Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Exactly. Anyone who plans to make this significant of a purchase should perform their due diligence. And be willing to walk as well as be realistic about the dealer making a reasonable profit. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:39 PM, OK Don wrote: > You should decide what you're willing to pay before you walk in. If you > can't agree to that price or lower, walk out. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
You should decide what you're willing to pay before you walk in. If you can't agree to that price or lower, walk out. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Fmiser wrote: > > > Curt wrote: > > > > > > "What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks > > > (as far as I know) sales of cars. > > > Donald Snook wrote: > > > > My point is that the no haggle pricing is BS if they have it > > priced over the market value. > > Why should no-haggle pricing always be below average? Average > means half the cars sell for more! (math guys - shhh. Go with > me on this. I know that's not really what average means but > it's probably close for this example). So paying more than book > is fine if what you are getting is worth more than the average > example. Say, a color you really like. Or a non-smoking > interior. Or a no-haggle, shipped in price. > > > BUT, for me, I won't buy a car from them if I believe they are > > higher than the market price. > > "Market value" is an elusive target. What market? Where? > Who? If your goal is to buy a car and later sell it at a > profit, maybe the book prices can be a good guideline. But as > soon as a car is sold at _any_ price, that figure is a market > value! Also culture and location can shift the numbers. A Leaf > is useless here were I am, and so the value is very low. A 4WD > pickup - even rusty, beat up, and barely running - always has a > strong market. In a city? The opposite would be true. > > Unless the purpose is to turn a profit by re-selling, the > purchase price is correct if the buyer is satisfied that the > money spent equals the value gotten - regardless of the dollar > figure. > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Yup, who's watching the watch dogs? On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 07:53 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > > > We 'assume' there is an effective, uncorrupt bureaucracy in place > > looking out for the interest of the plebe, but then we see corruption > > and purchased oversight that is ineffective. > > Exactly, there was a story here recently that a local sewage treatment > plant had been fudging their test numbers for years, and their post- > treatment water discharge was way over the limits on several > contaminants. Because it was a city operation everyone just assumed > they were honest and doing the tests and reporting the numbers > accurately. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
> > Curt wrote: > > > > "What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks > > (as far as I know) sales of cars. > Donald Snook wrote: > > My point is that the no haggle pricing is BS if they have it > priced over the market value. Why should no-haggle pricing always be below average? Average means half the cars sell for more! (math guys - shhh. Go with me on this. I know that's not really what average means but it's probably close for this example). So paying more than book is fine if what you are getting is worth more than the average example. Say, a color you really like. Or a non-smoking interior. Or a no-haggle, shipped in price. > BUT, for me, I won't buy a car from them if I believe they are > higher than the market price. "Market value" is an elusive target. What market? Where? Who? If your goal is to buy a car and later sell it at a profit, maybe the book prices can be a good guideline. But as soon as a car is sold at _any_ price, that figure is a market value! Also culture and location can shift the numbers. A Leaf is useless here were I am, and so the value is very low. A 4WD pickup - even rusty, beat up, and barely running - always has a strong market. In a city? The opposite would be true. Unless the purpose is to turn a profit by re-selling, the purchase price is correct if the buyer is satisfied that the money spent equals the value gotten - regardless of the dollar figure. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
On Aug 16, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Actually I think its CARB... >> >> -Curt >> >> The reason you can't get a 70 mpg Ford Focus in the USA is EPA regulation. >> >> Rick >> Sent from my iPhone >> > > > Either/both... it is the same reason we don't get many Dissels in the US of > A or Norte Amerka. An average Joe puts it pretty well here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnlXGvA1Wk&feature=youtube_gdata_player Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 07:53 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > We 'assume' there is an effective, uncorrupt bureaucracy in place > looking out for the interest of the plebe, but then we see corruption > and purchased oversight that is ineffective. Exactly, there was a story here recently that a local sewage treatment plant had been fudging their test numbers for years, and their post- treatment water discharge was way over the limits on several contaminants. Because it was a city operation everyone just assumed they were honest and doing the tests and reporting the numbers accurately. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Curt wrote: > Freemarket protections are a joke... I agree we've over regulated but > wholesale de-regulation will return us to the bad old days... The "over-regulated" has a cost also, hence, the objective of "wholesale de-regulation" might get us back to square one and we might regulate sensibly? Another cost of "over-regulated" is complacency among plebes to watch and foment action against bad actors. We 'assume' there is an effective, uncorrupt bureaucracy in place looking out for the interest of the plebe, but then we see corruption and purchased oversight that is ineffective. The situation today at all levels of bureaucratic oversight is sooo corrupt that there is zero chance of fix. At least with "wholesale de-regulation" we might be able to begin with clean slate on effective bureaucracy. mao - you started it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Curt wrote: > We've slit our own throats at the altar of low prices. We call that Wally-rigged. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Their approach is its like going to the mall or something, thats the price. Same as if you went to walmart to buy something. If you think they are too high, dont buy it there. On 8/16/2012 3:18 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Peter wrote: "Curt I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such as quality and service. Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they have recieved from it." That's my point. CarMax does not permit the buyer and seller to meet on an agreeable price - except in the sense that they say, "This is the price, buy it or don't." There is no negotiation. If that is what you consider a meeting of the minds, then ANY transaction meets that definition. Because either you agree to pay what they are asking or you don't. By the way, don't paint me with such a broad brush that I believe profit is a dirty word. I absolutely believe in the "market." The market is all about profit, competition, business, commerce, etc. Businesses who don't generate a profit are either on their way to bankruptcy or they are intentionally non-profit, or they are the government. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5203 - Release Date: 08/15/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Some of the regular car dealers will really screw people over. If they dont do it up front, they will do it in the back with they go to spinning the paper. Carmax was very laid back. If you have one near you, and you want to test drive cars just for the hell of it, that is your place. They do not care if you do that. On 8/16/2012 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: The point made in the articles I was reading about CarMax was that getting the best price was a sort of badge of honor for some people when it came to car buying. For those who don't like to or want to haggle, the idea that they paid more can be a negative from a social or competitive standpoint. In other words, buying a car through a dealership can be a source of "one upsmanship" for some people, like it or not. If you don't get as good a deal as your neighbor did, you're somehow inadequate in some circles. I love doing it, but it is physically and mentally exhausting. My Dad was an executive VP for General Motors for many years, and he considered it great sport. Of course, he got program cars, but he would buy cars for my Mom, which allowed him to "do some Arabing" as he called it. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: Curt - I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such as quality and service. Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they have recieved from it. Peter On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:52:41 -0500 From: Donald Snook To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" Subject: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kaleb wrote: "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything even have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of state, they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their prices are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for. When it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air suspension, so they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix it. I am impressed with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking after a whole but the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive from the dealer but there is an aftermarket company that makes more heavy duty bags for cheaper and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will say I can see why people like xenon headlights, this thing has them and they are bright." Sounds great! I wish we had some pictures. BUT, lets not get too carried away with how great Carmax is. It sounds like you got a good deal, but they are NOT always under the book. When my wife bought her charger, we looked for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas. We probably looked at 12 of them at the lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly Bluebook. I also had a friend that had a very specific requirement for a car. It had to be Black with leather seats and not an old person car. I agree their site is easy to navigate and the fact that they will ship it there is pretty cool. But, very few of the cars they found were under the book value. In fact, I argued with them that the prices were too high and they stood their ground and said they do not negotiate. My friend did not buy a car from them even though they had a Black Altima with leather seats and 20,000 miles that was exactly what she wanted. BUT, it was $2000 over the book. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives ht
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Actually I think its CARB... -Curt The reason you can't get a 70 mpg Ford Focus in the USA is EPA regulation. Rick Sent from my iPhone Either/both... it is the same reason we don't get many Dissels in the US of A or Norte Amerka. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
I did this for a Nissan Maxima back in 1997. What was really interesting to me at the time were the dealers who were outside my immediate area (South Florida) that bid on my request. When I asked about how they would get the car to me, they said it would be transported to me and a local rep would meet me with the car and paperwork. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > When I bought my Suburban in 2000 the GM web site had a thing where you could > configure the vehicle you wanted, then submit the order to various dealers > you could select. Then within a coupla days I had like 6 offers to sell me > the vehicle -- several dealers around Houston, which was a very competitive > market. A couple were trying to sell me something in inventory that was > almost what I wanted, but I was in no rush so figured to go with an order. > Ended up going to a local dealer with some of those offers in hand, and told > him if he beat the lowest by $500 the deal was his. The sales guy had to "go > talk to the manager" and he came back in about 30sec and said "OK." Then all > the crap they make you sign and whatnot took another hour, but it was pretty > simple. I have no idea if that was the "best" deal but it was easy enough > and I did not want to waste a lot of time chasing a coupla hundred bucks. > > --R > > On 8/16/12 2:52 PM, Allan Streib wrote: >> I have not mainly because I don't trust Consumer Reports. But another >> option along those lines is CarWoo.http://carwoo.com/ >> >> You select the car (make/model) you want to buy and local dealers submit >> offers to you. The theory is that since they know other dealers are >> "bidding" they will give you their best price. As with anything having to >> do with selling cars, I don't rule out the possibility of shenanigans. >> >> As far as I know this is for new cars only. >> >> Allan > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
