[MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Kris Gilmore]

>SOUTH KITSAP
>
>A 66-year-old man shot himself in both his legs 
>Saturday afternoon while trying to loosen a 
>stubborn lug nut with a 12-gauge shotgun.
>
>Kitsap County sheriff's deputies were called to 
>the residence on the 10800 block of SE Olympiad 
>Drive at 2:57 p.m. after the shooting was 
>reported to 911 emergency dispatchers, said 
>Deputy Scott Wilson, a sheriff's office spokesman.
>
>"Nobody else was there and he wasn't intoxicated," Wilson said.
>
>South Kitsap Fire and Rescue medics treated the 
>man at the scene. He was taken to Tacoma General 
>Hospital. Wilson said his injuries were "severe but not life-threatening."
>
>Deputies at the scene reported the man blasted 
>"double-ought" buckshot at the wheel from "arm's length," Wilson said.
>
>The deputies described the man's legs as 
>"peppered" from his feet to his mid-abdomen with 
>pellets, pieces of the wheel and other debris. 
>Some injuries went as far up as his chin.
>
>The man had been repairing the Lincoln 
>Continental for two weeks, and had removed all 
>the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one.
>
>"He's bound and determined to get that lug nut 
>off," Wilson said, who did not know how long the 
>man had been trying to free the lug nut.
>
>The deputies did not take a statement from the 
>man beyond what they were able to gather while he was being treated by medics.
>
>"I don't think he was in any condition to say 
>anything," Wilson said. "The pain was so severe, and the shock."
>
>E.W. Scripps Co. 
>© 2007 Kitsap Sun

  Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

  My other auto is a .45
   



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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[R A Bennell]

But they don't say if he got the wheel off. They say he was hit by debris from 
the wheel but do not say if he was
successful.
I really hope the poor devil got the wheel off so he doesn't have to do that 
again. (But I do understand his
frustration. I've been tempted on occasion to do things I know I will regret 
when working on vehicles.)

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake



>SOUTH KITSAP
>
>A 66-year-old man shot himself in both his legs
>Saturday afternoon while trying to loosen a
>stubborn lug nut with a 12-gauge shotgun.
>
>Kitsap County sheriff's deputies were called to
>the residence on the 10800 block of SE Olympiad
>Drive at 2:57 p.m. after the shooting was
>reported to 911 emergency dispatchers, said
>Deputy Scott Wilson, a sheriff's office spokesman.
>
>"Nobody else was there and he wasn't intoxicated," Wilson said.
>
>South Kitsap Fire and Rescue medics treated the
>man at the scene. He was taken to Tacoma General
>Hospital. Wilson said his injuries were "severe but not life-threatening."
>
>Deputies at the scene reported the man blasted
>"double-ought" buckshot at the wheel from "arm's length," Wilson said.
>
>The deputies described the man's legs as
>"peppered" from his feet to his mid-abdomen with
>pellets, pieces of the wheel and other debris.
>Some injuries went as far up as his chin.
>
>The man had been repairing the Lincoln
>Continental for two weeks, and had removed all
>the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one.
>
>"He's bound and determined to get that lug nut
>off," Wilson said, who did not know how long the
>man had been trying to free the lug nut.
>
>The deputies did not take a statement from the
>man beyond what they were able to gather while he was being treated by medics.
>
>"I don't think he was in any condition to say
>anything," Wilson said. "The pain was so severe, and the shock."
>
>E.W. Scripps Co. <http://www.scripps.com>
>© 2007 Kitsap Sun

  Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

  My other auto is a .45




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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Mitch Haley]

> >The man had been repairing the Lincoln
> >Continental for two weeks, and had removed all
> >the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one.

I'd rather put the others back on loose, put a long breaker bar
on the stuck nut, and drive forward. (assuming I were that
desperate)

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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[EDWARD DENNIS]

Hi,
  As a grease rack apprentice at Z-Frank Chevrolet service center I rotated 
tires at least twice a day. Every one of the lug nuts was brushed with white 
grease. That was 1965 and I always do the grease on all lugs. We did not torque 
back then and never had a complaint of loose or tight. 
  Ed in Chicago

R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  But they don't say if he got the wheel off. They say he was hit by debris 
from the wheel but do not say if he was
successful.
I really hope the poor devil got the wheel off so he doesn't have to do that 
again. (But I do understand his
frustration. I've been tempted on occasion to do things I know I will regret 
when working on vehicles.)

