not a very happy plan. i >> couldn't see myself going for it. >> >> i am still contending, however, that if you did find softer shocks, >> they still will not be satisfactory to you. so far, all of the people i >> have spoken to with the experience and expertise to formulate a solution >> have been in agreement with me on this. >> >> i'd like to see a solution to this problem as i am a fan of these cars. >> i will keep looking and maybe i will get lucky and come across something >> worthwhile. as of right now, though, there is nothing i know of or >> anyone else here has been able to say that offers much optimism. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:58 AM, David Bruckmann < >> bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: >> >> Some points apparently require additional clarification: >>> >>> -6cyl / 8cyl: it doesn't matter, they can all be converted to a >>> spring. The hydropneumatic compensator has a variable spring rate >>> because of the nitrogen gas, but its purpose was mostly levelling, not >>> >> >> damping. The variable spring rate is not that different from a steel >>> spring, witness the rear suspension on a TD (different devices but the >>> >> same gas doing the work). >> >>> >>> -the compensator is still available from MB for about $1700. I >>> verified this directly with the Classic Centre. They cannot, however, >>> identify the production date of the part. Since at its core it is a >>> nitrogen-filled bladder with some hydraulic fluid, it has a lifespan >>> of 5 years before enough gas has escaped to begin compromising its >>> function. That gas escapes whether or not the device is in use. I >>> don&
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
My W108 had the Hydaulic Compensating Strut next to the rear axle. When it died the rear end sagged. I found a spring kit in Fla somewhere - got a spring and a bracket that bolted to the chassis. It immediately solved the sagging but the ride was not nearly as smooth & comfortable as with the hydr. strut. LarryT 91 300D 2.5 78 240D (now with son) 69 280S (our 1st MB - RIP) 73 280SE 4.5 (awesome road cruiser) 75 450SL (the pig) - sorry W107 fans 78 280SE Sold 91 300D 2.5 (my favorite, well maybe that 4.5 was great except for the mpg's.) OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310" Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:47 AM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? How about buying the $1700 hydraulic/pneumatic compensator, then drill/tap to add a charging nipple on the gas side, and replenish nitrogen as required? Expensive, but will get you closer to original. Seems like David really wants to try a different pair of shocks, which will be much cheaper than $1700. I'd recommend you go to a good suspension shop and get their opinion on a different solution for shocks. I seem to remember a fellow that converted a wagon to spring/shocks who had a custom set of shocks made (Monroe?) which resulted in no rear end sag with normal load (but of coarse reduced ride quality). Maybe you can find a place that will sell you what you want so you can try that. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? dude, butchering the car with the spring damages the ride. people seem to complain about this a lot more the 8s than with 6s. this damage is done and the only real question is whether or not the consequences are acceptable to you or not. to my knowledge, no one has yet formulated a solution. i agree with you about spending that kind of mine on a compensator that might be largely spent to begin with is not a very happy plan. i couldn't see myself going for it. i am still contending, however, that if you did find softer shocks, they still will not be satisfactory to you. so far, all of the people i have spoken to with the experience and expertise to formulate a solution have been in agreement with me on this. i'd like to see a solution to this problem as i am a fan of these cars. i will keep looking and maybe i will get lucky and come across something worthwhile. as of right now, though, there is nothing i know of or anyone else here has been able to say that offers much optimism. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:58 AM, David Bruckmann < bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: Some points apparently require additional clarification: -6cyl / 8cyl: it doesn't matter, they can all be converted to a spring. The hydropneumatic compensator has a variable spring rate because of the nitrogen gas, but its purpose was mostly levelling, not damping. The variable spring rate is not that different from a steel spring, witness the rear suspension on a TD (different devices but the same gas doing the work). -the compensator is still available from MB for about $1700. I verified this directly with the Classic Centre. They cannot, however, identify the production date of the part. Since at its core it is a nitrogen-filled bladder with some hydraulic fluid, it has a lifespan of 5 years before enough gas has escaped to begin compromising its function. That gas escapes whether or not the device is in use. I don't feel like handing over nearly $2k for something that might have been sitting on a shelf for ten years losing its gas charge. -the spring included in the conversion kit (which I bought from Rusty, but it is the same Febi kit sold everywhere) is too firm for the application (the