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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Auto Trans Diagnosis A (harry watkins)
2. Re: OT: glow in the dark doors (Craig)
3. Re: Repaired the TE today (Dieselhead)
4. Re: Nother 107 gasser Q (380SL) (Craig)
5. Re: Auto Trans Diagnosis A (Craig)
6. Re: Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A (Mountain Man)
7. Re: OT: glow in the dark doors (Mountain Man)
8. Re: Port holes (Rich Thomas)
9. Re: Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A (Rich Thomas)
10. Re: OT: glow in the dark doors (Rich Thomas)
11. Re: Auto Trans Diagnosis A (Dieselhead)
12. Re: Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A (Dieselhead)
13. Re: Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A (Dieselhead)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:18:43 -0500
From: "harry watkins" <harry...@bellsouth.net>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A
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That is just amazing. Way to go Gerry.
Harry
86 300 SDL
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A
Aimed a light at the hole in the housing and put a computer camera on a
block under the car. Sat in the car with a laptop and kept tapping the
starter until I could see the drain plug. Went back under the car with a
wrench and a pan, drained the ATF, pulled everything out. Done in two
trips under the car.
Gerry
'83 300D
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Rich Thomas wrote:
Does that tranny housing have the little hole at the bottom to
where you get at the drain plug for the TC? I just take a
longish large screwdriver and pry the TC around through the
hole. Takes a few minutes but gets you there with not too hard.
--R
On 9/24/2010 1:21 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Well, the oil is very dirty, and has a high amount of alum. It
is not the worst I have seen. That prize belongs to a 124.
By the way, that car has run fine for many 10ks since.
I am still trying to find the TC drain. Bump the starter and
then crawl under to see if I got lucky. No happiness so far.
Wish I could find and easy way to bar over the flywheel.
Screwdriver on the ring gear is tedious, but you don't have to
crawl out. I don't see a way to get to the ring gear on this one.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:41:13 -0600
From: Craig <diese...@pisquared.net>
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:39:07 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
I figured it was a good bit of story for a Saturday, and the AMAZING
part is it was SWMBO's idea!
Hang on to her.
That is what I thought the first time also. But over the years I
have heard it from many people who were first hand witnesses, so I
tend to believe it. at least weird light and coming through cracks in
the walls.
You could get wierd light coming through the walls and not cracks, but
the radiation level would be so high no one anywhere near would not live
for long.
IF your local Libary has the dvds of the BBC program " The English
R.M." TV show, I highly recommend it. It is a hilarious weaving of
english customs, Irish customs, Blarney, cons, horses, hunting and true
history.
I'll have to look that up.
Then I can start on the 2 OM616 engines, hoping to make one that will
propel the 80 4 speed. 123 240D (UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE ME A
OM602 TURBO IN THE MEANTIME)
I have an OM616 that was running when I took it out of our '82 240D to
replace the broken auto transmission with a stick shift and replace the
OM616 with an OM617 to turn it into a 240D/3.0.
Craig
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:36:21 -0500
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Repaired the TE today
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gassers are a PITA aren't they? What year is the TE? Is it a 124?
I had similar findings a couple of years ago with daughter's 107.
Had smelled since she got it. no leaks.
on it, there was a short chunk of big hose, like 5/8 from the tank to
the filter/pump unit. Then a hard tubing between the filter and
pump, then a short chunk of gas line to the hard tubing into the
engine compartment. The big hose disintegrated. To keep the car
going for a week until the proper hose arrived from Rusty, I put in a
chunk of heater hose. When the hose came, (I had to order a meter to
get 3"), it was not the original stuff with lots of braid inside and
out, but just rubber with a few strands like heater hose. But it had
the star on it.... OE stuff now.
Anyhow, if anyone with gassers needs to replace the fuel pump hose, I
will make you a deal for 3" or whatever you need. I think it was
something like $27 for the meter length. I shoulda just bought some
at FLAPS or a industrial hose shop. I was hoping for hose that will
last another 20 years. Maybe this will. It sure looks like 5 year
FLAPS heater hose. The secret is in the rubber compound and its
resistance to fuel and additives and resistance to oxidation.
THe smell was from the big hose seeping. Never dripping, just seepage.
Ongoing saga with gasoline smells and no visible leaks, culminating
in Mother backing off the drive the other day by slipping her foot
off the brake onto the gas (or so she says, the story changes with
time, eh?).
Upshot of the whole deal was that I got home last Thursday to find
the car crossways in the drive and it won't start. I know the fuel
pump was leaking, so I'd bought a new pump but hadn't gotten under
there to get it in yet. So I crawled under and started in.
First thing I found was that the supply line to the pump was old,
felt funny, and was cracking, so I ordered a new one -- or what I
thought was a new one. Got the hose, it was the one from the filter
to the FI system, but the wrong one for the TE (shorter, I think).
Anyway, so I ordered the "tank to pump hose" listed as "pump to
pump" because I though I only had one fuel pump.
