Re: [MBZ] Dodge diesel conversions, Was: 300D Dodge Dakota
The first link is much more in line with what I am doing. The link I posted for M-Series Rebuild and Repower shows what I dream of being able to do with my M37. Mike > It seems than at Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:09:43 -0500, OK wrote: > >> Is this what you're talking about? >> >> http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/ > > Or > http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/ > http://www.vintagepowerwagons.com/ > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge diesel conversions, Was: 300D Dodge Dakota
It seems than at Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:09:43 -0500, OK wrote: > Is this what you're talking about? > > http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/ Or http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/ http://www.vintagepowerwagons.com/ -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge diesel conversions, Was: 300D Dodge Dakota
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:17:18 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Some time ago I postulated putting a 616 into a Jeep CJ3B. Both put > > out around 72hp but it was speculated that the added weight might not > > help with the 3b's economy any. > > The flathead is huge and heavy. I can't imagine the Merc engine could > weigh more than a 100 pounds or so more..There is nothing aluminum > on the flathead other than the carb.LOL IIRC, a naturally-aspirated 617 and stick-shift transmission are 657#. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge diesel conversions, Was: 300D Dodge Dakota
Comments below. > > IIRC the na 617 is 90something hp and the turbo is around 120, not sure of > the torque numbers. > Seems like the torque numbers might be the tough side, I imagine though > they're low hp the original 6 had good torque. I don't know the torque numbers for the old flathead but they were not impressive engines even new. They were originally designed in 1938 I believe. I am almost certain the diesel will have better torque numbers at all RPM ranges. > Some time ago I postulated putting a 616 into a Jeep CJ3B. Both put out > around 72hp but it was speculated that the added weight might not help > with the 3b's economy any. The flathead is huge and heavy. I can't imagine the Merc engine could weigh more than a 100 pounds or so more..There is nothing aluminum on the flathead other than the carb.LOL > I'm with you that the Mercedes engine will rev alot higher, 5500 IIRC. > > Is regearing the M37 not an option? The original gears are 5.83's and 4.89's are said to be available.I have yet to find any and I have been searching for years. Regearing is best accomplished with an OD and big radial tires. Ride is improved dramatically with the big tires. > > How driveable at higher speeds do you think one of these would be? Meaning > if the frontend was only designed for 55mph how would it do with 65? They drive extremely well really. Owners of Cummins and V8 repowered M37's report they handle very well at 70MPH while towing. Mike > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Phillip, > I have done a ton of research and thinking on the best swap for the > M37. > The 4BTA is actually the very best choice as far as a hard working, > strong pulling, great mileage choice. The downfall is that a well used > 4BT(not even the aftercooled BTA) is at least a couple thousand > dollars. > A custom built Ranger overdrive unit at $1500(there are 2 in the > world) > can be used to couple to the original SM420 tranny and with the 5.83 > diffs and 39 inch tall tires will allow a crusing RPM of 1900 at 60MPH. > > Perfect for the Cummins. > another choice is a modern overdrive manual tranny with custom adapters > or > the easiest choice but least strong is a 700R4 automatic built to the > gills to hold up to the torque. > Any of the above choices are way too costly for me so... > The original engine is a 215ci flathead 6 governed at 3200RPM and runs > into a 4 speed trans with a 1:1 output to a divorced transfer case. > The flathead puts out [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 94hp at 3400rpm200 above > the > governor. > I am not familiar enough to spout off #'s for the HP specs of a 5cyl > MBZ > diesel but I am certain they are better than that and I know they will > rev WAY higher so I would have no need for an overdriven > transmission.The MB auto would be perfect for the job. > The 6 would be nicer for the power but the 5 would fit much better(a > slant 6 Dodge motor will fit in one) and they are much more common in > the PnP yards around here. I can always pick up a rusty 300D for a few > hundred bucks here in the land of salt and rust. I plan on using it as > a commuter rather than a dedicated work truck now anyway. > > Mike > > > - > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge diesel conversions, Was: 300D Dodge Dakota
IIRC the na 617 is 90something hp and the turbo is around 120, not sure of the torque numbers. Seems like the torque numbers might be the tough side, I imagine though they're low hp the original 6 had good torque. Some time ago I postulated putting a 616 into a Jeep CJ3B. Both put out around 72hp but it was speculated that the added weight might not help with the 3b's economy any. I'm with you that the Mercedes engine will rev alot higher, 5500 IIRC. Is regearing the M37 not an option? How driveable at higher speeds do you think one of these would be? Meaning if the frontend was only designed for 55mph how would it do with 65? -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Phillip, I have done a ton of research and thinking on the best swap for the M37. The 4BTA is actually the very best choice as far as a hard working, strong pulling, great mileage choice. The downfall is that a well used 4BT(not even the aftercooled BTA) is at least a couple thousand dollars. A custom built Ranger overdrive unit at $1500(there are 2 in the world) can be used to couple to the original SM420 tranny and with the 5.83 diffs and 39 inch tall tires will allow a crusing RPM of 1900 at 60MPH. Perfect for the Cummins. another choice is a modern overdrive manual tranny with custom adapters or the easiest choice but least strong is a 700R4 automatic built to the gills to hold up to the torque. Any of the above choices are way too costly for me so... The original engine is a 215ci flathead 6 governed at 3200RPM and runs into a 4 speed trans with a 1:1 output to a divorced transfer case. The flathead puts out [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 94hp at 3400rpm200 above the governor. I am not familiar enough to spout off #'s for the HP specs of a 5cyl MBZ diesel but I am certain they are better than that and I know they will rev WAY higher so I would have no need for an overdriven transmission.The MB auto would be perfect for the job. The 6 would be nicer for the power but the 5 would fit much better(a slant 6 Dodge motor will fit in one) and they are much more common in the PnP yards around here. I can always pick up a rusty 300D for a few hundred bucks here in the land of salt and rust. I plan on using it as a commuter rather than a dedicated work truck now anyway. Mike - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
