Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Thats what I am wanting to know.  I  have seen these deals on ebay complete 
with laptop etc for 4k or more.  If I can get software to run on my laptop 
and whatever cable is needed, thats what I would like to do.

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- Original Message - 
From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??


 On 9/6/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Computers are fine and rarely fail. Senders rarely fail, although I did 
 have
 a right side knock sensor that was bad when I got the car. Wiring 
 harness's
 are shit on the 1992-1995 S-Class. Ya'd think that for what they charged 
 for
 the thing when new the wiring wouldn't deteriorate.

 Jim

 I'm still wondering where you get the software to run on the laptop to
 interrogate the codes (rather than count flashes) and the adapter
 needed, how much it costs, and whether it's a better deal than a
 Snap-On 2500 (which I've been eyeing as a way to scan all my pre-OBD2
 cars with one box).

 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo et al.

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[MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread E M
Hi Everyone,

A friend just bought a 1990 300SL that needs some work.  Soft top and a few
other small things.  He is having a hard time finding manuals online for the
1990.  He can find them for the 1989, but no luck with the later car.
Anyone have a lind or can point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance,
Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 9/6/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A friend just bought a 1990 300SL that needs some work.  Soft top and a few
 other small things.  He is having a hard time finding manuals online for the
 1990.  He can find them for the 1989, but no luck with the later car.
 Anyone have a lind or can point me in the right direction.


I'm curious too whether there is an FSM for the R129.  I know they are
notoriously just as complicated and wallet-draining as the W140, so my
only hope of ever owning one is if I can DIY on it.

(What I'd REALLY like is a W124 convertible, but those seem to trade
at ridiculous prices---more than 500Es!)

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread James Zavesky
I do all my own work on our cars, even after my back operation. Our 1991
500SL is easier to work on than our 1992 600SEL. Our 500SL doesn't have
traction control (ASR) which is perfect for that chassis. On the 500SL the
major problems are the oil tubes in the engine, hydraulic latches in the A
pillar fot the convertible top and the wiring harness's. The 500SL is a
piece of cake to work on compared to the 600SEL. So I guess it's all
relative. To work on either buy the Dvd from the dealer for that particular
chassis, a decent set of tools and a code scanner.

James Zavesky 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:39 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
 On 9/6/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A friend just bought a 1990 300SL that needs some work.  Soft top and a
 few
  other small things.  He is having a hard time finding manuals online for
 the
  1990.  He can find them for the 1989, but no luck with the later car.
  Anyone have a lind or can point me in the right direction.
 
 
 I'm curious too whether there is an FSM for the R129.  I know they are
 notoriously just as complicated and wallet-draining as the W140, so my
 only hope of ever owning one is if I can DIY on it.
 
 (What I'd REALLY like is a W124 convertible, but those seem to trade
 at ridiculous prices---more than 500Es!)
 
 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo et al.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 9/6/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To work on either buy the Dvd from the dealer for that particular
 chassis, a decent set of tools and a code scanner.

So there is a DVD available for the R129?  What's the content
like---scans from the printed manuals like the CD-ROMs for the older
chassis, or something else?

What kind of code scanner do you have?  Everything I've seen that
works with pre-OBDII Mercedes seems to be aimed at professionals and
priced accordingly.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
So you do your own work on the 600?  Had a computer go out yet?

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- Original Message - 
From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??


I do all my own work on our cars, even after my back operation. Our 1991
 500SL is easier to work on than our 1992 600SEL. Our 500SL doesn't have
 traction control (ASR) which is perfect for that chassis. On the 500SL the
 major problems are the oil tubes in the engine, hydraulic latches in the 
 A
 pillar fot the convertible top and the wiring harness's. The 500SL is a
 piece of cake to work on compared to the 600SEL. So I guess it's all
 relative. To work on either buy the Dvd from the dealer for that 
 particular
 chassis, a decent set of tools and a code scanner.

 James Zavesky

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:39 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

 On 9/6/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A friend just bought a 1990 300SL that needs some work.  Soft top and a
 few
  other small things.  He is having a hard time finding manuals online 
  for
 the
  1990.  He can find them for the 1989, but no luck with the later car.
  Anyone have a lind or can point me in the right direction.
 