CARB is flat out evil. Sadly, most standards are being based on CARB's, which makes things all the worse. In my former business, CARB standards on stationary engines that might run 2-3 hours a month typically are now required to meet very strict emissions standard AND use exhaust catalysts. This jacks the costs up significantly. If you do the math, their total combined output is probably in the thousandths of a percent in the total of all exhaust emissions in the US. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Actually I think its CARB... > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:56:28 -0500 > From: Rick Knoble > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Aug 16, 2012, at 1:29 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > >> But I disagree that ending regulation would fix anything... > > > I didn't say a word about ending regulation. I merely pointed out a few > acronyms of agencies who impede, if not outright prohibit industry from > locating in the USA. The reason you can't get a 70 mpg Ford Focus in the USA > is EPA regulation. > > Rick > Sent from my iPhone > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Actually I think its CARB... -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:56:28 -0500 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Aug 16, 2012, at 1:29 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > But I disagree that ending regulation would fix anything... I didn't say a word about ending regulation. I merely pointed out a few acronyms of agencies who impede, if not outright prohibit industry from locating in the USA. The reason you can't get a 70 mpg Ford Focus in the USA is EPA regulation. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
When I bought my Suburban in 2000 the GM web site had a thing where you could configure the vehicle you wanted, then submit the order to various dealers you could select. Then within a coupla days I had like 6 offers to sell me the vehicle -- several dealers around Houston, which was a very competitive market. A couple were trying to sell me something in inventory that was almost what I wanted, but I was in no rush so figured to go with an order. Ended up going to a local dealer with some of those offers in hand, and told him if he beat the lowest by $500 the deal was his. The sales guy had to "go talk to the manager" and he came back in about 30sec and said "OK." Then all the crap they make you sign and whatnot took another hour, but it was pretty simple. I have no idea if that was the "best" deal but it was easy enough and I did not want to waste a lot of time chasing a coupla hundred bucks. --R On 8/16/12 2:52 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I have not mainly because I don't trust Consumer Reports. But another option along those lines is CarWoo.http://carwoo.com/ You select the car (make/model) you want to buy and local dealers submit offers to you. The theory is that since they know other dealers are "bidding" they will give you their best price. As with anything having to do with selling cars, I don't rule out the possibility of shenanigans. As far as I know this is for new cars only. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Peter wrote: "Curt I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such as quality and service. Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they have recieved from it." That's my point. CarMax does not permit the buyer and seller to meet on an agreeable price - except in the sense that they say, "This is the price, buy it or don't." There is no negotiation. If that is what you consider a meeting of the minds, then ANY transaction meets that definition. Because either you agree to pay what they are asking or you don't. By the way, don't paint me with such a broad brush that I believe profit is a dirty word. I absolutely believe in the "market." The market is all about profit, competition, business, commerce, etc. Businesses who don't generate a profit are either on their way to bankruptcy or they are intentionally non-profit, or they are the government. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Curt wrote: "What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it." If you are saying that I think making a profit is wrong, you are dead wrong. I'm an owner of a business - a law firm. I certainly believe in profit. If I didn't I would work for the government! Nowhere did I say that making a profit is bad. My point is that the no haggle pricing is BS if they have it priced over the market value.Now, don't get me wrong, some people love the fact that they don't have to haggle AND there no haggle price is probably lower than many dealerships would start at. They have every right to price their cars at whatever price they want. BUT, for me, I won't buy a car from them if I believe they are higher than the market price. They have the right to price it and I have the right to say "hell no." Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Kaleb asked: "How long ago was that? I just know the ones I was looking at were under book and cpmpetitve to market. Now their trade in deal is a joke. I had them do an appraisal on my e320 they offered 1k which was way under even rough trade. Mine would have been average or clean trade. I sold it on cl for 4k after a day listed" I agree their trade thing is crazy. But, my friend searched for a car 2 months ago. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
On Aug 16, 2012, at 1:29 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > But I disagree that ending regulation would fix anything... I didn't say a word about ending regulation. I merely pointed out a few acronyms of agencies who impede, if not outright prohibit industry from locating in the USA. The reason you can't get a 70 mpg Ford Focus in the USA is EPA regulation. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
I have not mainly because I don't trust Consumer Reports. But another option along those lines is CarWoo. http://carwoo.com/ You select the car (make/model) you want to buy and local dealers submit offers to you. The theory is that since they know other dealers are "bidding" they will give you their best price. As with anything having to do with selling cars, I don't rule out the possibility of shenanigans. As far as I know this is for new cars only. Allan On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 02:22 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: > Has anyone utilized the Consumer Reports "New Car Buying System"? You call > 1-800-693-9582 with a detailed description of the car you want, and they > give you a price that will allow a dealer a fair profit but without the > add-on prep prices and other charges. I think the charge is about $17xx. > Some people reject CU entirely, but I find that it often has good > information when used in conjunction with other sources. I've been using it > since 1956 and saved a good bit of money by doing so while buying some very > good products. > > One buyer writes: > " I used the Consumer Reports car buying service. They give you all the > actual numbers the dealer is working with. Holdback and all incentives, not > to mention invoice prices make you an informed buyer. I was very happy with > the deal I made in june '10. > http://www.hyundai-forums.com/222-yf-2011-sonata-i45/129603-consumer-reports-new-car-buying-system.html > Gerry > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
