Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
IIRC C Sean Watts on peachparts does them within 3 bar. -Rolf On 01/08/2010 10:16 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: One last quote on injector tolerances: All of the injectors should be within 5 bar of one another (the tolerable window for new or rebuilt injectors from Bosch is 10 bar). Getting the injectors closer than that (within 1 or 2 bar) will smooth the idle a bit more, but that's a LOT of work. I seem to recall that the standard shim increment changes pressure by 3 bar. To get closer than that the shims need to be ground by hand. Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
I've had 3 cups of Joe already - that helps! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > My recollection is Booth spec is 5 bar for a smooth idle, but allowed > factory range for a new or used injector is 10 bar. Booth spec for > super smooth is 3 bar or less. Sounds like your memory was better: A diesel engine will NOT idle smoothly if the injector pop pressures exceed a 5 bar range. With the pressure matched even closer (2-3 bar) the engine will idle even more smoothly (providing everything else is working as it should). Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: One last quote on injector tolerances: All of the injectors should be within 5 bar of one another (the tolerable window for new or rebuilt injectors from Bosch is 10 bar). Getting the injectors closer than that (within 1 or 2 bar) will smooth the idle a bit more, but that's a LOT of work. I seem to recall that the standard shim increment changes pressure by 3 bar. To get closer than that the shims need to be ground by hand. Marshall When I order injectors from Yankee, they are typically matched to within 2 bar of one another. The result is well worth it and it will show on a healthy motor that is properly maintained. Idle quality, power, and overall efficiency are greatly affected by injector characteristics. Having worked for Yankee during my college years, I can say that when he matches them to that tolerance, 2 bar variance, he often has to hand grind the shims. It costs more for that level of tolerance, but it is well worth it. Rebuilding injectors is not difficult, but it is an art that is honed with time. It is a tedious task to make the injectors perform optimally, a task very few are willing to invest the time into. Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com 404-550-8000 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Mon-Fri ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Matt - welcome back! I haven't seen any email traffic from you in a long time... -Max Max, There was this flood that happened back in September you could say it disrupted our lives a bit. Glad to still be here and be able to type. It was a close one. Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
One last quote on injector tolerances: All of the injectors should be within 5 bar of one another (the tolerable window for new or rebuilt injectors from Bosch is 10 bar). Getting the injectors closer than that (within 1 or 2 bar) will smooth the idle a bit more, but that's a LOT of work. I seem to recall that the standard shim increment changes pressure by 3 bar. To get closer than that the shims need to be ground by hand. Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: My recollection is Booth spec is 5 bar for a smooth idle, but allowed factory range for a new or used injector is 10 bar. Booth spec for super smooth is 3 bar or less. Sounds like your memory was better: A diesel engine will NOT idle smoothly if the injector pop pressures exceed a 5 bar range. With the pressure matched even closer (2-3 bar) the engine will idle even more smoothly (providing everything else is working as it should). Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
My recollection is Booth spec is 5 bar for a smooth idle, but allowed factory range for a new or used injector is 10 bar. Booth spec for super smooth is 3 bar or less. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > They pop-tested while I waited > (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell > within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. IIRC, the book range is 3 bar, and Herr Doktor Booth suggested that the engine ran smoothest if they balanced within one bar. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
I've used one other kit from Mercedes source (124 blower motor), and found it to be pretty close to 'as advertised'; I think they do a good job but I've only got one experience. This one is at least missing a good solvent for cleaning the injectors, and I'd verify the claims about the Monarch nozzles independently (Yankee sounds like a great place to ask). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Found this for my '91 300D - http://www.mercedessource.com/node/6018 the improvement claims sound amazing - anyone here try this? LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "David Hemsley" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:47 AM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance > Check Mercedessource.com they have an excellent kit for doing this. > Dave H... >[snip] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Matt - welcome back! I haven't seen any email traffic from you in a long time... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mathieu J. Cama Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Dr. Brian Carey wrote: > I've used Yankee Diesel. They are great, have very sophisticated > equipment for rebuilding injectors. > > Yankee Diesel Inc > > 220 S Main St, Newtown, CT, 06470 > > (203) 364-1275 You won't go wrong with Yankee. After 20 years I have yet to have a single complaint with any of his work. Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com 404-550-8000 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Mon-Fri ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Dr. Brian Carey wrote: I've used Yankee Diesel. They are great, have very sophisticated equipment for rebuilding injectors. Yankee Diesel Inc 220 S Main St, Newtown, CT, 06470 (203) 364-1275 You won't go wrong with Yankee. After 20 years I have yet to have a single complaint with any of his work. Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com 404-550-8000 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Mon-Fri ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