 I'm curious too whether there is an FSM for the R129.  I know they are
 notoriously just as complicated and wallet-draining as the W140, so my
 only hope of ever owning one is if I can DIY on it.

 (What I'd REALLY like is a W124 convertible, but those seem to trade
 at ridiculous prices---more than 500Es!)

 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread John Freer
That would be computer(s), one for each 6 cylinder engine!

On 9/6/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So you do your own work on the 600?  Had a computer go out yet?

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 Cox Auto Trader
 730 FSBO Supervisor

 - Original Message -
 From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??


 I do all my own work on our cars, even after my back operation. Our 1991
  500SL is easier to work on than our 1992 600SEL. Our 500SL doesn't have
  traction control (ASR) which is perfect for that chassis. On the 500SL
 the
  major problems are the oil tubes in the engine, hydraulic latches in the
  A
  pillar fot the convertible top and the wiring harness's. The 500SL is a
  piece of cake to work on compared to the 600SEL. So I guess it's all
  relative. To work on either buy the Dvd from the dealer for that
  particular
  chassis, a decent set of tools and a code scanner.
 
  James Zavesky
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:39 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
  On 9/6/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   A friend just bought a 1990 300SL that needs some work.  Soft top and
 a
  few
   other small things.  He is having a hard time finding manuals online
   for
  the
   1990.  He can find them for the 1989, but no luck with the later car.
   Anyone have a lind or can point me in the right direction.
  
 
  I'm curious too whether there is an FSM for the R129.  I know they are
  notoriously just as complicated and wallet-draining as the W140, so my
  only hope of ever owning one is if I can DIY on it.
 
  (What I'd REALLY like is a W124 convertible, but those seem to trade
  at ridiculous prices---more than 500Es!)
 
  Alex Chamberlain
  '87 300D Turbo et al.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread James Zavesky
There are two ECU's one for each ETA. Everything else there are one of -
ASR, ASD, Transmission, etc

Jim

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of John Freer
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:24 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
 That would be computer(s), one for each 6 cylinder engine!
 
 On 9/6/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  So you do your own work on the 600?  Had a computer go out yet?
 
  ---
  Kaleb C. Striplin
  Cox Auto Trader
  730 FSBO Supervisor
 
  - Original Message -
  From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
 
  I do all my own work on our cars, even after my back operation. Our
 1991
   500SL is easier to work on than our 1992 600SEL. Our 500SL doesn't
 have
   traction control (ASR) which is perfect for that chassis. On the 500SL
  the
   major problems are the oil tubes in the engine, hydraulic latches in
 the
   A
   pillar fot the convertible top and the wiring harness's. The 500SL is
 a
   piece of cake to work on compared to the 600SEL. So I guess it's all
   relative. To work on either buy the Dvd from the dealer for that
   particular
   chassis, a decent set of tools and a code scanner.
  
   James Zavesky
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
   Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:39 PM
   To: Mercedes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
  
   On 9/6/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A friend just bought a 1990 300SL that needs some work.  Soft top
 and
  a
   few
other small things.  He is having a hard time finding manuals
 online
for
   the
1990.  He can find them for the 1989, but no luck with the later
 car.
Anyone have a lind or can point me in the right direction.
   
  
   I'm curious too whether there is an FSM for the R129.  I know they
 are
   notoriously just as complicated and wallet-draining as the W140, so
 my
   only hope of ever owning one is if I can DIY on it.
  
   (What I'd REALLY like is a W124 convertible, but those seem to trade
   at ridiculous prices---more than 500Es!)
  
   Alex Chamberlain
   '87 300D Turbo et al.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread James Zavesky
Both our cars are ODB1 so I had a Snap On 2500 scanner, sold it when I got
the Mercedes DAS software for a spare laptop. You can pull the same codes
with a Led light and some wires it's just that I suck at counting led
flashes, pretty good at reading GUI interfaces. ;)

The Dvd is a digital copy of the paper manuals. I usually pull up whatever
I'm working on, print it out and head outside with the printed instructions
and picture of what I'm working on.

