[MBZ] Adobe & MS (OT)
A word of caution for those who may be thinking about purchasing any Adobe software. Since I had finally fully converted from my film camera photogear (Nikon F) last year to digital stuff (Nikon D90), I recently purchased Adobe Photoshop Elements 12 software and found out after the fact that these folks don't even provide an instruction manual, so one has to purchase an instruction book (e.g., "Photoshop Elements 12, the missing manual" - Barbara Brundage). The little I've used the book thus far in trying to create a panorama, the instructions are lousy, and Adobe wants to charge for this information, and the place where I purchased the software was of little-no help either. The fellow I talked to where I purchased the software also indicated that both Adobe & MS are useless. I hope this might help someone. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adobe & MS (OT)
Adobe's products, even the consumer grade ones, have historically had a really steep learning curve. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2014, at 6:54 PM, "G. M. Brown" wrote: > > A word of caution for those who may be thinking about purchasing any Adobe > software. Since I had finally fully converted from my film camera photogear > (Nikon F) last year to digital stuff (Nikon D90), I recently purchased Adobe > Photoshop Elements 12 software and found out after the fact that these folks > don't even provide an instruction manual, so one has to purchase an > instruction book (e.g., "Photoshop Elements 12, the missing manual" - Barbara > Brundage). The little I've used the book thus far in trying to create a > panorama, the instructions are lousy, and Adobe wants to charge for this > information, and the place where I purchased the software was of little-no > help either. The fellow I talked to where I purchased the software also > indicated that both Adobe & MS are useless. > I hope this might help someone. > > G. M. Brown > Brevard, NC > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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These products are supposed to be "intuitive" so you don't NEED instructions. Ha, what a crock. Anyway, aftermarket books are pretty good. I've been using Photoshop for 15 years now, going back to version 2.5 on Mac OS 7.5.3. Elements is a simplfied version, but is still quite powerful. Lots and lots and lots of manipulations available, it's not something you learn in a day or two. Digital photography is not the same as film. Wait til you start to print things, that's another whole can of worms! I strongly recommend that you get or borrow a monitor calibrator and learn to "soft proof" in Elements, otherwise printing will drive you crazy. There are HUGE variations in output gamut and density between different types of paper (and in my case, between pigment and dye printers), and until you learn how to preview what you are going to print properly you are going to be wasting large amounts of ink and paper! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The thing is you're talking about a MASSIVE application that can do a million and one things, a "manual" would have to be a million pages and then you'd complain because it took too much searching to find the one thing you want. Fortunately there is TONS of free help on the interwebs. A good start would be to find somewhere you could take a class. Local colleges will have such things as do some photo studios. If you were up here I'd send you to my friend Tim who teaches several Photoshop classes. An alternative to Photoshop is Gimp (gnu image manipulation program) which is free. Its very Photoshop-like to the point I've given up Photoshop and its expense and use Gimp regularly. Its taken me awhile to convert but I'd only been using Photoshop professionally for 10 years... -Curt Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:54:24 -0400 From: "G. M. Brown" To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" Subject: [MBZ] Adobe & MS (OT) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A word of caution for those who may be thinking about purchasing any Adobe software. Since I had finally fully converted from my film camera photogear (Nikon F) last year to digital stuff (Nikon D90), I recently purchased Adobe Photoshop Elements 12 software and found out after the fact that these folks don't even provide an instruction manual, so one has to purchase an instruction book (e.g., "Photoshop Elements 12, the missing manual" - Barbara Brundage). The little I've used the book thus far in trying to create a panorama, the instructions are lousy, and Adobe wants to charge for this information, and the place where I purchased the software was of little-no help either. The fellow I talked to where I purchased the software also indicated that both Adobe & MS are useless. I hope this might help someone. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adobe & MS (OT)
Used to be a big gamma shift between Windows and Mac too. Back in the early days of digital video people decided they didn't need video output monitors anymore and you'd see all sorts of weird output when they finally went to tape or broadcast because nobody was ever proofing anything on a real calibrated monitor. -Curt Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:15:06 -0500 From: Peter Frederick To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adobe & MS (OT) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes These products are supposed to be "intuitive" so you don't NEED instructions. Ha, what a crock. Anyway, aftermarket books are pretty good. I've been using Photoshop for 15 years now, going back to version 2.5 on Mac OS 7.5.3. Elements is a simplfied version, but is still quite powerful. Lots and lots and lots of manipulations available, it's not something you learn in a day or two. Digital photography is not the same as film. Wait til you start to print things, that's another whole can of worms! I strongly recommend that you get or borrow a monitor calibrator and learn to "soft proof" in Elements, otherwise printing will drive you crazy. There are HUGE variations in output gamut and density between different types of paper (and in my case, between pigment and dye printers), and until you learn how to preview what you are going to print properly you are going to be wasting large amounts of ink and paper! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote: > The thing is you're talking about a MASSIVE application that can do a million > and one things... > It seems that there might be a rethink of some of these applications. This same reality is what I saw using AutoCAD when I received a paycheck. Pogroms do waaay too much in one application but perhaps a revamp of approach might enable some specialization for different user types. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've used an older version of Photoshop to make panoramas, and now use MICE - Microsoft Image Composite Editor. It's free, you just drop the collections of images onto it, and it makes a panorama. https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/groups/ivm/ice/ Use something like Photoshop to bulk correct the images, then let MICE combine them. You can view some of mine on Photosynth if you have Silverlight on a windows box at: http://photosynth.net/search.aspx?q=okdonn On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:54 PM, G. M. Brown wrote: > The little I've used the book thus far in trying to create a panorama, > the instructions are lousy, and Adobe wants to charge for this information, > and the place where I purchased the software was of little-no help either. > The fellow I talked to where I purchased the software also indicated that > both Adobe & MS are useless. > I hope this might help someone. > > G. M. Brown > Brevard, NC > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So what is the easiest way to copy my gallery of LG Optimus cellphone photos onto my Macbook? Individual photos? On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:10 PM, OK Don wrote: > I've used an older version of Photoshop to make panoramas, and now use MICE > - Microsoft Image Composite Editor. It's free, you just drop the > collections of images onto it, and it makes a panorama. > https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/groups/ivm/ice/ > > Use something like Photoshop to bulk correct the images, then let MICE > combine them. You can view some of mine on Photosynth if you have > Silverlight on a windows box at: > http://photosynth.net/search.aspx?q=okdonn > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:54 PM, G. M. Brown wrote: > > > The little I've used the book thus far in trying to create a panorama, > > the instructions are lousy, and Adobe wants to charge for this > information, > > and the place where I purchased the software was of little-no help > either. > > The fellow I talked to where I purchased the software also indicated > that > > both Adobe & MS are useless. > > I hope this might help someone. > > > > G. M. Brown > > Brevard, NC > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Probably iCloud. Free account, 5GB of space. Set up an iCloud stream with iPhoto and share them out and you'll have them in iPhoto in minutes. Dan On Mar 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > So what is the easiest way to copy my gallery of LG Optimus cellphone > photos onto my Macbook? Individual photos? > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:10 PM, OK Don wrote: > >> I've used an older version of Photoshop to make panoramas, and now use MICE >> - Microsoft Image Composite Editor. It's free, you just drop the >> collections of images onto it, and it makes a panorama. >> https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/groups/ivm/ice/ >> >> Use something like Photoshop to bulk correct the images, then let MICE >> combine them. You can view some of mine on Photosynth if you have >> Silverlight on a windows box at: >> http://photosynth.net/search.aspx?q=okdonn >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:54 PM, G. M. Brown wrote: >> >>> The little I've used the book thus far in trying to create a panorama, >>> the instructions are lousy, and Adobe wants to charge for this >> information, >>> and the place where I purchased the software was of little-no help >> either. >>> The fellow I talked to where I purchased the software also indicated >> that >>> both Adobe & MS are useless. >>> I hope this might help someone. >>> >>> G. M. Brown >>> Brevard, NC >>> >>> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! >> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence >> for themselves." >> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Adobe & MS (OT)
DO NOT USE iPHOTO under any circumstances. You can just copy the files to a folder and use whatever software you like to adjust and print. Once in iPhoto, Apple sort of takes control of your images and they are difficult or impossible to export. I'm stuck making a trip out to my sister's someday and re-doing the scanning of family photographs (going back to at least 1864) because she scanned them into iPhoto and now cannot retrieve them. Huge pain. Back them up to some sort of permanent storage as well, you never know when a hard drive it going to crash. Found that out last month when my laptop started growling, drive died before I got everything copied. I get to do a year's worth of photo corrections again. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wouldn't ban iPhoto so quickly I import/scan everything into my system in RAW format, then use Aperture to manage it. Aperture ports copies to iPhoto for day to day basic use, but the RAW files never get touched. It's the same way in iPhoto if you use RAW as an import format. I suspect that she may have updated iPhoto and then tried to connect an older iPhoto library to it. This can occur and is easily fixed - there are all sorts of resources on the Web for this. I would be interested to know more about her iPhoto issues. I'm sure they can be easily fixed. Dan On Mar 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: > DO NOT USE iPHOTO under any circumstances. > > You can just copy the files to a folder and use whatever software you like to > adjust and print. Once in iPhoto, Apple sort of takes control of your images > and they are difficult or impossible to export. > > I'm stuck making a trip out to my sister's someday and re-doing the scanning > of family photographs (going back to at least 1864) because she scanned them > into iPhoto and now cannot retrieve them. Huge pain. > > Back them up to some sort of permanent storage as well, you never know when a > hard drive it going to crash. Found that out last month when my laptop > started growling, drive died before I got everything copied. I get to do a > year's worth of photo corrections again. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Can't you just plug it in and use iPhoto? It recognises pretty much any camera or mass storage device if you tell it to do so. > On Mar 22, 2014, at 7:34, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 08:05:23 -0400 > From: Andrew Strasfogel > So what is the easiest way to copy my gallery of LG Optimus cellphone > photos onto my Macbook? Individual photos? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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iPhoto issues are best fixed by not using iPhoto. I tried it, hate it, don't like Nannie software that tells me what to do and how to store and sort my stuff. Yuk. I'm quite capable of managing my own files. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm not, so bring it on. Is there a cable connection or wireless? On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > iPhoto issues are best fixed by not using iPhoto. > > I tried it, hate it, don't like Nannie software that tells me what to do > and how to store and sort my stuff. Yuk. I'm quite capable of managing my > own files. > > Peter > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For most mass storage devices, just plug it in via USB. iPhoto should just figure it out. > On Mar 22, 2014, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > > I'm not, so bring it on. Is there a cable connection or wireless? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are places that will retrieve data from dead HDs - for a price (of course). It all depends on the value you place on the time required to recreate the lost work ... Sincerely, Larry On 3/22/2014 10:33 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: DO NOT USE iPHOTO under any circumstances. You can just copy the files to a folder and use whatever software you like to adjust and print. Once in iPhoto, Apple sort of takes control of your images and they are difficult or impossible to export. I'm stuck making a trip out to my sister's someday and re-doing the scanning of family photographs (going back to at least 1864) because she scanned them into iPhoto and now cannot retrieve them. Huge pain. Back them up to some sort of permanent storage as well, you never know when a hard drive it going to crash. Found that out last month when my laptop started growling, drive died before I got everything copied. I get to do a year's worth of photo corrections again. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