EPC lists the included spring as being for increased ground clearance/HD). This is confirmed by checking the Febi numbers against the EPC. -the proper compensating spring, which I got from MB, is MUCH lighter gauge steel. The ride improved a bit with the softer spring, but no major change. -the only shocks available from Bilstein and from MB are HD. This is confirmed in the EPC, which shows the OE shocks being superceded to HD. I have bought and installed a new set (from Rusty) and they are in the car, and they suck. -the car is measured to be at the correct height. The springs are OK. If MB or Bilstein or Sachs still sold the original comfort shocks, I would not feel compelled to find an alternative. The point is to achieve a suspension behaviour that is closer to the original; one that is comfortable and well controlled, without being harsh and unyielding. D. At
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
How about buying the $1700 hydraulic/pneumatic compensator, then drill/tap to add a charging nipple on the gas side, and replenish nitrogen as required? Expensive, but will get you closer to original. Seems like David really wants to try a different pair of shocks, which will be much cheaper than $1700. I'd recommend you go to a good suspension shop and get their opinion on a different solution for shocks. I seem to remember a fellow that converted a wagon to spring/shocks who had a custom set of shocks made (Monroe?) which resulted in no rear end sag with normal load (but of coarse reduced ride quality). Maybe you can find a place that will sell you what you want so you can try that. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? dude, butchering the car with the spring damages the ride. people seem to complain about this a lot more the 8s than with 6s. this damage is done and the only real question is whether or not the consequences are acceptable to you or not. to my knowledge, no one has yet formulated a solution. i agree with you about spending that kind of mine on a compensator that might be largely spent to begin with is not a very happy plan. i couldn't see myself going for it. i am still contending, however, that if you did find softer shocks, they still will not be satisfactory to you. so far, all of the people i have spoken to with the experience and expertise to formulate a solution have been in agreement with me on this. i'd like to see a solution to this problem as i am a fan of these cars. i will keep looking and maybe i will get lucky and come across something worthwhile. as of right now, though, there is nothing i know of or anyone else here has been able to say that offers much optimism. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:58 AM, David Bruckmann < bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > Some points apparently require additional clarification: > > -6cyl / 8cyl: it doesn't matter, they can all be converted to a > spring. The hydropneumatic compensator has a variable spring rate > because of the nitrogen gas, but its purpose was mostly levelling, not > damping. The variable spring rate is not that different from a steel > spring, witness the rear suspension on a TD (different devices but the same gas doing the work). > > -the compensator is still available from MB for about $1700. I > verified this directly with the Classic Centre. They cannot, however, > identify the production date of the part. Since at its core it is a > nitrogen-filled bladder with some hydraulic fluid, it has a lifespan > of 5 years before enough gas has escaped to begin compromising its > function. That gas escapes whether or not the device is in use. I > don't feel like handing over nearly $2k for something that might have > been sitting on a shelf for ten years losing its gas charge. > > -the spring included in the conversion kit (which I bought from Rusty, > but it is the same Febi kit sold everywhere) is too firm for the > application (the EPC lists the included spring as being for increased > ground clearance/HD). This is confirmed by checking the Febi numbers > against the EPC. > > -the proper compensating spring, which I got from MB, is MUCH lighter > gauge steel. The ride improved a bit with the softer spring, but no major change. > > -the only shocks available from Bilstein and from MB are HD. This is > confirmed in the EPC, which shows the OE shocks being superceded to > HD. I have bought and installed a new set (from Rusty) and they are in > the car, and they suck. > > -the car is measured to be at the correct height. The springs are OK. > > If MB or Bilstein or Sachs still sold the original comfort shocks, I > would not feel compelled to find an alternative. The point is to > achieve a suspension behaviour that is closer to the original; one > that is comfortable and well controlled, without being harsh and unyielding. > > D. > > > At 11:39 PM + 1/26/10, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: > >Message: 9 > >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:40:12 -0500 > >From: Gary Hurst > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? > >Message-ID: > > <8b0e7cce1001261440k13b6e498jce3f3ccedee72...@mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >he has an eight cylinder. he is doomed for spring. > > > >On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Rusty Cullens > wrote: > > > >> I sell a conversion spring kit for $475.00 which works well, I have > >> one > in > >> my 1969
