Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I got my introduction into how badly we have treated native Americans and their condition in Tuba City, AZ. I had heard the requisite stories about alcoholism and unemployment on reservations, but working with the Hopi Nation for a month, effectively embedded with them, really opened my eyes to their plight and that of all Native Americans. I will say that they were very gracious and welcoming, and went to great lengths to share their culture with me. It made me feel pretty humble, for sure. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:43 PM, G Mann wrote: > > On the subject of drug use or alcohol use.. as wise man once told me > "Self abuse is still the most popular form of self entertainment." > > It seems to ring true with every addiction, regardless of the material of > choice.. > > A great part of the land mass of Arizona is Indian Reservation ... a very > drunk Hopi once told me... as I tried to assist him out of the middle of a > busy street where he had decided to "take a nap", that "With the first drink, > the spirit comes out of the bottle into the man.. every drink after that the > spirit comes out of the man into the bottle." ... > > I'm pretty sure this mans bottle was full of spirit... Yet another ruined > life.. > > I think we need to offer a surrender in the "war on drugs" ... we lost. > > > >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> I would suggest that there are people suffering from advanced alcoholism who >> can fare no better, nor are functional in any sense of the word. It's a >> "tomato - tomatoe" thing. >> >> In either case the severity of the affliction is clearly evident. As addled >> as their brains might be, I would posit that they're in far better health >> than someone suffering from advanced alcoholism... >> >> However, I am neither doctor nor a medical researcher, and this boils down >> to a matter of semantics. Neither conditions are acceptable from a >> standpoint of quality of life. Given the choice I would rather my brain be >> addled than my liver trashed, but that's merely a matter of personal >> preference. Having seen a family member die of advanced liver disease >> brought on by alcoholism, I found it a horrible, lingering, painful way to >> die that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I'm not sure anyone has died from >> marijuana abuse/ingestion, and if they have, it was probably due to >> excessive consumption of food (munchies.) >> >> Dan >> >> >> > On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > They are beyond "out of touch." They are mindless zombies who can't put >> > together a simple sentence in words. >> > >> > Nothing I said dismisses the effects of terminal alcoholism, but that >> > subject was not addressed. The statement was made that potheads are way >> > better than alkies, and I take issue with that statement. Some alcoholics >> > can function at some level, and are often entertaining, and generally can >> > string together words to make a sentence. The whacked out pothead zombies >> > can do none of those things. It is not "better" >> > >> > >> >> I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of >> >> pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were >> >> pretty much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the >> >> alcoholics I've seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... >> >> >> >> I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads >> >>> wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. "known >> >>> fact" you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far >> >>> more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. >> >>> >> >>> However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for >> >>> unemployed shysters. >> >>> >> >>> I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send >> >>> others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >> >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/li
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
On the subject of drug use or alcohol use.. as wise man once told me "Self abuse is still the most popular form of self entertainment." It seems to ring true with every addiction, regardless of the material of choice.. A great part of the land mass of Arizona is Indian Reservation ... a very drunk Hopi once told me... as I tried to assist him out of the middle of a busy street where he had decided to "take a nap", that "With the first drink, the spirit comes out of the bottle into the man.. every drink after that the spirit comes out of the man into the bottle." ... I'm pretty sure this mans bottle was full of spirit... Yet another ruined life.. I think we need to offer a surrender in the "war on drugs" ... we lost. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I would suggest that there are people suffering from advanced alcoholism > who can fare no better, nor are functional in any sense of the word. It's > a "tomato - tomatoe" thing. > > In either case the severity of the affliction is clearly evident. As > addled as their brains might be, I would posit that they're in far better > health than someone suffering from advanced alcoholism... > > However, I am neither doctor nor a medical researcher, and this boils down > to a matter of semantics. Neither conditions are acceptable from a > standpoint of quality of life. Given the choice I would rather my brain be > addled than my liver trashed, but that's merely a matter of personal > preference. Having seen a family member die of advanced liver disease > brought on by alcoholism, I found it a horrible, lingering, painful way to > die that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I'm not sure anyone has died from > marijuana abuse/ingestion, and if they have, it was probably due to > excessive consumption of food (munchies.) > > Dan > > > > On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > They are beyond "out of touch." They are mindless zombies who can't put > together a simple sentence in words. > > > > Nothing I said dismisses the effects of terminal alcoholism, but that > subject was not addressed. The statement was made that potheads are way > better than alkies, and I take issue with that statement. Some alcoholics > can function at some level, and are often entertaining, and generally can > string together words to make a sentence. The whacked out pothead zombies > can do none of those things. It is not "better" > > > > > >> I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of > pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty > much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've > seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... > >> > >> I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. > >> > >> Dan > >> > >> > >>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads > wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. "known fact" > you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more > powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. > >>> > >>> However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for > unemployed shysters. > >>> > >>> I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send > others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I would suggest that there are people suffering from advanced alcoholism who can fare no better, nor are functional in any sense of the word. It's a "tomato - tomatoe" thing. In either case the severity of the affliction is clearly evident. As addled as their brains might be, I would posit that they're in far better health than someone suffering from advanced alcoholism... However, I am neither doctor nor a medical researcher, and this boils down to a matter of semantics. Neither conditions are acceptable from a standpoint of quality of life. Given the choice I would rather my brain be addled than my liver trashed, but that's merely a matter of personal preference. Having seen a family member die of advanced liver disease brought on by alcoholism, I found it a horrible, lingering, painful way to die that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I'm not sure anyone has died from marijuana abuse/ingestion, and if they have, it was probably due to excessive consumption of food (munchies.) Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > They are beyond "out of touch." They are mindless zombies who can't put > together a simple sentence in words. > > Nothing I said dismisses the effects of terminal alcoholism, but that subject > was not addressed. The statement was made that potheads are way better than > alkies, and I take issue with that statement. Some alcoholics can function > at some level, and are often entertaining, and generally can string together > words to make a sentence. The whacked out pothead zombies can do none of > those things. It is not "better" > > >> I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of pot >> smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty much >> out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've seen >> dying of cirrhosis of the liver... >> >> I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. >> >> Dan >> >> >>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering >>> around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. "known fact" you refer >>> to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and >>> mind frying that your grampa's joint. >>> >>> However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed >>> shysters. >>> >>> I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others >>> the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
They are beyond "out of touch." They are mindless zombies who can't put together a simple sentence in words. Nothing I said dismisses the effects of terminal alcoholism, but that subject was not addressed. The statement was made that potheads are way better than alkies, and I take issue with that statement. Some alcoholics can function at some level, and are often entertaining, and generally can string together words to make a sentence. The whacked out pothead zombies can do none of those things. It is not "better" I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. "known fact" you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed shysters. I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
We have short circuited Darwinian evolution. Shoes have messed with our feet so we have daintier toes and less ability to walk long distances. This may be a first world thing. We impregnate the couples or singles who are genetically incapable of producing a child naturally. We pump people full of poison to survive cancer and live to reproduce. We put helmets on kids that would have taken themselves out of the gene pool on a bike, or climbing rocks. We pad and coddle the beasties, and pump up their self esteem until they are narcissist. The meals we eat are pretty unnatural with all the preservatives, and most folks would starve if they had to cook, let alone source food stuffs. We zip along at 120kph, which, should we meet sudden deceleration, would turn us into pulp. No chance of that using shanks mare. At every opportunity, big pharma is plumping us up with chemical concoctions that short circuit immune responses and have side effects that cause more damage than the illness. All the antibiotics are creating super bugs that will decimate populations, while our natural immune systems are being robbed of the chance to fight and pass on resistance to pathogens. Meanwhile we get in airborne tin cans and spread virulent bacteria and virus to the far reaches of the globe. Global food and commerce is turning native populations in the clients for big pharma to pump full of chemicals to treat first world illness. Time to slow down, move back to the land, and allow our bodies to catch up to changes already here. Either that. or we start stuffing folks in tin cans and shoot them into space in great enough numbers that natural selection will sort out what manner of human is best suited to off world living. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: > OK Don wrote: >> The war on alcohol addiction hasn't had any positive results either. >> Perhaps think of it as enabling the Darwin effect - - > > All hail Darwin effect!! > Why not? > Survival > ...of the fittest. > Mental - gone!! > Drugged - gone!! > Old - gone!! > Why coddle the infirm? The bottom line rules!! > Shall we be a nation or culture or society that coddles the lame and > infirm so that we are defenseless? > No kidding, really. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering > around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. "known fact" you refer > to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and > mind frying that your grampa's joint. > > However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed > shysters. > > I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others > the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
How are the whacked out old potheads any worse than the burnt out old gin sops? I've never even heard of anybody smoking pot and getting violent. Unless maybe you consider destroying a box of Twinkies violent. I'm sad that Google Chrome doesn't know what Twinkies are... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 >I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful >than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. > >Sent from my iPhone THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. "known fact" you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed shysters. I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. "known fact" you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed shysters. I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
