Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s
the talking heads convinced people that GM going bankrupt would shutdown GM and all those production lines. IMO, the reality would be someone/group would buy the parts of GM that could be turned into profitable businesses - then they'd de-unionize them and make lots of money. Our main stream news media painted a picture of closed factories , etc - inaccurate IMHO... But we all know opinions are like bellybuttons - everybody has one.. LarryT 91 300D On 2/21/2012 8:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Grant wrote: Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4 of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule. Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone? The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever. I'm waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s
Let me begin by stating unequivocally that I have absolutely no intention of purchasing any of these cars. My observations were such that I was surprised by the number of them on the local market, and the prices they are selling at relative to their original cost. I went back and checked, and while by no means is this statistically accurate, a casual look shows roughly 10% of the MBs in the local market right now are V12 models of some sort. Considering that these were not a large part of the product line at any given time, I find it surprising that there are so many on the market. Definitely not a good indicator. Dan On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:25 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, this same argument could be use before the wife, to justify the acquisition of a third 600. ;-) hee hee. To be honest, while a 600 will never be a cheap car to run, I wouldn't be put off one, anymore than other car of similar complexity. Also, I think it's true that when a car fails, you'll let all your friends, and pretty much anyone who will listen know about it. But when a car functions as we all expect them to, no mention is ever made of it. Human nature. All cars have their flaws and weaknesses. A $200,000 car is no different, but when parts fail, expect to pay for those model specific parts, a price that is in line with a $200,000 car, not its depreciated price, whatever that may be. You can pick up old 6.9s for a few thousand dollars, but no one expects to pay 240D prices for 6.9 engine parts. A 600 is a top of the line car, from a car company who's entry level models are quite expensive. I wouldn't worry about a V12 going bang every time you drive it, but if that's something anyone would worry about, then it's probably not the right car for them. If for no other reason than it would take away from the pleasure of owning it. And as no one needs a V12, pleasure and pride of ownership are a big part of the experience. A bit of advise I always give to friends when thinking about buying an expensive car. Don't drive what you think you can afford to drive. Drive what you can afford to crash and blow up. ;-) That's my take on big expensive cars anyway. :-) Ed 300E 300E On 20 February 2012 23:27, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:52:38 -0500 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things. If you have two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need, it will probably never fail you. The danger zone, is the time period between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare, will be no where to be seen. THAT's when your car will go boom, and you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee. Of course, if there's a design flaw and certain expensive parts fail regularly, having only a second 600 as a parts supply would be insufficient, serving only to delay the time when you really need to pay the piper. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s
I think there could be several reasons for this; but just my guess. I find most top of the range models don't hold their value as well as the more affordable models. Also, these cars are bought new, by well off people. Most of those people remain well off, so when a new model comes out, they buy it. Once these cars are sold, it's often to people who want one, but are unwilling to pay the big premium to drive it out of the showroom (can't blame them). They get several years of pretty trouble free driving out of a newish car, but are wise enough to part with them before they become a money pit, and then they go out and replace it with something similar again, but newer. As these cars change hands, the running costs go up, naturally, as the car is getting older. The cars are getting cheaper, and so these cars are now finding their way into hands for even less money, but with greater running costs. (they start looking like a deal too good to pass up if you're a car guy) Throw in a bit of a squeeze with the economy, ever rising fuel prices, and a few replacement parts that cost WHAT that you have to justify to the wife, and once again, these cars are on the market, but now for cheap, with some miles, and deferred maintenance, with the promise to cost as much as the car is worth, to fix those little switches that don't work, and other little things that should have been changed as part of regular maintenance, but weren't. I find this is kind of the route big BMWs take too. These cars were designed to be owned by rich guys, and maintained with an open chequebook. I'm glad this happens in ways, as it allows car guys like us to buy a V12 if we want. We just have to be smart when making a choice, and leave a good chunk of cash off to the side to keep it serviced as it deserves to be. I think they are really great cars! :-) Ed 300E On 21 February 2012 08:06, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Let me begin by stating unequivocally that I have absolutely no intention of purchasing any of these cars. My observations were such that I was surprised by the number of them on the local market, and the prices they are selling at relative to their original cost. I went back and checked, and while by no means is this statistically accurate, a casual look shows roughly 10% of the MBs in the local market right now are V12 models of some sort. Considering that these were not a large part of the product line at any given time, I find it surprising