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
As to the replacement interval, the MB service documentation reads: "The gas filling pressure decreases during operation, the time factor is evaluated higher than the mileage. Under normal conditions, the minimum pressure is attained after approx. 2 to 3 years or 80 000 to 120 000 km. Under extreme climatic conditions or in countries with very high outside temperatures, the gas pressure may decrease faster under given operating conditions, e.g. repeated slow bumper to bumper driving." Citroen spheres (and I have had a few) should be checked annually for pressure, and I have never seen a sphere last more than five years without needing a recharge. Yes, you can run them for ten years until they are rock hard and pulverise your bushings and piston seals, and many people do so. Same for the self-levelling spheres on an MB. They seep gas over time, but it's not usually until they are very hard that people replace them. Far too often I've seen a TD or SEL/SEC with SLS go bouncing past me, bouncing like a lowered (or even stock, for that matter!) Honda Civic. People simply don't understand the damage they are doing by deferring replacement of the spheres. Furthermore, many mechanics have no understanding of how the MB system works either. They talk people into replacing the struts and spheres and everything else when the problem is usually just the spheres, and often the static pressure valve on the levelling controller, for which MB sells a convenient rebuild kit. A saggy TD needs the valve rebuilt. A bouncy TD needs spheres, and probably the valve rebuild because the static and overpressure valves take a beating from the failed spheres. D. Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >That sounds kind of fishy. If that were so, wouldn't the bladder lose >its nitrogen and need to be replaced every five years on the car as >well? And wouldn't the same be true of the nitrogen spheres on the >Hydramat cars, as well as on Citroens? Those don't need to be >replaced on any set schedule, just when they spring a leak. > >Alex > > -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (200,000km) 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel" 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (208,000km) "Lottie" 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) "Piaf" http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (424,000 km) "Brown Betty" Shady Past: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin" 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) "Diva" 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud" 1985 Toyota Camry "The Slamry" (330,000km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM, David Bruckmann wrote: > -the compensator is still available from MB for about $1700. I verified this > directly with the Classic Centre. They cannot, however, identify the > production date of the part. Since at its core it is a nitrogen-filled > bladder with some hydraulic fluid, it has a lifespan of 5 years before enough > gas has escaped to begin compromising its function. That gas escapes whether > or not the device is in use. I don't feel like handing over nearly $2k for > something that might have been sitting on a shelf for ten years losing its > gas charge. > That sounds kind of fishy. If that were so, wouldn't the bladder lose its nitrogen and need to be replaced every five years on the car as well? And wouldn't the same be true of the nitrogen spheres on the Hydramat cars, as well as on Citroens? Those don't need to be replaced on any set schedule, just when they spring a leak. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
dude, butchering the car with the spring damages the ride. people seem to complain about this a lot more the 8s than with 6s. this damage is done and the only real question is whether or not the consequences are acceptable to you or not. to my knowledge, no one has yet formulated a solution. i agree with you about spending that kind of mine on a compensator that might be largely spent to begin with is not a very happy plan. i couldn't see myself going for it. i am still contending, however, that if you did find softer shocks, they still will not be satisfactory to you. so far, all of the people i have spoken to with the experience and expertise to formulate a solution have been in agreement with me on this. i'd like to see a solution to this problem as i am a fan of these cars. i will keep looking and maybe i will get lucky and come across something worthwhile. as of right now, though, there is nothing i know of or anyone else here has been able to say that offers much optimism. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:58 AM, David Bruckmann < bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > Some points apparently require additional clarification: > > -6cyl / 8cyl: it doesn't matter, they can all be converted to a spring. The > hydropneumatic compensator has a variable spring rate because of the > nitrogen gas, but its purpose was mostly levelling, not damping. The > variable spring rate is not that different from a steel spring, witness the > rear suspension on a TD (different devices but the same gas doing the work). > > -the compensator is still available from MB for about $1700. I verified > this directly with the Classic Centre. They cannot, however, identify the > production date of the part. Since at its core it is a nitrogen-filled > bladder with some hydraulic fluid, it has a lifespan of 5 years before > enough gas has escaped to begin compromising its function. That gas escapes > whether or not the device is in use. I don't feel like handing over nearly > $2k for something that might have been sitting on a shelf for ten years > losing its gas charge. > > -the spring included in the conversion kit (which I bought from Rusty, but > it is the same Febi kit sold everywhere) is too firm for the application > (the EPC lists the included spring as being for increased ground > clearance/HD). This is confirmed by checking the Febi numbers against the > EPC. > > -the proper compensating spring, which I got from MB, is MUCH lighter gauge > steel. The ride improved a bit with the softer spring, but no major change. > > -the only shocks available from Bilstein and from MB are HD. This is > confirmed in the EPC, which shows the OE shocks being superceded to HD. I > have bought and installed a new set (from Rusty) and they are in the car, > and they suck. > > -the car is measured to be at the correct height. The springs are OK. > > If MB or Bilstein or Sachs still sold the original comfort shocks, I would > not feel compelled to find an alternative. The point is to achieve a > suspension behaviour that is closer to the original; one that is comfortable > and well controlled, without being harsh and unyielding. > > D. > > > At 11:39 PM + 1/26/10, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: > >Message: 9 > >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:40:12 -0500 > >From: Gary Hurst > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? > >Message-ID: > > <8b0e7cce1001261440k13b6e498jce3f3ccedee72...@mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >he has an eight cylinder. he is doomed for spring. > > > >On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Rusty Cullens > wrote: > > > >> I sell a conversion spring kit for $475.00 which works well, I have one > in > >> my 1969 280SEL. > >> > >> > >> Rusty Cullens > >> BuyMBparts, Inc. > >> www.buyMBparts.biz > >> Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 > >> Fax/ 770-454-9745 > >> ICQ 427542441 > >> AIM BuyMBparts > >> > >> - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" > >> > >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:12 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? > >> > >> > >> i called a benz dealer and they seem to be NLA from mercedes. you will > >>> have > >>> to do some legwork or just give up and sell the car > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Gary Hurst > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> you can sit and adjust konis till the end of time and it will not help > as > >>>> s
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
Some points apparently require additional clarification: -6cyl / 8cyl: it doesn't matter, they can all be converted to a spring. The hydropneumatic compensator has a variable spring rate because of the nitrogen gas, but its purpose was mostly levelling, not damping. The variable spring rate is not that different from a steel spring, witness the rear suspension on a TD (different devices but the same gas doing the work). -the compensator is still available from MB for about $1700. I verified this directly with the Classic Centre. They cannot, however, identify the production date of the part. Since at its core it is a nitrogen-filled bladder with some hydraulic fluid, it has a lifespan of 5 years before enough gas has escaped to begin compromising its function. That gas escapes whether or not the device is in use. I don't feel like handing over nearly $2k for something that might have been sitting on a shelf for ten years losing its gas charge. -the spring included in the conversion kit (which I bought from Rusty, but it is the same Febi kit sold everywhere) is too firm for the application (the EPC lists the included spring as being for increased ground clearance/HD). This is confirmed by checking the Febi numbers against the EPC. -the proper compensating spring, which I got from MB, is MUCH lighter gauge steel. The ride improved a bit with the softer spring, but no major change. -the only shocks available from Bilstein and from MB are HD. This is confirmed in the EPC, which shows the OE shocks being superceded to HD. I have bought and installed a new set (from Rusty) and they are in the car, and they suck. -the car is measured to be at the correct height. The springs are OK. If MB or Bilstein or Sachs still sold the original comfort shocks, I would not feel compelled to find an alternative. The point is to achieve a suspension behaviour that is closer to the original; one that is comfortable and well controlled, without being harsh and unyielding. D. At 11:39 PM + 1/26/10, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:40:12 -0500 >From: Gary Hurst >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? >Message-ID: > <8b0e7cce1001261440k13b6e498jce3f3ccedee72...