Jim

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:19 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
 On 9/6/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To work on either buy the Dvd from the dealer for that particular
  chassis, a decent set of tools and a code scanner.
 
 So there is a DVD available for the R129?  What's the content
 like---scans from the printed manuals like the CD-ROMs for the older
 chassis, or something else?
 
 What kind of code scanner do you have?  Everything I've seen that
 works with pre-OBDII Mercedes seems to be aimed at professionals and
 priced accordingly.
 
 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo
 
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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
So, do you work on that thing yourself?

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- Original Message - 
From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??


 There are two ECU's one for each ETA. Everything else there are one of -
 ASR, ASD, Transmission, etc
 
 Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
OK, so tell me about this DAS software etc.  How do you hook it up to the 
car?

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- Original Message - 
From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??


 Both our cars are ODB1 so I had a Snap On 2500 scanner, sold it when I got
 the Mercedes DAS software for a spare laptop. You can pull the same codes
 with a Led light and some wires it's just that I suck at counting led
 flashes, pretty good at reading GUI interfaces. ;)

 The Dvd is a digital copy of the paper manuals. I usually pull up whatever
 I'm working on, print it out and head outside with the printed 
 instructions
 and picture of what I'm working on.

 Jim

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:19 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

 On 9/6/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To work on either buy the Dvd from the dealer for that particular
  chassis, a decent set of tools and a code scanner.

 So there is a DVD available for the R129?  What's the content
 like---scans from the printed manuals like the CD-ROMs for the older
 chassis, or something else?

 What kind of code scanner do you have?  Everything I've seen that
 works with pre-OBDII Mercedes seems to be aimed at professionals and
 priced accordingly.

 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread James Zavesky
Yes

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 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:13 PM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
 So, do you work on that thing yourself?
 
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 730 FSBO Supervisor
 
 - Original Message -
 From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
 
  There are two ECU's one for each ETA. Everything else there are one of -
  ASR, ASD, Transmission, etc
 
  Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread John Robbins
James Zavesky wrote:
 You've never been to a Mercedes dealership and had them hook their laptop up
 to your car?

ROTFLMAO  You do know you're talking to Kaleb right?


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Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??

2007-09-06 Thread James Zavesky
Computers are fine and rarely fail. Senders rarely fail, although I did have
a right side knock sensor that was bad when I got the car. Wiring harness's
are shit on the 1992-1995 S-Class. Ya'd think that for what they charged for
the thing when new the wiring wouldn't deteriorate.

Jim



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:23 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
 So you do your own work on the 600?  Had a computer go out yet?
 
 ---
 Kaleb C. Striplin
 Cox Auto Trader
 730 FSBO Supervisor
 
 - Original Message -
 From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
 
 I do all my own work on our cars, even after my back operation. Our 1991
  500SL is easier to work on than our 1992 600SEL. Our 500SL doesn't have
  traction control (ASR) which is perfect for that chassis. On the 500SL
 the
  major problems are the oil tubes in the engine, hydraulic latches in the
  A
  pillar fot the convertible top and the wiring harness's. The 500SL is a
  piece of cake to work on compared to the 600SEL. So I guess it's all
  relative. To work on either buy the Dvd from the dealer for that
  particular
  chassis, a decent set of tools and a code scanner.
 
  James Zavesky
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:39 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
 
  On 9/6/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   A friend just bought a 1990 300SL that needs some work.  Soft top and
 a
  few
   other small things.  He is having a hard time finding manuals online
   for
  the
   1990.  He can find them for the 1989, but no luck with the later car.
   Anyone have a lind or can point me in the right direction.
  
 
  I'm curious too whether there is an FSM for the R129.  I know they are
  notoriously just as complicated and wallet-draining as the W140, so my
  only hope of ever owning one is if I can DIY on it.
 
  (What I'd REALLY like is a W124 convertible, but those seem to trade
  at ridiculous prices---more than 500Es!)
 
  Alex Chamberlain
  '87 300D Turbo et al.
 
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