that there are so many on the market. Definitely not a good indicator. Dan On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:25 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, this same argument could be use before the wife, to justify the acquisition of a third 600. ;-) hee hee. To be honest, while a 600 will never be a cheap car to run, I wouldn't be put off one, anymore than other car of similar complexity. Also, I think it's true that when a car fails, you'll let all your friends, and pretty much anyone who will listen know about it. But when a car functions as we all expect them to, no mention is ever made of it. Human nature. All cars have their flaws and weaknesses. A $200,000 car is no different, but when parts fail, expect to pay for those model specific parts, a price that is in line with a $200,000 car, not its depreciated price, whatever that may be. You can pick up old 6.9s for a few thousand dollars, but no one expects to pay 240D prices for 6.9 engine parts. A 600 is a top of the line car, from a car company who's entry level models are quite expensive. I wouldn't worry about a V12 going bang every time you drive it, but if that's something anyone would worry about, then it's probably not the right car for them. If for no other reason than it would take away from the pleasure of owning it. And as no one needs a V12, pleasure and pride of ownership are a big part of the experience. A bit of advise I always give to friends when thinking about buying an expensive car. Don't drive what you think you can afford to drive. Drive what you can afford to crash and blow up. ;-) That's my take on big expensive cars anyway. :-) Ed 300E 300E On 20 February 2012 23:27, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:52:38 -0500 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things. If you have two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need, it will probably never fail you. The danger zone, is the time period between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare, will be no where to be seen. THAT's when your car will go boom, and you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee. Of
Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s
It's the bad economy. Hard time have come for the rich. They have had to fire the drivers and door openers, valet service has cut back due to fancy food places being almost unoccupied. The list goes on but it's indicative of the times we live in. In the 30's you could pick up luxury cars for scrap prices because the bankers who drove them were out of business. Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4 of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule. Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone? Grant... On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Let me begin by stating unequivocally that I have absolutely no intention of purchasing any of these cars. My observations were such that I was surprised by the number of them on the local market, and the prices they are selling at relative to their original cost. I went back and checked, and while by no means is this statistically accurate, a casual look shows roughly 10% of the MBs in the local market right now are V12 models of some sort. Considering that these were not a large part of the product line at any given time, I find it surprising that there are so many on the market. Definitely not a good indicator. Dan On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:25 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, this same argument could be use before the wife, to justify the acquisition of a third 600. ;-) hee hee. To be honest, while a 600 will never be a cheap car to run, I wouldn't be put off one, anymore than other car of similar complexity. Also, I think it's true that when a car fails, you'll let all your friends, and pretty much anyone who will listen know about it. But when a car functions as we all expect them to, no mention is ever made of it. Human nature. All cars have their flaws and weaknesses. A $200,000 car is no different, but when parts fail, expect to pay for those model specific parts, a price that is in line with a $200,000 car, not its depreciated price, whatever that may be. You can pick up old 6.9s for a few thousand dollars, but no one expects to pay 240D prices for 6.9 engine parts. A 600 is a top of the line car, from a car company who's entry level models are quite expensive. I wouldn't worry about a V12 going bang every time you drive it, but if that's something anyone would worry about, then it's probably not the right car for them. If for no other reason than it would take away from the pleasure of owning it. And as no one needs a V12, pleasure and pride of ownership are a big part of the experience. A bit of advise I always give to friends when thinking about buying an expensive car. Don't drive what you think you can afford to drive. Drive what you can afford to crash and blow up. ;-) That's my take on big expensive cars anyway. :-) Ed 300E 300E On 20 February 2012 23:27, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:52:38 -0500 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things. If you have two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need, it will probably never fail you. The danger zone, is the time period between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare, will be no where to be seen. THAT's when your car will go boom, and you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee. Of course, if there's a design flaw and certain expensive parts fail regularly, having only a second 600 as a parts supply would be insufficient, serving only to delay the time when you really need to pay the piper. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