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >he has an eight cylinder. he is doomed for spring. > >On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: > >> I sell a conversion spring kit for $475.00 which works well, I have one in >> my 1969 280SEL. >> >> >> Rusty Cullens >> BuyMBparts, Inc. >> www.buyMBparts.biz >> Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 >> Fax/ 770-454-9745 >> ICQ 427542441 >> AIM BuyMBparts >> >> - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" >> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:12 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? >> >> >> i called a benz dealer and they seem to be NLA from mercedes. you will >>> have >>> to do some legwork or just give up and sell the car >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Gary Hurst >>> wrote: >>> >>> you can sit and adjust konis till the end of time and it will not help as >>>> shocks are not the issue. it's that you got rid of the compensator. that >>>> killed the ride. you need to put the compensator back on or sell the >>>> car. >>>> >>>> generally it's not a great idea to butcher these cars, but people do it >>>> anyway everyday. >>>> >>>> last i checked on those they were hellaciously expensive new. i don't >>>> buy >>>> from a benz dealer, so i wouldn't be able to source you one at a value >>>> price, but rusty does so he can easily get you one if they are still >>>> available. or maybe just start looking for a good used cheap one. >>>> >>>> i wish i had better news for you >>>> >>>> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
yeah, i'm only incredibly mobidly small time circus obese and no longer ringling brothers fat man obese On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > R A Bennell wrote: > >> Gee, did Gary lose weight? >> >> > Seems like the tea thread on the other list started with Gary mentioning > that he'd seen 400lb for the first time in years. Don't eat ice cream, drink > good black tea instead. > > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
he has an eight cylinder. he is doomed for spring. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote: > I sell a conversion spring kit for $475.00 which works well, I have one in > my 1969 280SEL. > > > Rusty Cullens > BuyMBparts, Inc. > www.buyMBparts.biz > Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 > Fax/ 770-454-9745 > ICQ 427542441 > AIM BuyMBparts > > - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? > > > i called a benz dealer and they seem to be NLA from mercedes. you will >> have >> to do some legwork or just give up and sell the car >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Gary Hurst >> wrote: >> >> you can sit and adjust konis till the end of time and it will not help as >>> shocks are not the issue. it's that you got rid of the compensator. that >>> killed the ride. you need to put the compensator back on or sell the >>> car. >>> >>> generally it's not a great idea to butcher these cars, but people do it >>> anyway everyday. >>> >>> last i checked on those they were hellaciously expensive new. i don't >>> buy >>> from a benz dealer, so i wouldn't be able to source you one at a value >>> price, but rusty does so he can easily get you one if they are still >>> available. or maybe just start looking for a good used cheap one. >>> >>> i wish i had better news for you >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Bruckmann < >>> bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Whoops! Sorry about the non-clipped quote on the prev post >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at >>> checkout. >>> www. BuyEUROparts.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. >> www. BuyEUROparts.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
R A Bennell wrote: Gee, did Gary lose weight? Seems like the tea thread on the other list started with Gary mentioning that he'd seen 400lb for the first time in years. Don't eat ice cream, drink good black tea instead. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Cannot help myself - must respond again. I really doubt you can "throw" Gary. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? David Bruckmann wrote: > > I either have to get the shocks softened up, or sell the car. Just throw a 400lb Gary in the cabin and it'll smooth right out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gee, did Gary lose weight? Randy (who found that weight maybe) -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? David Bruckmann wrote: > > I either have to get the shocks softened up, or sell the car. Just throw a 400lb Gary in the cabin and it'll smooth right out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
David Bruckmann wrote: I either have to get the shocks softened up, or sell the car. Just throw a 400lb Gary in the cabin and it'll smooth right out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