Randy

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Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:49 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake



>SOUTH KITSAP
>
>A 66-year-old man shot himself in both his legs
>Saturday afternoon while trying to loosen a
>stubborn lug nut with a 12-gauge shotgun.
>
>Kitsap County sheriff's deputies were called to
>the residence on the 10800 block of SE Olympiad
>Drive at 2:57 p.m. after the shooting was
>reported to 911 emergency dispatchers, said
>Deputy Scott Wilson, a sheriff's office spokesman.
>
>"Nobody else was there and he wasn't intoxicated," Wilson said.
>
>South Kitsap Fire and Rescue medics treated the
>man at the scene. He was taken to Tacoma General
>Hospital. Wilson said his injuries were "severe but not life-threatening."
>
>Deputies at the scene reported the man blasted
>"double-ought" buckshot at the wheel from "arm's length," Wilson said.
>
>The deputies described the man's legs as
>"peppered" from his feet to his mid-abdomen with
>pellets, pieces of the wheel and other debris.
>Some injuries went as far up as his chin.
>
>The man had been repairing the Lincoln
>Continental for two weeks, and had removed all
>the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one.
>
>"He's bound and determined to get that lug nut
>off," Wilson said, who did not know how long the
>man had been trying to free the lug nut.
>
>The deputies did not take a statement from the
>man beyond what they were able to gather while he was being treated by medics.
>
>"I don't think he was in any condition to say
>anything," Wilson said. "The pain was so severe, and the shock."
>
>E.W. Scripps Co. 
>© 2007 Kitsap Sun

Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

My other auto is a .45




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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[John M McIntosh]

As a teenager I recall removal of a single lug nut from a 69 cadillac  
out on the farm that took all day.

After rounding the nut off via crude use of vice-grips and a 4 foot  
length of piping, I believe we resorted to using a hack saw and cold  
chisel to split the nut.
Sadly there was no welding torch handy otherwise we would have tried a  
bit of heat first.  No guns, but likely one would have been used on the
idiot who air torqued it to infinity and beyond when they had  
installed the new tires.



Now I have only knowledgeable folks install lug nuts with a torque  
wrench, and then I double-check them when I get the vehicle home.

On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:58 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

> But they don't say if he got the wheel off. They say he was hit by  
> debris from the wheel but do not say if he was
> successful.
> I really hope the poor devil got the wheel off so he doesn't have to  
> do that again. (But I do understand his
> frustration. I've been tempted on occasion to do things I know I  
> will regret when working on vehicles.)
>
> Randy

John
1983 300TDt  385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  214k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)



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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Jim Cathey]

> They say he was hit by debris from the wheel but
> do not say if he was successful.

Having spent one pleasant afternoon shooting the crap
out of a junker car with my family, I am skeptical that
there was anything but lead spatter involved.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[OK Don]

Ah - but we're talking about a Frod here ---

On Dec 4, 2007 8:01 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They say he was hit by debris from the wheel but
> > do not say if he was successful.
>
> Having spent one pleasant afternoon shooting the crap
> out of a junker car with my family, I am skeptical that
> there was anything but lead spatter involved.
>
> -- Jim

-- 
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:
> 
> Ah - but we're talking about a Frod here ---

And likely with aluminum wheels.

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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Bill]

...Unless the lug nut is on the other side of the car.   Even then probably
less overall damage than the shotgun.
BillR
Jacksonville FL

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> >The man had been repairing the Lincoln
> >Continental for two weeks, and had removed all
> >the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one.

I'd rather put the others back on loose, put a long breaker bar
on the stuck nut, and drive forward. (assuming I were that
desperate)

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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Alex Chamberlain]

Huh?  Wouldn't you just drive backwards then for the same effect?

Alex

On Dec 6, 2007 5:34 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...Unless the lug nut is on the other side of the car.   Even then probably
> less overall damage than the shotgun.
> BillR
> Jacksonville FL
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
>
> > >The man had been repairing the Lincoln
> > >Continental for two weeks, and had removed all
> > >the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one.
>
> I'd rather put the others back on loose, put a long breaker bar
> on the stuck nut, and drive forward. (assuming I were that
> desperate)
>

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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> 
> Huh?  Wouldn't you just drive backwards then for the same effect?

Ya know, I'm beginning to give serious thought to the construction
of a 'skid wrench' for emergency tire changes. It should be about 
3' long, very stiff, and have something at the end to keep it from
digging into the ground. 

And yes, if it's on the left side of the car, you drive backwards,
unless it's a 60's Mopar or a 70's Mazda. My brother had an old
(maybe '72-74) Mazda pickup (piston engine). I had quite a time
with the lug nuts, until I noticed that one of the left nuts moved
a bit and then seemed to get tighter. A careful inspection of the
exposed threads on the stud confirmed that it had left hand threads
on the left wheels. Did the Ford Courier have lefty lugs, or just
the Mazda badged ones?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Bill Ringgold]

Alex - that was an attempt at a joke.  Points out how great a percentage of 
what we communicate is tone, inflection, and body language.
BillR 

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Huh?  Wouldn't you just drive backwards then for the same effect?

Alex

On Dec 6, 2007 5:34 AM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...Unless the lug nut is on the other side of the car.   Even then probably
> less overall damage than the shotgun.
> BillR
> Jacksonville FL
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 6:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake
>
> > >The man had been repairing the Lincoln
> > >Continental for two weeks, and had removed all
> > >the lug nuts on the right rear wheel except for one.
>
> I'd rather put the others back on loose, put a long breaker bar
> on the stuck nut, and drive forward. (assuming I were that
> desperate)
>

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Re: [MBZ] Lug nut removal mistake

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Dec 6, 2007 11:52 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And yes, if it's on the left side of the car, you drive backwards,
> unless it's a 60's Mopar or a 70's Mazda.
>

Or a Rolls, IIRC.  (Maybe not now that they are owned by BMW...)

Alex Chamberlain

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