So I tackle the pump replacement. Some gorilla has overtightened
the outlet fitting on the check valve. I'm completely unable to
unscrew the cap nut, so I have to undo all the pressure side
fittings to the filter and accumulator and remove the whole pump.
Naturally, the wire nuts are just barely more than finger tight, and
the check valve fitting on the pump, with pressure line attached, is
swinging free.
Bloody gorilla turned the check valve while overtightening the
pressure line fitting! No wonder it leaked.
Took the pump and fitting down to the garage, unscrewed the pump
from the check valve and managed to get the cap nut loose by putting
the fitting in a vice. I hate idiots.
Back to the car, fight for a while with the rock hard inlet fitting
on the inlet side and get it all buttoned up. Huge PITA working on
the gournd with gravel in your hair, naturally the wheel tracks are
lower than the gravel under the car, etc.
Crank it (no start) and look for leaks. Fuel pouring off the diff.
Another bad hose. Give up for the night.
Order the new hose, listed as pump tp pump, although I still think I
have a single pump car. Wrong. Get the hose, crawl back under, and
find the other fuel pump right by the tank. This time I get the
fitting off without major hassles. but the hose is a bitch. Still
not fully installed, I just cannot get those grommets in the hooks
when I cannot see what I'm doing, so later today I'll go over to my
brothers and put it up on jack stands or take it over to his buddies
and put it on a lift. This would have been an easy job with some
clearance underneath.
Now I have the hose installed, crank for a few seconds, check and
find no leaks, so I try to start it. Sorta kinda runs for a few
seconds, then quits and I smell LOTS of gasoline. Back under, no
leaks. Hmmmm. Must be something else.
Go down to the garage, get the starting fluid, pull the air filter
cover, and discover that, at some time in the past, a mouse has been
using it for storage. There is half a pecan shel, empty, holding
the airflow sensor flap open about half an inch, no wonder it won't
start! Take the housing off, clean all the crap out (the mice live
on wild cherry seeds and dogwood seeds around here, Mom's car is
always full of them along with pecans). How it got in there I don't
know, except that I do remember finding the breather hose loose a
while back, don't remember when but it's been several years,
probably. Certainly that pecan wasn't from this years crop -- I
don't think there are any, and they don't start to fall for another
month, anyway.
Cleaned it all out, lost three of the nuts for the filter cover --
must have brushed them off into the drive or something --. crank it
up, and it starts after holding my food to the floor for a while.
Runs better than it has for a long time, I wonder how long that
pecan shell has been holding the air flow meter flap open part way?
Never a dull moment, eh? Nice to have the car running and not
leaking fuel, too!
Peter
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:50:47 -0600
From: Craig <diese...@pisquared.net>
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nother 107 gasser Q (380SL)
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:59:52 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh Man! Now you went and messed up what I thought I understood! I
will see what I can figger out tomorrow. Whats a PWM? the PKW PWM,
Of course! I know it is on a PKW, but I don't know what the PWM Is.
PassWordMonitor? Ich Schpraken ze Dumkopf?
Ja, du sprichts wie ein Dumkopf.
PWM = Pulse Width Modulation
It's a standard way to vary the average signal to something while
reducing power dissipation in the switch by having it only totally on or
totally off.
Craig
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:54:11 -0600
From: Craig <diese...@pisquared.net>
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A
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I generally keep not so good tires on the rear so I don't ruin good
tires when this happens, and for safety, the best tires should always
be on the front axle.
There is an on-going debate about this. If you have poor tires on the
rear, the rear will have less traction and will break loose earlier than
the front. This will cause massive oversteer that some drivers are not
able to handle. The other way around, you get understeer, which is
inherently easier to handle.
Craig
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:17:59 -0500
From: Mountain Man <maontin....@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A
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Dieselhead wrote:
Who on the list can come up with a USB camera
(Mfgr and model number) that would be small enough (9-10mm dia or
less....5-6 mm?) ?to pass through the hole in the head where a prechamber
goes ?(OM61x and OM60x) to work as a borescope, preferably with onboard
light.
I would think anyone in the medical equipment biz could arrive at that
type of instrument, as in arthroscopic surgery equipment or that other
stuff they shove up your groin to examine your heart and do surgery
there - that all has lights, action, camera. Cost being no problem.
Perhaps with your glow-in-dark doors sources, this type of equipment
comes up used from time to time?
mao
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:22:41 -0500
From: Mountain Man <maontin....@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
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Dieselhead wrote:
?Then I can start on the 2 OM616 engines, hoping to make one that will
propel the 80 4 speed. 123 240D (UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE ME A OM602
Bring a trailer here and take the '81 engine here? It was a good
runner when rust put it on the sidelines. And, rust will take it to
the recycle, sooner rather than later to appease the woman here.
mao
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:29:20 -0400
From: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Port holes
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I saw some sort of pimped SUV go by the other day, it had 5 portholes
(when 3 just won't do!). This seems to be the style among certain
demographic cohorts.