I sell a conversion spring kit for $475.00 which works well, I have one in my 1969 280SEL. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? i called a benz dealer and they seem to be NLA from mercedes. you will have to do some legwork or just give up and sell the car On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: you can sit and adjust konis till the end of time and it will not help as shocks are not the issue. it's that you got rid of the compensator. that killed the ride. you need to put the compensator back on or sell the car. generally it's not a great idea to butcher these cars, but people do it anyway everyday. last i checked on those they were hellaciously expensive new. i don't buy from a benz dealer, so i wouldn't be able to source you one at a value price, but rusty does so he can easily get you one if they are still available. or maybe just start looking for a good used cheap one. i wish i had better news for you On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Bruckmann < bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: Whoops! Sorry about the non-clipped quote on the prev post ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i called a benz dealer and they seem to be NLA from mercedes. you will have to do some legwork or just give up and sell the car On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > you can sit and adjust konis till the end of time and it will not help as > shocks are not the issue. it's that you got rid of the compensator. that > killed the ride. you need to put the compensator back on or sell the car. > > generally it's not a great idea to butcher these cars, but people do it > anyway everyday. > > last i checked on those they were hellaciously expensive new. i don't buy > from a benz dealer, so i wouldn't be able to source you one at a value > price, but rusty does so he can easily get you one if they are still > available. or maybe just start looking for a good used cheap one. > > i wish i had better news for you > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Bruckmann < > bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > >> Whoops! Sorry about the non-clipped quote on the prev post >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. > www. BuyEUROparts.com > -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
you can sit and adjust konis till the end of time and it will not help as shocks are not the issue. it's that you got rid of the compensator. that killed the ride. you need to put the compensator back on or sell the car. generally it's not a great idea to butcher these cars, but people do it anyway everyday. last i checked on those they were hellaciously expensive new. i don't buy from a benz dealer, so i wouldn't be able to source you one at a value price, but rusty does so he can easily get you one if they are still available. or maybe just start looking for a good used cheap one. i wish i had better news for you On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Bruckmann < bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > Whoops! Sorry about the non-clipped quote on the prev post > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
Could the springs be sagging and not giving the ride that they once did? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:57 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? It's a 4.5, and it uses the same shocks as everything going back to the Pontons and the W113 SL. No difference between 6 and 8 (or even 4 cyl on the diesels). I cannot imagine what a W113 would be like with stone-hard HD shocks. The R107 must have seemed like a dreamboat after putting up with that! I live in California, where the average mile of interstate is more challenging than the MB test track at Untertürckheim! This allows me to compare my cars, and without a doubt the 123 and 107 are vastly better at soaking up the bumps, to the point where it's just not right. It's impossible that the 108 had such hard valving when new. I either have to get the shocks softened up, or sell the car. D. > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:34:44 -0500 >From: Gary Hurst >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? >Message-ID: > <8b0e7cce1001260734h26029f59p5ac8289a78a1...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >where do you live where you have such rough roads? this is an 8 or a 6? > >On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:36 AM, David Bruckmann < >bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > >> Gang, >> >> Has anyone here had experience with Koni adjustable shocks? >> >> I replaced the crappy Monroe shocks in the W108, hoping it would improve >> the harsh ride. Unfortunately, Bilstein only seems to offer HD shocks, and >> so not unexpectedly the car is better but still too firm for my liking. >> Sachs/Boge only lists one shock, which I assume is also an HD type (although >> I've not called them to verify). The MB-EPC has superceded the original >> shocks with - you guessed it - the HD version. >> >> I understand that Koni offers adjustable shocks that will fit the W108. It >> would also seem that Koni is a top-tier OEM supplier to various reputable >> auto marques, apparently including MB on certain performance models. >> >> I'm trying to achieve a softer ride, closer to a W123. Right now the W108 >> is riding more like a skateboard/Honda Civic. I have already replaced the >> hydropneumatic compensator with a spring, and in turn replaced that spring >> with the weakest available configuration from MB. That helped, but the >> shocks are definitely too hard. >> >> Hoping someone has something good to say about the Koni adjustables... >> >> D. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > >-- >save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. > www. BuyEUROparts.com > > >-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:54:30 -0500 >From: Gary Hurst >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] danish >Message-ID: > <8b0e7cce1001260754w2e313ccbu9b634d8af2087...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >yeah, some have given up the old washboard already > >On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > >> RLE wrote: >> >> ...Wrong list, I think... >> >> >> > Not at all. >> >> Washing Machines? >> mao >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > >-- >save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. > www. BuyEUROparts.com > > >-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:37:40 -0500 >From: "Allan Streib" >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies >Message-ID: <1264523860.20941.1356663...@webmail.messagingengine.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >All in all, I'd rather see ads like these on TV here than the endless stream >of ads for erectile dysfunction meds. I
