Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
My Lincoln has the same settings as yours... There are loads of other factors involved in what settings to use but I've found that low/1 is really only good for sheet metal work once I've got metal of any real thickness I usually go to high/1, I've only used high/2 on a couple occasions welding 1/8 stock. I've also found I need WAY more wire speed than I first thought. Like you I spent a lot of time blowing holes in stuff. Its because there wasn't enough make up metal going in place. Higher wire speed fixes that. Of course it requires me to pay more attention so I don't get globs everywhere but I get much less blow through and get better penetration. As a test cut one of your welds back off (you do have an angle grinder right? ;) ) and see how far through the metal you've gotten. I did a repair on a tractor seat once which I thought was pretty good until I ground the slag off and found I'd just laid a bead on top of the crack... More power and more wire speed helped that. Like the others told me when I was first learning you need stick time... Oh and be careful, I've seen trampolines where the legs were galvanized. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. -Curt Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:55:07 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to) To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bought this 110A, 230V MIG welder from Harbor Freight a while back when it was on sale. I've tried it a few times on a few things, mostly just blew holes through what I was working on. Did manage to get a plate welded over a rusted out area on my mower deck, but it was ugly. Today, I decided to try to repair this trampoline that the kids have out back. It it made of tube steel and several of the original welds had rusted out and failed. Most were repairable but for one of the joints I decided to reinforce it with some plate steel since there was significant metal fatigue in the tubing. The welder is 35 - 110A adjustable, but it only has 4 actual settings, controlled by two toggle switches. One labeled High/Low the other 1/2 So, Low-1 is the lowest setting, then Low-2, then High-1, and High-2. The welder has a gas hookup but I'm using the flux core wire it came with. I finally figured out that one of my problems seem to be that I've been using WAY too much power on the stuff I've been trying to work on. On this work today I used the Low-1 setting and it was much more controllable. Also I found that using a zig-zag motion as I weld helps get a much nicer looking weld. By the time I got the trampoline frame back together I was actually making pretty good looking welds with the flux core wire, and was fairly pleased. I have an auto-darkening helmet (also a HF cheapie, but it seems to work just fine), and am wondering how dark these are supposed to be. With this one, I can see the arc but not much else, it's so dark. Aren't you at least supposed to be able to see where you're going? There's an adjustment on mine, but not sure how light I can go and still be safe. Haven't quite figured out the effect of wire speed yet; I've been using mine set fairly slow, about between 1/4 and 1/3 of maximum. The speed setting, unlike the amperage, is infinitely adjustable. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
we must have a similar Lincoln MIG = as with others I have the same problems = round glbs of weld with no penetration. Soounds like I need to increase the wire speed and increase the power -- Thx for the info = LarryT - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to) My Lincoln has the same settings as yours... There are loads of other factors involved in what settings to use but I've found that low/1 is really only good for sheet metal work once I've got metal of any real thickness I usually go to high/1, I've only used high/2 on a couple occasions welding 1/8 stock. I've also found I need WAY more wire speed than I first thought. Like you I spent a lot of time blowing holes in stuff. Its because there wasn't enough make up metal going in place. Higher wire speed fixes that. Of course it requires me to pay more attention so I don't get globs everywhere but I get much less blow through and get better penetration. As a test cut one of your welds back off (you do have an angle grinder right? ;) ) and see how far through the metal you've gotten. I did a repair on a tractor seat once which I thought was pretty good until I ground the slag off and found I'd just laid a bead on top of the crack... More power and more wire speed helped that. Like the others told me when I was first learning you need stick time... Oh and be careful, I've seen trampolines where the legs were galvanized. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. -Curt Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:55:07 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to) To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bought this 110A, 230V MIG welder from Harbor Freight a while back when it was on sale. I've tried it a few times on a few things, mostly just blew holes through what I was working on. Did manage to get a plate welded over a rusted out area on my mower deck, but it was ugly. Today, I decided to try to repair this trampoline that the kids have out back. It it made of tube steel and several of the original welds had rusted out and failed. Most were repairable but for one of the joints I decided to reinforce it with some plate steel since there was significant metal fatigue in the tubing. The welder is 35 - 110A adjustable, but it only has 4 actual settings, controlled by two toggle switches. One labeled High/Low the other 1/2 So, Low-1 is the lowest setting, then Low-2, then High-1, and High-2. The welder has a gas hookup but I'm using the flux core wire it came with. I finally figured out that one of my problems seem to be that I've been using WAY too much power on the stuff I've been trying to work on. On this work today I used the Low-1 setting and it was much more controllable. Also I found that using a zig-zag motion as I weld helps get a much nicer looking weld. By the time I got the trampoline frame back together I was actually making pretty good looking welds with the flux core wire, and was fairly pleased. I have an auto-darkening helmet (also a HF cheapie, but it seems to work just fine), and am wondering how dark these are supposed to be. With this one, I can see the arc but not much else, it's so dark. Aren't you at least supposed to be able to see where you're going? There's an adjustment on mine, but not sure how light I can go and still be safe. Haven't quite figured out the effect of wire speed yet; I've been using mine set fairly slow, about between 1/4 and 1/3 of maximum. The speed setting, unlike the amperage, is infinitely adjustable. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