--R
On 9/25/2010 4:45 PM, WILTON wrote:
Just saw a Dodge Magnum with 3 "Buick" port holes on each front fender;
'also had ridiculously big chrome wheels. I had to look away and breath
slowly through my nose. ;<))))))
Wilton
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:31:37 -0400
From: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A
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You know, I had this idea a few years ago, to make a cheap cam like that
for hobbyists, cars, etc. and never really pursued it. I see Harbor
Fright has one now for about a $100, has a little display and the cam on
the end of a flexible thingie. It looks fairly small, but maybe not
small enough for that application. Don't think it has a light.
--R
On 9/25/2010 8:17 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
Who on the list can come up with a USB camera
(Mfgr and model number) that would be small enough (9-10mm dia or
less....5-6 mm?) to pass through the hole in the head where a
prechamber
goes (OM61x and OM60x) to work as a borescope, preferably with onboard
light.
I would think anyone in the medical equipment biz could arrive at that
type of instrument, as in arthroscopic surgery equipment or that other
stuff they shove up your groin to examine your heart and do surgery
there - that all has lights, action, camera. Cost being no problem.
Perhaps with your glow-in-dark doors sources, this type of equipment
comes up used from time to time?
mao
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:36:34 -0400
From: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
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I used to work with a guy who claimed to have worked at one of the nuke
labs back in the 50s. Someone in a class was demonstrating what happens
when you bring 2 pieces of some element (plutonium maybe, I forget that
detail) together closer and closer. The idea was that the count would
go higher and higher, then you move the pieces away from each other, and
watch the count as that process happens. Unfortunately in some fashion
the pieces got too close together, someone not in the room saw a bright
blue flash, and had an idea what had happened. Once they were able to
get in there, all the people in the room were dead from the radiation.
It might be ByoolShytte, but it was a good story.
--R
On 9/25/2010 5:41 PM, Craig wrote:
You could get wierd light coming through the walls and not cracks, but
the radiation level would be so high no one anywhere near would not live
for long.
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:43:58 -0500
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A
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Dunno the oversteer/understeer theory, and it doesn't matter much to
me. What I know is that if the front does not steer, you have no
control. Yes, the back can slip so far and fast that it exceeds the
maximum turn mechanically, or it can occur faster than you can react.
For most drivers (inexperienced with skids) they over correct which
causes gyrations in in harmonic or unharmonic mode, with harmonic
leading to unhapppy results. I have gotten into trouble by not
reacting fast enough on ice or not reacting to a high enough degree,
but that is less disastrous than harmonic overcorrection. (Harmonic
being a condition in which the amplitude of the oscillations
amplifies in each 1//2 cycle)
in practical application, the most scared I have been is when the FWD
veehicle has lost traction on the front axle.
> I generally keep not so good tires on the rear so I don't ruin good
tires when this happens, and for safety, the best tires should always
be on the front axle.
There is an on-going debate about this. If you have poor tires on the
rear, the rear will have less traction and will break loose earlier than
the front. This will cause massive oversteer that some drivers are not
able to handle. The other way around, you get understeer, which is
inherently easier to handle.
Craig
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:51:36 -0500
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A
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if there is any there, if doesn't go to the university junk sale.
"medical" makes me shudder. That is about like paying DOD prices.
$10 for a bandaid with a fancy name. A NEW borescope would be
probably 10x cheaper. now if you knew a medial equipment tech at
some hospital that does a lot of that kind of surgery, you might be
able to cockaroach one camera. I am with the Chairman mao on
doctors. I want to stay far away. no med shool at this univ. They
probably have that stuff at the vet school, but I have no contacts
there, and that stuff doesn't go to the junk sale.
I think a new lower end borescope goes for about $300. I'd like to
stay in the $30 range or else the new head gasket gets attractive.
Dieselhead wrote:
Who on the list can come up with a USB camera
(Mfgr and model number) that would be small enough (9-10mm dia or
less....5-6 mm?) to pass through the hole in the head where a
prechamber
goes (OM61x and OM60x) to work as a borescope, preferably with onboard
light.
I would think anyone in the medical equipment biz could arrive at that
type of instrument, as in arthroscopic surgery equipment or that other
stuff they shove up your groin to examine your heart and do surgery
there - that all has lights, action, camera. Cost being no problem.
Perhaps with your glow-in-dark doors sources, this type of equipment
comes up used from time to time?
mao
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:57:40 -0500
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A
Message-ID: <a0624084dc8c44a225...@[192.168.1.112]>
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Hey, you have some connection with medical types. Maybe you can find
out how many uses the little vein cameras get, and then what happens
to it.. My guess is the little camera is a throwaway, but is useless
without the $5,000,000 machine it is connected to (with the display)
And I'd guess the brand X cameras are worthless with the brand y
machine and vice versa, so there is no competition for the
consumables.
You know, I had this idea a few years ago, to make a cheap cam like
that for hobbyists, cars, etc. and never really pursued it. I see
Harbor Fright has one now for about a $100, has a little display and
the cam on the end of a flexible thingie. It looks fairly small,
but maybe not small enough for that application. Don't think it has
a light.
--R
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