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
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Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
It's a 4.5, and it uses the same shocks as everything going back to the Pontons and the W113 SL. No difference between 6 and 8 (or even 4 cyl on the diesels). I cannot imagine what a W113 would be like with stone-hard HD shocks. The R107 must have seemed like a dreamboat after putting up with that! I live in California, where the average mile of interstate is more challenging than the MB test track at Untertürckheim! This allows me to compare my cars, and without a doubt the 123 and 107 are vastly better at soaking up the bumps, to the point where it's just not right. It's impossible that the 108 had such hard valving when new. I either have to get the shocks softened up, or sell the car. D. > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:34:44 -0500 >From: Gary Hurst >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? >Message-ID: > <8b0e7cce1001260734h26029f59p5ac8289a78a1...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >where do you live where you have such rough roads? this is an 8 or a 6? > >On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:36 AM, David Bruckmann < >bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > >> Gang, >> >> Has anyone here had experience with Koni adjustable shocks? >> >> I replaced the crappy Monroe shocks in the W108, hoping it would improve >> the harsh ride. Unfortunately, Bilstein only seems to offer HD shocks, and >> so not unexpectedly the car is better but still too firm for my liking. >> Sachs/Boge only lists one shock, which I assume is also an HD type (although >> I've not called them to verify). The MB-EPC has superceded the original >> shocks with - you guessed it - the HD version. >> >> I understand that Koni offers adjustable shocks that will fit the W108. It >> would also seem that Koni is a top-tier OEM supplier to various reputable >> auto marques, apparently including MB on certain performance models. >> >> I'm trying to achieve a softer ride, closer to a W123. Right now the W108 >> is riding more like a skateboard/Honda Civic. I have already replaced the >> hydropneumatic compensator with a spring, and in turn replaced that spring >> with the weakest available configuration from MB. That helped, but the >> shocks are definitely too hard. >> >> Hoping someone has something good to say about the Koni adjustables... >> >> D. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > >-- >save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. > www. BuyEUROparts.com > > >-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:54:30 -0500 >From: Gary Hurst >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] danish >Message-ID: > <8b0e7cce1001260754w2e313ccbu9b634d8af2087...@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >yeah, some have given up the old washboard already > >On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > >> RLE wrote: >> >> ...Wrong list, I think... >> >> >> > Not at all. >> >> Washing Machines? >> mao >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > >-- >save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. > www. BuyEUROparts.com > > >-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:37:40 -0500 >From: "Allan Streib" >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies >Message-ID: <1264523860.20941.1356663...@webmail.messagingengine.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >All in all, I'd rather see ads like these on TV here than the endless stream >of ads for erectile dysfunction meds. In fact, the former might help with the >latter ;-) > >Allan > > > >-- > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:46:55 -0500 >From: E M >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Danish ad with scantily dressed ladies >Message-ID: >
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni
this koni idea is really silliness. i'd like to know more about the car (like the actual model and what conditions it is driven under) to find what the heart of the problem is. your bilstein application of that car for the front is going to be b36-0527 and it's just not going to be that stiff as to where it should be showing ride comfort issues. so what are we talkign about here? some other issue? a guy who just really wants the ride of a mid seventies chrysler new yorker coupe? On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Robert Bigham wrote: > >> I had some Konis on a VW Rabbit once. They were adjustable for wear. The >> adjustable feature proved to be more trouble than it was worth. >> > > Sounds like the adjustable KYB struts on my Horizon. Lifetime warranty. > First set failed quicker than the factory originals wore out. Same for 2nd > set, except when the 2nd set died, they were out of production, so they gave > me non-adjustables, not lifetime warranted, as replacements that time. 70k > on the Mopars, 90k on the two sets of adjustables, and 70k on the KYB fixed > damping struts before I parked the car. Kayaba (KYB) is generally ranked > below Koni in price/quality. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni
Robert Bigham wrote: I had some Konis on a VW Rabbit once. They were adjustable for wear. The adjustable feature proved to be more trouble than it was worth. Sounds like the adjustable KYB struts on my Horizon. Lifetime warranty. First set failed quicker than the factory originals wore out. Same for 2nd set, except when the 2nd set died, they were out of production, so they gave me non-adjustables, not lifetime warranted, as replacements that time. 70k on the Mopars, 90k on the two sets of adjustables, and 70k on the KYB fixed damping struts before I parked the car. Kayaba (KYB) is generally ranked below Koni in price/quality. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had some Konis on a VW Rabbit once. They were adjustable for wear. The adjustable feature proved to be more trouble than it was worth. I never actually used it over 50 or 60 thousand miles. Doesn't Rusty have regular Bilsteins? Used to. > > 1. Adjustable shocks - Koni? (David Bruckmann) >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:36:55 -0800 >From: David Bruckmann >Subject: [MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni? >Gang, > >Has anyone here had experience with Koni adjustable shocks? > >I replaced the crappy Monroe shocks in the W108, hoping it would improve the >harsh ride. Unfortunately, Bilstein only seems to offer HD shocks, and so not >unexpectedly the car is better but still too firm for my liking. Sachs/Boge >only lists one shock, which I assume is also an HD type (although I've not >called them to verify). The MB-EPC has superceded the original shocks with - >you guessed it - the HD version. > >I understand that Koni offers adjustable shocks that will fit the W108. It >would also seem that Koni is a top-tier OEM supplier to various reputable auto >marques, apparently including MB on certain performance models. > >I'm trying to achieve a softer ride, closer to a W123. Right now the W108 is >riding more like a skateboard/Honda Civic. I have already replaced the >hydropneumatic compensator with a spring, and in turn replaced that spring >with the weakest available configuration from MB. That helped, but the shocks >are definitely too hard. > >Hoping someone has something good to say about the Koni adjustables... > >D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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where do you live where you have such rough roads? this is an 8 or a 6? On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:36 AM, David Bruckmann < bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote: > Gang, > > Has anyone here had experience with Koni adjustable shocks? > > I replaced the crappy Monroe shocks in the W108, hoping it would improve > the harsh ride. Unfortunately, Bilstein only seems to offer HD shocks, and > so not unexpectedly the car is better but still too firm for my liking. > Sachs/Boge only lists one shock, which I assume is also an HD type (although > I've not called them to verify). The MB-EPC has superceded the original > shocks with - you guessed it - the HD version. > > I understand that Koni offers adjustable shocks that will fit the W108. It > would also seem that Koni is a top-tier OEM supplier to various reputable > auto marques, apparently including MB on certain performance models. > > I'm trying to achieve a softer ride, closer to a W123. Right now the W108 > is riding more like a skateboard/Honda Civic. I have already replaced the > hydropneumatic compensator with a spring, and in turn replaced that spring > with the weakest available configuration from MB. That helped, but the > shocks are definitely too hard. > > Hoping someone has something good to say about the Koni adjustables... > > D. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Adjustable shocks - Koni?
Gang, Has anyone here had experience with Koni adjustable shocks? I replaced the crappy Monroe shocks in the W108, hoping it would improve the harsh ride. Unfortunately, Bilstein only seems to offer HD shocks, and so not unexpectedly the car is better but still too firm for my liking. Sachs/Boge only lists one shock, which I assume is also an HD type (although I've not called them to verify). The MB-EPC has superceded the original shocks with - you guessed it - the HD version. I understand that Koni offers adjustable shocks that will fit the W108. It would also seem that Koni is a top-tier OEM supplier to various reputable auto marques, apparently including MB on certain performance models. I'm trying to achieve a softer ride, closer to a W123. Right now the W108 is riding more like a skateboard/Honda Civic. I have already replaced the hydropneumatic compensator with a spring, and in turn replaced that spring with the weakest available configuration from MB. That helped, but the shocks are definitely too hard. Hoping someone has something good to say about the Koni adjustables... D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