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Great analysis Ed. That has been true for years. There is a technology break between 126 and 140 that is significant. 126 has a lot in common with all the post 1959 S class, and even with all post-1961 MB cars (1962 in the NA market) The 140 has more in common with the 1995 and later cars. A similar technology break was made with the 1959 introduction of the 111/112 chassis, and two years later for the 110. Those cars were radically different than the pontons and earlier. The 126, and its technologically similar products (107/110/111/112/113/114/115/116/123/124/126) are relatively inexpensive to maintain. The 140 tried to be more like the 20 years out of production 600, but in a much smaller chassis. It was a full jump into the world of electronics, and high priced window switches, bulletproof glass, etc. with M100 type prices for parts. The 210 is a transition model, without all the most expensive hang-ons that the 140 got. 210 still shows it linage, with many parts interchangeable with the 124. Compared to a 140, a 126 is reliable and inexpensive to keep on the road. It was never aimed at the 600 market. I think there could be several reasons for this; but just my guess. I find most top of the range models don't hold their value as well as the more affordable models. Also, these cars are bought new, by well off people. Most of those people remain well off, so when a new model comes out, they buy it. Once these cars are sold, it's often to people who want one, but are unwilling to pay the big premium to drive it out of the showroom (can't blame them). They get several years of pretty trouble free driving out of a newish car, but are wise enough to part with them before they become a money pit, and then they go out and replace it with something similar again, but newer. As these cars change hands, the running costs go up, naturally, as the car is getting older. The cars are getting cheaper, and so these cars are now finding their way into hands for even less money, but with greater running costs. (they start looking like a deal too good to pass up if you're a car guy) Throw in a bit of a squeeze with the economy, ever rising fuel prices, and a few replacement parts that cost WHAT that you have to justify to the wife, and once again, these cars are on the market, but now for cheap, with some miles, and deferred maintenance, with the promise to cost as much as the car is worth, to fix those little switches that don't work, and other little things that should have been changed as part of regular maintenance, but weren't. I find this is kind of the route big BMWs take too. These cars were designed to be owned by rich guys, and maintained with an open chequebook. I'm glad this happens in ways, as it allows car guys like us to buy a V12 if we want. We just have to be smart when making a choice, and leave a good chunk of cash off to the side to keep it serviced as it deserves to be. I think they are really great cars! :-) Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant wrote: Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4 of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule. Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone? The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever. I'm waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mao, et al. The only time the elephant is noticed is right before it lifts its' tail. Incoming! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 2/21/2012 8:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Grant wrote: Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4 of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule. Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone? The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever. I'm waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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GM does not have to pay any taxes for 10 years. That sorta helps. --R On 2/21/12 8:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Grant wrote: Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4 of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule. Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone? The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever. I'm waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Elephant: A mouse built under government contract with government supervision using only government approved parts build by plants from each congressional district. Grant... On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Grant wrote: Large expensive car companies went out of business about year 4 of the great depression , we are coming on to year 5 of the new greater depression so dumping the luxury car is on schedule. Another 4 years of Chains we can bleed in anyone? The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever. I'm waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mao, et al. The only time the elephant is noticed is right before it lifts its' tail. Incoming! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred The brainwashers are out indoctrinating us that Detroit bailout has saved a national treasure - GM making highest earnings ever. I'm waiting for the elephant in the room to be seen. mao Not many people left in this country notice, even when the elephant, or in this case, jackass, lifts its tail. They just get covered in the excrement, and don't even notice. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dearth of 600s
As I perused the Craigslist listings for MBs yesterday, I was amazed at the huge number of 600 series cars (with V12s) on the market, and as one might expect, cheap relatively speaking. I can't help but wonder if it is cheaper to just buy a couple of them and use one for parts when the other breaks. Are these things such maintenance and operational nightmares that most are falling by the side of the road, or is it possible to have one and not have it eat you out of house and home trying to maintain it? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've always been intrigued but also scared of the 600s. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: As I perused the Craigslist listings for MBs yesterday, I was amazed at the huge number of 600 series cars (with V12s) on the market, and as one might expect, cheap relatively speaking. I can't help but wonder if it is cheaper to just buy a couple of them and use one for parts when the other breaks. Are these things such maintenance and operational nightmares that most are falling by the side of the road, or is it possible to have one and not have it eat you out of house and home trying to maintain it? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: As I perused the Craigslist listings for MBs yesterday, I was amazed at the huge number of 600 series cars (with V12s) on the market, and as one might expect, cheap relatively speaking. Your subject says, Dearth, which means few, but your text says, huge number. In any event, the only thing I have heard about them is to stay away. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's late, my brain hurts, and I knocked this off in a hurry as I had to got to an HOA board meeting I really didn't want to go to... Arrgh. Dan On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Craig wrote: On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: As I perused the Craigslist listings for MBs yesterday, I was amazed at the huge number of 600 series cars (with V12s) on the market, and as one might expect, cheap relatively speaking. Your subject says, Dearth, which means few, but your text says, huge number. In any event, the only thing I have heard about them is to stay away. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The concept of having a spare 600 is great but the actuality of diagnosing problems and r/r a sophisticated electronic part is way beyond my capability. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: It's late, my brain hurts, and I knocked this off in a hurry as I had to got to an HOA board meeting I really didn't want to go to... Arrgh. Dan On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Craig wrote: On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: As I perused the Craigslist listings for MBs yesterday, I was amazed at the huge number of 600 series cars (with V12s) on the market, and as one might expect, cheap relatively speaking. Your subject says, Dearth, which means few, but your text says, huge number. In any event, the only thing I have heard about them is to stay away. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things. If you have two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need, it will probably never fail you. The danger zone, is the time period between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare, will be no where to be seen. THAT's when your car will go boom, and you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee. Ed 300E...I keep telling myself I have half a V12. ;-) On 20 February 2012 22:41, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The concept of having a spare 600 is great but the actuality of diagnosing problems and r/r a sophisticated electronic part is way beyond my capability. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: It's late, my brain hurts, and I knocked this off in a hurry as I had to got to an HOA board meeting I really didn't want to go to... Arrgh. Dan On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Craig wrote: On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: As I perused the Craigslist listings for MBs yesterday, I was amazed at the huge number of 600 series cars (with V12s) on the market, and as one might expect, cheap relatively speaking. Your subject says, Dearth, which means few, but your text says, huge number. In any event, the only thing I have heard about them is to stay away. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:52:38 -0500 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things. If you have two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need, it will probably never fail you. The danger zone, is the time period between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare, will be no where to be seen. THAT's when your car will go boom, and you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee. Of course, if there's a design flaw and certain expensive parts fail regularly, having only a second 600 as a parts supply would be insufficient, serving only to delay the time when you really need to pay the piper. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dearth of 600s
Of course, this same argument could be use before the wife, to justify the acquisition of a third 600. ;-) hee hee. To be honest, while a 600 will never be a cheap car to run, I wouldn't be put off one, anymore than other car of similar complexity. Also, I think it's true that when a car fails, you'll let all your friends, and pretty much anyone who will listen know about it. But when a car functions as we all expect them to, no mention is ever made of it. Human nature. All cars have their flaws and weaknesses. A $200,000 car is no different, but when parts fail, expect to pay for those model specific parts, a price that is in line with a $200,000 car, not its depreciated price, whatever that may be. You can pick up old 6.9s for a few thousand dollars, but no one expects to pay 240D prices for 6.9 engine parts. A 600 is a top of the line car, from a car company who's entry level models are quite expensive. I wouldn't worry about a V12 going bang every time you drive it, but if that's something anyone would worry about, then it's probably not the right car for them. If for no other reason than it would take away from the pleasure of owning it. And as no one needs a V12, pleasure and pride of ownership are a big part of the experience. A bit of advise I always give to friends when thinking about buying an expensive car. Don't drive what you think you can afford to drive. Drive what you can afford to crash and blow up. ;-) That's my take on big expensive cars anyway. :-) Ed 300E 300E On 20 February 2012 23:27, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:52:38 -0500 E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: The old rule probably applies, as it does with most things. If you have two of them, and therefore a supply of all the spares you'll ever need, it will probably never fail you. The danger zone, is the time period between your purchase of the first 600, and waiting for the second spare one to come along. The first one will come easy, and all of a sudden, all those cheap 600 one the market you plan to buy as a spare, will be no where to be seen. THAT's when your car will go boom, and you'll have to remortgage the house to fix it, or figure out how to stick an old diesel engine in it. hee hee. Of course, if there's a design flaw and certain expensive parts fail regularly, having only a second 600 as a parts supply would be insufficient, serving only to delay the time when you really need to pay the piper. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