I have all the test equipment here, which I use to check my own injectors but I sure as heck would not do any rebuilding, even my own. I have been testing mine for years but I do not feel I have enough experience to rebuild them right. I send mine off to be done. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Philip, Last time I went down this route, I ordered a set of rebuilt Bosch from www.buymbparts.com and took them to local independent garage (Star Motors) that supports our MBCA chapter. They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. I think they charged me $30 or some such. My plan was to have them balanced if required at the local Bosch shop for $15 per, 1 day turn-around. Local Bosch shop could not do pop-test while I waited, that's why I went to the independent. OM617.95x injectors are more complex than OM60x (unless they changed the design since I looked into it), and once I dug into the actual pop-testing procedures it became clear that a certain amount of experience and skill is required to evaluate the test results and know what to do when you get a bad result. I too dream about having my own test set-up, but I think there's a learning curve that goes with it and so more personal time, of which I don't have enough of at the moment. I'd rather pay a competent person/shop to do it for me. -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Found this for my '91 300D - http://www.mercedessource.com/node/6018 the improvement claims sound amazing - anyone here try this? LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "David Hemsley" Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:47 AM To: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Check Mercedessource.com they have an excellent kit for doing this. Dave H... [snip] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. IIRC, the book range is 3 bar, and Herr Doktor Booth suggested that the engine ran smoothest if they balanced within one bar. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Philip, Last time I went down this route, I ordered a set of rebuilt Bosch from www.buymbparts.com and took them to local independent garage (Star Motors) that supports our MBCA chapter. They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. I think they charged me $30 or some such. My plan was to have them balanced if required at the local Bosch shop for $15 per, 1 day turn-around. Local Bosch shop could not do pop-test while I waited, that's why I went to the independent. OM617.95x injectors are more complex than OM60x (unless they changed the design since I looked into it), and once I dug into the actual pop-testing procedures it became clear that a certain amount of experience and skill is required to evaluate the test results and know what to do when you get a bad result. I too dream about having my own test set-up, but I think there's a learning curve that goes with it and so more personal time, of which I don't have enough of at the moment. I'd rather pay a competent person/shop to do it for me. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:11 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Isn't there a list member that rebuilds and adjusts diesel injectors? Christopher McCann maybe? I'd really like to build a pop tester and do the job myself - but I need the injectors now. Anyones memory better than mine? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Check Mercedessource.com they have an excellent kit for doing this. Dave H... > From: harry...@bellsouth.net > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:05:02 -0600 > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance > > Joe knight on the west coast was set up to do it, had a supply of shims. > I'm not sure he ever did it for others, but not sure. His email WAS > jskni...@gmail.com or j...@jsandctk.com > > Nice guy, he helped me many times. > > Harry > > - Original Message - > From: "Fmiser" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:11 PM > Subject: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance > > > > Isn't there a list member that rebuilds and adjusts diesel injectors? > > > > Christopher McCann maybe? > > > > I'd really like to build a pop tester and do the job myself - > > but I need the injectors now. > > > > Anyones memory better than mine? > > > > -- Philip > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
> Redghost wrote: > Chris did mine. Thanks Clay. And others. I can wait a few days, and I like supporting "locals". I'll contact Chris and go from there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
they rebuilt my injection pump years ago. i'd agree with brian On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Dr. Brian Carey wrote: > I've used Yankee Diesel. They are great, have very sophisticated equipment > for rebuilding injectors. > > Yankee Diesel Inc > > 220 S Main St, Newtown, CT, 06470 > > (203) 364-1275 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
I've used Yankee Diesel. They are great, have very sophisticated equipment for rebuilding injectors. Yankee Diesel Inc 220 S Main St, Newtown, CT, 06470 (203) 364-1275 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Chris did mine. He does a SUPERIOR job and I have been loving driving Gump since he got them back to me. Very reasonable fee, and he is fast enough. If you need REALLY fast, maybe a shop can get them turned around a day or two faster than Chris McCann clay On Jan 7, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Fmiser wrote: Isn't there a list member that rebuilds and adjusts diesel injectors? Christopher McCann maybe? I'd really like to build a pop tester and do the job myself - but I need the injectors now. Anyones memory better than mine? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Joe knight on the west coast was set up to do it, had a supply of shims. I'm not sure he ever did it for others, but not sure. His email WAS jskni...@gmail.com or j...@jsandctk.com Nice guy, he helped me many times. Harry - Original Message - From: "Fmiser" To: Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Isn't there a list member that rebuilds and adjusts diesel injectors? Christopher McCann maybe? I'd really like to build a pop tester and do the job myself - but I need the injectors now. Anyones memory better than mine? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Isn't there a list member that rebuilds and adjusts diesel injectors? Christopher McCann maybe? I'd really like to build a pop tester and do the job myself - but I need the injectors now. Anyones memory better than mine? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
