Re: [MBZ] Distilled water here and there

2007-05-30 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 29 May 2007 11:12:18 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Pure distilled water is not electrolytic, but it is a rather good
 solvent and it will tend to pull minerals from the aluminum alloys
 in the head.

And DI water is even worse!


Craig



[MBZ] Distilled water here and there

2007-05-29 Thread Robert Bigham
You should use distilled water in your battery to limit the odd ions in the 
electrolyte.  
But that is really a minor effect, and people use tap water in batteries all 
the time 
without noticeable loss of battery life.

Years ago when I pumped gas, I remember well being told to fill up the battery 
water container and let is sit still.  We provided sfill water for batteries at 
that gas 
station.  So did all the others.

There is a better reason to use distilled water in cololant.  Using distilled 
or deionized 
water in coolant minimizes corrosion, particularly of aluminum components.  
Some 
tap waters promote corrosion more so than others, depending on their dissolved 
solids content, and to some extent on the dissolved solids themselves.  Some 
waters 
have dissolved sulfide ions and watch out if that is the case.  

All corrosion is electrochemical in nature.  Electrochemical corrosion requires 
a hard 
(metal) connection between the anodic material (which corrodes) and the 
cathodic 
material (which does not in general).   Corrosion also requires a connection 
through 
an electrolyte, a liquid, to complete what is called a corrosion cell.   Cells 
can be large
or small, and  the differences in metals at the crystalline level explain why 
corrosion 
always involves pitting by very small corrosion cells.  

Tap water makes an excellent electrolyte for purposes of corrosion in most 
cases 
because of its dissolved solids content.  

Distilled or deionized water has practically no dissolved solids, is not an 
electrolyte, 
that is, it does not conduct electicity.  

Ethylene and propylene glycols are organic liquids that do not conduct 
electricity.  

No electrolyte in cooling system means no corrosion.  It is that simple.  Use 
distilled
or deionized water for best results and longest component life.

Robert Bigham
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Mercedes recommends use of tap water to dilute the coolant, unless it
is exceptionally hard water.

Pure distilled water is not electrolytic, but it is a rather good
solvent and it will tend to pull minerals from the aluminum alloys
in the head.  Tap water already has some mineral load and is thus
less aggressive in this sense.  Of course an extremely high mineral
content is bad also so that is why there is an exception for very hard
water.


Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 You should use distilled water in your battery to limit the odd ions in the 
 electrolyte.  
 But that is really a minor effect, and people use tap water in batteries all 
 the time 
 without noticeable loss of battery life.

 Years ago when I pumped gas, I remember well being told to fill up the 
 battery 
 water container and let is sit still.  We provided sfill water for batteries 
 at that gas 
 station.  So did all the others.

 There is a better reason to use distilled water in cololant.  Using distilled 
 or deionized 
 water in coolant minimizes corrosion, particularly of aluminum components.  
 Some 
 tap waters promote corrosion more so than others, depending on their 
 dissolved 
 solids content, and to some extent on the dissolved solids themselves.  Some 
 waters 
 have dissolved sulfide ions and watch out if that is the case.  

 All corrosion is electrochemical in nature

Re: [MBZ] Distilled water here and there

2007-05-29 Thread John Robbins

Allan Streib wrote:

Mercedes recommends use of tap water to dilute the coolant, unless it
is exceptionally hard water.

Pure distilled water is not electrolytic, but it is a rather good
solvent and it will tend to pull minerals from the aluminum alloys
in the head.  Tap water already has some mineral load and is thus
less aggressive in this sense.  Of course an extremely high mineral
content is bad also so that is why there is an exception for very hard
water.



IIRC, the reason we *have* to use MB coolant is that there are lots of 
anti-corrosion additives, and this is why the coolant needs changed 
every two years.  Newer MB's have a pouch or something that keeps 
delivering the anti-corrosion chemical... so the coolant only needs 
changed every 7 years or so.


John