The thing I love is the willingness to walk. There is nothing more frightening to a car salesman as watching the customer's back as they go out the door. When I bought my current car my youngest son was with me. We were at a local indie car dealer, and the puffy shirt guy was giving me the full treatment. After I had the car PPI'ed, I gave him the list of things to fix, one of which was to charge the AC. They also thought (incorrectly) that it needed a wiper motor (more about that in a minute.) "I can't afford to fix this stuff and sell you the car for the price I quoted you!" says puffy shirt guy. "OK, no problem. Stu, let's go." And out the door we went. Within seconds, the guy was behind me, shouting that he would fix everything on the list for the quoted price. My son later said to me that he couldn't believe how fast I was up and out of my chair, and how quickly the puffy shirt guy reacted. A good life lesson for him, we agreed. That's not the first time I have done it, and it won't be the last. They never believe you will walk, and if you do and they don't follow, you know they can't do the deal. As for the wiper motor, we played tag for weeks trying to schedule some time for them to do the repair. They did it once, but said the wiper motor they got from Ford was bad. Hmm. While waiting to get things sorted out, I did some research. Within 5 minutes of Googling I found a TSB about the wiper motor problem. It had a bad relay that I got from the dealer for free. Took me all of two minutes to swap it out on the fuse block. Problem solved. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 1:35 PM, "WILTON" wrote: > I hate the BS involved in trying to get the truth out of a stealership or > used car salesman. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl > > >> The point made in the articles I was reading about CarMax was that getting >> the best price was a sort of badge of honor for some people when it came to >> car buying. For those who don't like to or want to haggle, the idea that >> they paid more can be a negative from a social or competitive standpoint. >> >> In other words, buying a car through a dealership can be a source of "one >> upsmanship" for some people, like it or not. If you don't get as good a deal >> as your neighbor did, you're somehow inadequate in some circles. >> >> I love doing it, but it is physically and mentally exhausting. My Dad was an >> executive VP for General Motors for many years, and he considered it great >> sport. Of course, he got program cars, but he would buy cars for my Mom, >> which allowed him to "do some Arabing" as he called it. >> >> Dan >> >> On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: >> >>> Curt - >>> >>> I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller >>> meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such >>> as quality and service. >>> >>> Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and >>> then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they >>> have recieved from it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: >>> >>>> What does book have to do with it? >>>> >>>> KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights >>>> on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. >>>> >>>> We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any >>>> profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats >>>> at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no >>>> manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. >>>> >>>> -Curt >>>> >>>> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:52:41 -0500 >>>> From: Donald Snook >>>> To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" >>>> Subject: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Kaleb wrote: "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one >>>> and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything e
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
But I disagree that ending regulation would fix anything... In fact there are a few things I'd like to see re-regulated. You shouldn't be able to buy oil if you don't have anywhere to park it for instance. -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:22:49 -0500 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:57 AM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > I agree we've over regulated And that is my point. I'm glad we agree. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Has anyone utilized the Consumer Reports "New Car Buying System"? You call 1-800-693-9582 with a detailed description of the car you want, and they give you a price that will allow a dealer a fair profit but without the add-on prep prices and other charges. I think the charge is about $17xx. Some people reject CU entirely, but I find that it often has good information when used in conjunction with other sources. I've been using it since 1956 and saved a good bit of money by doing so while buying some very good products. One buyer writes: " I used the Consumer Reports car buying service. They give you all the actual numbers the dealer is working with. Holdback and all incentives, not to mention invoice prices make you an informed buyer. I was very happy with the deal I made in june '10. http://www.hyundai-forums.com/222-yf-2011-sonata-i45/129603-consumer-reports-new-car-buying-system.html Gerry From: "WILTON" I hate the BS involved in trying to get the truth out of a stealership or used car salesman. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl The point made in the articles I was reading about CarMax was that getting the best price was a sort of badge of honor for some people when it came to car buying. For those who don't like to or want to haggle, the idea that they paid more can be a negative from a social or competitive standpoint. In other words, buying a car through a dealership can be a source of "one upsmanship" for some people, like it or not. If you don't get as good a deal as your neighbor did, you're somehow inadequate in some circles. I love doing it, but it is physically and mentally exhausting. My Dad was an executive VP for General Motors for many years, and he considered it great sport. Of course, he got program cars, but he would buy cars for my Mom, which allowed him to "do some Arabing" as he called it. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: Curt - I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such as quality and service. Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they have recieved from it. Peter On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:52:41 -0500 From: Donald Snook To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" Subject: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kaleb wrote: "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything even have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of state, they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their prices are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for. When it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air suspension, so they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix it. I am impressed with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking after a whole but the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive from the dealer but there is an aftermarket company that makes more heavy duty bags for cheaper and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will say I can see why people like xenon headlights, this thing has them and they are bright." Sounds great! I wish we had some pictures. BUT, lets not get too carried away with how great Carmax is. It sounds like you got a good deal, but they are NOT always under the book. When my wife bought her charger, we looked for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas. We probably looked at 12 of them at the lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly Bluebook. I also had a friend that had a very specific requirement for a car. It had to be Black with leather seats and not an old person car. I agree their site is easy to navigate and the fact that they will ship it there is pretty cool. But, very few of the cars they found were under the book value. In fact, I argued with them that the prices were too high and they stood their ground
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Moderation is required in almost everything - it's the extremes of the pendulum swings that are bad. On Thursday, August 16, 2012, Curt Raymond wrote: > Don't even start... > > Do you want to work in a world with no OSHA? Sure the free market will > look out for you, of course you'll never be asked to do anything that isn't > safe. Oh right, you'll just quit and go get a job someplace they won't ask > you to do anything unsafe. > > No EPA? Right, of course the company won't pour toxins into the river. The > Nashua river near me used to run in technicolor even in the '60s and those > were the days it didn't LIGHT ON FIRE. > > Freemarket protections are a joke. If you let the freemarket do what it > wants it will rape the world until nothing is left. This is why unions > began way back at the turn of the last century. This is why government > regulation became so oppressive. I agree we've over regulated but wholesale > de-regulation will return us to the bad old days. Witness the end of > Glass-Steagall which would basically have prevented the crash in 2008... > > > > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:29:05 -0500 > From: Rick Knoble > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:07 AM, "Curt Raymond" > > > wrote: > > > This is yet another example of why there is no manufacturing in the US > anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. > > > Too much regulation. I.E., OSHA, EPA, IRS, etc. > > Rick > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
And it's just so burned into me that I can't imagine it's not the same at CarMax (maybe with a nice polished veneer and friendly face so you are less aware of it). I buy from private parties now, exclusively. I just think that gives me the best chance to be on a level playing field, and even that is a risk because dealer salespeople will often pose as private sellers. Allan On Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 01:35 PM, WILTON wrote: > I hate the BS involved in trying to get the truth out of a stealership or > used car salesman. > > Wilton > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
I hate the BS involved in trying to get the truth out of a stealership or used car salesman. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl The point made in the articles I was reading about CarMax was that getting the best price was a sort of badge of honor for some people when it came to car buying. For those who don't like to or want to haggle, the idea that they paid more can be a negative from a social or competitive standpoint. In other words, buying a car through a dealership can be a source of "one upsmanship" for some people, like it or not. If you don't get as good a deal as your neighbor did, you're somehow inadequate in some circles. I love doing it, but it is physically and mentally exhausting. My Dad was an executive VP for General Motors for many years, and he considered it great sport. Of course, he got program cars, but he would buy cars for my Mom, which allowed him to "do some Arabing" as he called it. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: Curt - I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such as quality and service. Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they have recieved from it. Peter On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: What does book have to do with it? KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:52:41 -0500 From: Donald Snook To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" Subject: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kaleb wrote: "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything even have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of state, they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their prices are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for. When it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air suspension, so they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix it. I am impressed with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking after a whole but the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive from the dealer but there is an aftermarket company that makes more heavy duty bags for cheaper and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will say I can see why people like xenon headlights, this thing has them and they are bright." Sounds great! I wish we had some pictures. BUT, lets not get too carried away with how great Carmax is. It sounds like you got a good deal, but they are NOT always under the book. When my wife bought her charger, we looked for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas. We probably looked at 12 of them at the lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly Bluebook. I also had a friend that had a very specific requirement for a car. It had to be Black with leather seats and not an old person car. I agree their site is easy to navigate and the fact that they will ship it there is pretty cool. But, very few of the cars they found were under the book value. In fact, I argued with them that the prices were too high and they stood their ground and said they do not negotiate. My friend did not buy a car from them even though they had a Black Altima with leather seats and 20,000 miles that was exactly what she wanted. BUT, it was $2000 over the book. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:57 AM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > I agree we've over regulated And that is my point. I'm glad we agree. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Don't even start... Do you want to work in a world with no OSHA? Sure the free market will look out for you, of course you'll never be asked to do anything that isn't safe. Oh right, you'll just quit and go get a job someplace they won't ask you to do anything unsafe. No EPA? Right, of course the company won't pour toxins into the river. The Nashua river near me used to run in technicolor even in the '60s and those were the days it didn't LIGHT ON FIRE. Freemarket protections are a joke. If you let the freemarket do what it wants it will rape the world until nothing is left. This is why unions began way back at the turn of the last century. This is why government regulation became so oppressive. I agree we've over regulated but wholesale de-regulation will return us to the bad old days. Witness the end of Glass-Steagall which would basically have prevented the crash in 2008... -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:29:05 -0500 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:07 AM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > This is yet another example of why there is no manufacturing in the US > anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. Too much regulation. I.E., OSHA, EPA, IRS, etc. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
The point made in the articles I was reading about CarMax was that getting the best price was a sort of badge of honor for some people when it came to car buying. For those who don't like to or want to haggle, the idea that they paid more can be a negative from a social or competitive standpoint. In other words, buying a car through a dealership can be a source of "one upsmanship" for some people, like it or not. If you don't get as good a deal as your neighbor did, you're somehow inadequate in some circles. I love doing it, but it is physically and mentally exhausting. My Dad was an executive VP for General Motors for many years, and he considered it great sport. Of course, he got program cars, but he would buy cars for my Mom, which allowed him to "do some Arabing" as he called it. Dan On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: > Curt - > > I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller > meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such > as quality and service. > > Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and > then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they > have recieved from it. > > > > Peter > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> What does book have to do with it? >> >> KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights >> on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. >> >> We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any >> profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats >> at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no >> manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:52:41 -0500 >> From: Donald Snook >> To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" >> Subject: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Kaleb wrote: "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one >> and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything even >> have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of state, >> they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their prices >> are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for. >> When it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air >> suspension, so they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix it. >> I am impressed with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking >> after a whole but the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive >> from the dealer but there is an aftermarket company that makes more heavy >> duty bags for cheaper and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will say I >> can see why people like xenon headlights, this thing has them and they are >> bright." >> >> Sounds great! I wish we had some pictures. BUT, lets not get too >> carried away with how great Carmax is. It sounds like you got a good deal, >> but they are NOT always under the book. When my wife bought her charger, >> we looked for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas. We probably looked at 12 of >> them at the lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly Bluebook. >> I also had a friend that had a very specific requirement for a car. It >> had to be Black with leather seats and not an old person car. I agree >> their site is easy to navigate and the fact that they will ship it there is >> pretty cool. But, very few of the cars they found were under the book >> value. In fact, I argued with them that the prices were too high and they >> stood their ground and said they do not negotiate. My friend did not buy >> a car from them even though they had a Black Altima with leather seats and >> 20,000 miles that was exactly what she wanted. BUT, it was $2000 over the >> book. >> >> Donald H. Snook >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Not me, I like to buy a car near the end of its life cycle and give it a comfortable place to finish out its days. I have sold some cars but usually at almost give away prices because there wasn't much car left. That said I don't drive as much as I used to. The commute to Burbank is a bitch as it is. -Curt Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:13:33 -0500 From: Peter Hertzing To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt - I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such as quality and service. Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they have recieved from it. Peter On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > What does book have to do with it? > > KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights > on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. > > We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any > profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats > at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no > manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:07 AM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > This is yet another example of why there is no manufacturing in the US > anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. Too much regulation. I.E., OSHA, EPA, IRS, etc. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Curt - I'm with you. An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller meet on an agreeable price. Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such as quality and service. Profit isn't a dirty word. Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they have recieved from it. Peter On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > What does book have to do with it? > > KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights > on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc. > > We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any > profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats > at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no > manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it. > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:52:41 -0500 > From: Donald Snook > To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" > Subject: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Kaleb wrote: "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one > and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything even > have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of state, > they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their prices > are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for. > When it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air > suspension, so they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix it. > I am impressed with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking > after a whole but the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive > from the dealer but there is an aftermarket company that makes more heavy > duty bags for cheaper and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will say I > can see why people like xenon headlights, this thing has them and they are > bright." > > Sounds great! I wish we had some pictures. BUT, lets not get too > carried away with how great Carmax is. It sounds like you got a good deal, > but they are NOT always under the book. When my wife bought her charger, > we looked for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas. We probably looked at 12 of > them at the lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly Bluebook. > I also had a friend that had a very specific requirement for a car. It > had to be Black with leather seats and not an old person car. I agree > their site is easy to navigate and the fact that they will ship it there is > pretty cool. But, very few of the cars they found were under the book > value. In fact, I argued with them that the prices were too high and they > stood their ground and said they do not negotiate. My friend did not buy > a car from them even though they had a Black Altima with leather seats and > 20,000 miles that was exactly what she wanted. BUT, it was $2000 over the > book. > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
How long ago was that? I just know the ones I was looking at were under book and cpmpetitve to market. Now their trade in deal is a joke. I had them do an appraisal on my e320 they offered 1k which was way under even rough trade. Mine would have been average or clean trade. I sold it on cl for 4k after a day listed Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Kaleb wrote: "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one > and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything even > have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of state, > they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their prices > are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for. When > it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air suspension, so > they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix it. I am impressed > with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking after a whole but > the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive from the dealer but > there is an aftermarket company that makes more heavy duty bags for cheaper > and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will say I can see why people like > xenon headlights, this thing has them and they are bright." > > Sounds great! I wish we had some pictures. BUT, lets not get too carried > away with how great Carmax is. It sounds like you got a good deal, but they > are NOT always under the book. When my wife bought her charger, we looked > for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas. We probably looked at 12 of them at the > lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly Bluebook. I also had a > friend that had a very specific requirement for a car. It had to be Black > with leather seats and not an old person car. I agree their site is easy to > navigate and the fact that they will ship it there is pretty cool. But, very > few of the cars they found were under the book value. In fact, I argued with > them that the prices were too high and they stood their ground and said they > do not negotiate. My friend did not buy a car from them even though they > had a Black Altima with leather seats and 20,000 miles that was exactly what > she wanted. BUT, it was $2000 over the book. > > Donald H. Snook > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl
Kaleb wrote: "Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything even have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of state, they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their prices are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for. When it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air suspension, so they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix it. I am impressed with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking after a whole but the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive from the dealer but there is an aftermarket company that makes more heavy duty bags for cheaper and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will say I can see why people like xenon headlights, this thing has them and they are bright." Sounds great! I wish we had some pictures. BUT, lets not get too carried away with how great Carmax is. It sounds like you got a good deal, but they are NOT always under the book. When my wife bought her charger, we looked for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas. We probably looked at 12 of them at the lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly Bluebook. I also had a friend that had a very specific requirement for a car. It had to be Black with leather seats and not an old person car. I agree their site is easy to navigate and the fact that they will ship it there is pretty cool. But, very few of the cars they found were under the book value. In fact, I argued with them that the prices were too high and they stood their ground and said they do not negotiate. My friend did not buy a car from them even though they had a Black Altima with leather seats and 20,000 miles that was exactly what she wanted. BUT, it was $2000 over the book. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