Moving the arc in a figure-8 motion across the width of the weld is what I was taught for MIG. All welding helmets filter out the UV regardless of the darkness setting - that's what will give you cataracts. You can set the darkness level to whatever is comfortable. Use a thicker wire and higher power setting to get better penetration. Cover all exposed skin - not just your face. You will get a wicked sunburn otherwise. The UV goes right through light clothing. Don't let kids or pets anywhere near you when welding. They tend to stare at the arc. Even at a distance it can damage their retina. -Dave Walton On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought this 110A, 230V MIG welder from Harbor Freight a while back when it was on sale. I've tried it a few times on a few things, mostly just blew holes through what I was working on. Did manage to get a plate welded over a rusted out area on my mower deck, but it was ugly. Today, I decided to try to repair this trampoline that the kids have out back. It it made of tube steel and several of the original welds had rusted out and failed. Most were repairable but for one of the joints I decided to reinforce it with some plate steel since there was significant metal fatigue in the tubing. The welder is 35 - 110A adjustable, but it only has 4 actual settings, controlled by two toggle switches. One labeled High/Low the other 1/2 So, Low-1 is the lowest setting, then Low-2, then High-1, and High-2. The welder has a gas hookup but I'm using the flux core wire it came with. I finally figured out that one of my problems seem to be that I've been using WAY too much power on the stuff I've been trying to work on. On this work today I used the Low-1 setting and it was much more controllable. Also I found that using a zig-zag motion as I weld helps get a much nicer looking weld. By the time I got the trampoline frame back together I was actually making pretty good looking welds with the flux core wire, and was fairly pleased. I have an auto-darkening helmet (also a HF cheapie, but it seems to work just fine), and am wondering how dark these are supposed to be. With this one, I can see the arc but not much else, it's so dark. Aren't you at least supposed to be able to see where you're going? There's an adjustment on mine, but not sure how light I can go and still be safe. Haven't quite figured out the effect of wire speed yet; I've been using mine set fairly slow, about between 1/4 and 1/3 of maximum. The speed setting, unlike the amperage, is infinitely adjustable. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
Congrats. Wire welding (GMAW) is pretty easy once you figure out a few parameters. Making some practice welds first on scrap, and then testing the welds is important when you don't weld all the time. I learned to weld from an old Marine drill Sarg and it was a hoot. I can still lay down a pretty nice bead with sticks, but I do need to practice before doing anything serious. I only used wire in the class, because I have not had access to a machine since. I own 2 stick welders, so that is what I use. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. Not if you are like billybob clinton and don't inhale. Seriously, you can weld galvanized, but you need to make sure you don't breathe in the fumes. In normal repair jobs, a little won't hurt you. at least in the short term. I have had zinc inhalation poisoning once. It is no fun, but not as bad as the flu. I don't remember what I was building, but i remember it was welding galvanized pipe together, and I remember where it was and it was in early 1977. I was trying not to inhale, but for some of the welds, I wasn't able to get in a position without breathing some of the stuff. At 08:25 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: Oh and be careful, I've seen trampolines where the legs were galvanized. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. -Curt Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
Yeah thats what I ment. In small doses I believe its called a galvanized headache or some such. -Curt Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:03:05 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Congrats. Wire welding (GMAW) is pretty easy once you figure out a few parameters. Making some practice welds first on scrap, and then testing the welds is important when you don't weld all the time. I learned to weld from an old Marine drill Sarg and it was a hoot. I can still lay down a pretty nice bead with sticks, but I do need to practice before doing anything serious. I only used wire in the class, because I have not had access to a machine since. I own 2 stick welders, so that is what I use. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. Not if you are like billybob clinton and don't inhale. Seriously, you can weld galvanized, but you need to make sure you don't breathe in the fumes. In normal repair jobs, a little won't hurt you. at least in the short term. I have had zinc inhalation poisoning once. It is no fun, but not as bad as the flu. I don't remember what I was building, but i remember it was welding galvanized pipe together, and I remember where it was and it was in early 1977. I was trying not to inhale, but for some of the welds, I wasn't able to get in a position without breathing some of the stuff. At 08:25 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: Oh and be careful, I've seen trampolines where the legs were galvanized. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. -Curt Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