OK Don wrote: > The war on alcohol addiction hasn't had any positive results either. > Perhaps think of it as enabling the Darwin effect - - All hail Darwin effect!! Why not? Survival ...of the fittest. Mental - gone!! Drugged - gone!! Old - gone!! Why coddle the infirm? The bottom line rules!! Shall we be a nation or culture or society that coddles the lame and infirm so that we are defenseless? No kidding, really. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
My feelings exactly... https://bitencourtg.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/marijuana-vs-alcohol.jpg Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > What's even better is reading about David Nutt, the former "drug czar" of the > UK, who got booted out of office because he couldn't find anything wrong with > pot > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt > > Dan > > >> On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> >> Great Freakonomics podcast on this: >> >> http://freakonomics.com/2014/04/17/whats-more-dangerous-marijuana-or-alcohol-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ >> >> Dan >> >> >>> On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:51 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than >>> alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
What's even better is reading about David Nutt, the former "drug czar" of the UK, who got booted out of office because he couldn't find anything wrong with pot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > Great Freakonomics podcast on this: > > http://freakonomics.com/2014/04/17/whats-more-dangerous-marijuana-or-alcohol-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ > > Dan > > >> On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:51 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than >> alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Great Freakonomics podcast on this: http://freakonomics.com/2014/04/17/whats-more-dangerous-marijuana-or-alcohol-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:51 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than > alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. > > Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > War on Addiction? > Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see > how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a > different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug. > Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which > basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... > -Curt > > From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 > > Dan, > I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called "war > on drugs." I've been saying for decades that the "war on drugs" has been lost > and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on > locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, > making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other > possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition > didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime > syndicates, the "war on drugs" has enabled the growth of even more powerful > drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana > cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ. > Addison > > > On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote: > > From: Dan Penoff > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts > Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST > To: Mercedes List > > > I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other > day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: > > http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners > > We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for > stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that > matter, the "drug war". It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's > dollars but of human resources as well. > > Just my $0.02. > > Dan > > >> On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! >> >> --R >> >> >> >>> On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >>> Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants >>> to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
The war on alcohol addiction hasn't had any positive results either. Perhaps think of it as enabling the Darwin effect - - On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > War on Addiction? > Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see > how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a > different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug. > Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which > basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... > -Curt > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
War on Addiction? Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug. Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... -Curt From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 Dan, I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called "war on drugs." I've been saying for decades that the "war on drugs" has been lost and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime syndicates, the "war on drugs" has enabled the growth of even more powerful drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ. Addison On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST To: Mercedes List I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the "drug war". It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes > wrote: > > Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! > > --R > > > > On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants >> to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Dan, I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called "war on drugs." I've been saying for decades that the "war on drugs" has been lost and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime syndicates, the "war on drugs" has enabled the growth of even more powerful drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ. Addison On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST To: Mercedes List I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the "drug war". It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes > wrote: > > Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! > > --R > > > > On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants >> to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
