Re: [MBZ] Data at risk! was: More cars for CL

2018-01-06 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Temperature data only goes back to the 1700's, there were no thermometers 
before that.

"Tampering", as the climate change deniers are so fond of quoting, in data that 
has been "adjusted" to account for the known errors in the National Standards 
Institute thermometers used prior to about 1950, and all the Farhenheit data 
has been converted to Centigrade for comparison purposes (we have been 
officially metric since 1911)

A few data points have either been estimated or removed, usually because they 
are obviously wrong (twenty degrees lower that the preceeding and following 
days, for instance) or a transcription error -- up to the 70's all data was 
hand written from visual observation of a thermometer, errors do happen.  Most 
common is to transpose the digits and write 54 and 45, for instance.

Claims the data has been "altered" to prove a point are bullfeathers.  I've 
been periferally involved in the climate change discussion, including data work 
at Forestry Canada in the early 90's, and the data is a solid as data can be 
under the circumstances.

Climate scientists at FCOR didn't have an agenda to "prove" global warming, 
they were (and I expect are still) dedicated to sustainable forestry, it's a 
major industry in Canada (and elsewhere), and their goals are to keep the trees 
growing into harvestable timber.  Takes a century to grow a decent sized 
conifer up there, it's fairly important to plant something that will not die 
after 20 if you want anything to harvest on the other end.



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Re: [MBZ] Data at risk! was: More cars for CL

2018-01-05 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curley wrote:

> Show me a SPC control chart of the (actual, not tampered) temps
> going back say 500 or 1000 years, and you will see nothing is
> out of control. 

Seems that tampered data is considered "at risk".  There was
concern that the data might be removed from the web by the current
administration.

https://www.livescience.com/57879-coders-saving-nasa-climate-data.html
https://www.wired.com/2017/02/diehard-coders-just-saved-nasas-earth-science-data/

Those articles are almost a year old.  I have not checked to see
if the information has been corrected.

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