No long term damage that I can tell... that I can tell... that I can tell... that I can tell... that I can tell... that I can tell... ... other than a propensity to buy and fix on old Mercedes that I can tell... well, maybe not, because I already had that disease several years before inhaling zinc fumes Not that I can tell... At 10:08 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: Yeah thats what I ment. In small doses I believe its called a galvanized headache or some such. -Curt Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:03:05 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Congrats. Wire welding (GMAW) is pretty easy once you figure out a few parameters. Making some practice welds first on scrap, and then testing the welds is important when you don't weld all the time. I learned to weld from an old Marine drill Sarg and it was a hoot. I can still lay down a pretty nice bead with sticks, but I do need to practice before doing anything serious. I only used wire in the class, because I have not had access to a machine since. I own 2 stick welders, so that is what I use. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. Not if you are like billybob clinton and don't inhale. Seriously, you can weld galvanized, but you need to make sure you don't breathe in the fumes. In normal repair jobs, a little won't hurt you. at least in the short term. I have had zinc inhalation poisoning once. It is no fun, but not as bad as the flu. I don't remember what I was building, but i remember it was welding galvanized pipe together, and I remember where it was and it was in early 1977. I was trying not to inhale, but for some of the welds, I wasn't able to get in a position without breathing some of the stuff. At 08:25 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: Oh and be careful, I've seen trampolines where the legs were galvanized. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. -Curt Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As a test cut one of your welds back off (you do have an angle grinder right? ;) ) Nope. On the list for soon. Oh and be careful, I've seen trampolines where the legs were galvanized. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. These are; I had a box fan behind me to blow the smoke away. Also tried not to take any deep breaths when I was actively welding. I did not get any headaches or other symptoms. The breeze might have been a problem had I been using gas but did not seem to bother the flux core at all. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
For light duty use the HF cheapies would probably be acceptable. A friend of mine picked up two Dewalt's for the price of one not long ago, fine deal. My Makita was expensive but seems extremely well made. An angle grinder is pretty much required for any serious work, your flux core wire will leave a lot of slag on the weld which needs to be ground off before paint. -Curt Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:46:42 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As a test cut one of your welds back off (you do have an angle grinder right? ;) ) Nope. On the list for soon. Oh and be careful, I've seen trampolines where the legs were galvanized. Welding galvanized metal releases zinc gas which can make you real sick real quick. These are; I had a box fan behind me to blow the smoke away. Also tried not to take any deep breaths when I was actively welding. I did not get any headaches or other symptoms. The breeze might have been a problem had I been using gas but did not seem to bother the flux core at all. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As a test cut one of your welds back off (you do have an angle grinder right? ;) ) Nope. On the list for soon. In the words of my son-in-law A grinder is a welder's best friend... Royce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I learn to weld (well better than I used to)
I bought this 110A, 230V MIG welder from Harbor Freight a while back when it was on sale. I've tried it a few times on a few things, mostly just blew holes through what I was working on. Did manage to get a plate welded over a rusted out area on my mower deck, but it was ugly. Today, I decided to try to repair this trampoline that the kids have out back. It it made of tube steel and several of the original welds had rusted out and failed. Most were repairable but for one of the joints I decided to reinforce it with some plate steel since there was significant metal fatigue in the tubing. The welder is 35 - 110A adjustable, but it only has 4 actual settings, controlled by two toggle switches. One labeled High/Low the other 1/2 So, Low-1 is the lowest setting, then Low-2, then High-1, and High-2. The welder has a gas hookup but I'm using the flux core wire it came with. I finally figured out that one of my problems seem to be that I've been using WAY too much power on the stuff I've been trying to work on. On this work today I used the Low-1 setting and it was much more controllable. Also I found that using a zig-zag motion as I weld helps get a much nicer looking weld. By the time I got the trampoline frame back together I was actually making pretty good looking welds with the flux core wire, and was fairly pleased. I have an auto-darkening helmet (also a HF cheapie, but it seems to work just fine), and am wondering how dark these are supposed to be. With this one, I can see the arc but not much else, it's so dark. Aren't you at least supposed to be able to see where you're going? There's an adjustment on mine, but not sure how light I can go and still be safe. Haven't quite figured out the effect of wire speed yet; I've been using mine set fairly slow, about between 1/4 and 1/3 of maximum. The speed setting, unlike the amperage, is infinitely adjustable. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
