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On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:02:21 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > Did you try to vacuum the dirt out from between the fins and the > condenser and radiator? I usually do that every year and try to > blow out with air, very carefully to avoid bending the fins. Yes, I did. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did you try to vacuum the dirt out from between the fins and the condenser and radiator? I usually do that every year and try to blow out with air, very carefully to avoid bending the fins. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:33:23 -0600 Craig via Mercedes wrote: I got the defective fan out and was about to install the fan you sent, but found it won't fit -- it's too large in diameter and the holes for attaching the fan shroud are in the wrong places. The picture shows the fan I removed on the left and the fan sent on the right. Upon finding that the new fan would not fit, I looked more closely at the one I removed. Its condition is hinted at by the vast quantity of dirt and leaves I found behind it, as shown in the attached pictures. I pounded the back of the fan motor, removed from the support frame, on the floor until I got no more dirt and then vacuumed it with a crevice tool attachment. After a while, the fan would rotate without making strange noises. I put a couple drops of turbine oil on the rear bearing for grins, put it back in its frame, and tried it out. When spun by hand, it stops more quickly than the other fan on the car. When run on 12 Volts, it runs more slowly than the other fan on the car, but it does run. I put the fan assembly and shroud back together. I'll put the bumper back on afternight so we can go to church tomorrow. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:47:53 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > I have recovered MB fans in this manner. If they’re not completely > frozen up sometimes you can resurrect them with a good soaking of Kroil > and spinning them. How do you get to the front bearing? > Hopefully you’ll be able to get this one going, As I mentioned, "When run on 12 Volts, it runs more slowly than the other fan on the car, but it does run." It's all buttoned back up and the car is back on the ground. > just be careful if it’s loose and you put juice to it - they’re very > powerful and will gladly remove digits given the opportunity. Uh . yeah! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have recovered MB fans in this manner. If they’re not completely frozen up sometimes you can resurrect them with a good soaking of Kroil and spinning them. Hopefully you’ll be able to get this one going, just be careful if it’s loose and you put juice to it - they’re very powerful and will gladly remove digits given the opportunity. -D > On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:33:23 -0600 Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I got the defective fan out and was about to install the fan you sent, >> but found it won't fit -- it's too large in diameter and the holes for >> attaching the fan shroud are in the wrong places. The picture shows the >> fan I removed on the left and the fan sent on the right. > > Upon finding that the new fan would not fit, I looked more closely at the > one I removed. Its condition is hinted at by the vast quantity of dirt > and leaves I found behind it, as shown in the attached pictures. > > I pounded the back of the fan motor, removed from the support frame, on > the floor until I got no more dirt and then vacuumed it with a crevice > tool attachment. After a while, the fan would rotate without making > strange noises. I put a couple drops of turbine oil on the rear bearing > for grins, put it back in its frame, and tried it out. > > When spun by hand, it stops more quickly than the other fan on the car. > When run on 12 Volts, it runs more slowly than the other fan on the car, > but it does run. > > I put the fan assembly and shroud back together. I'll put the bumper back > on afternight so we can go to church tomorrow. > > > Craig > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 22:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > Attaboy! > How many weeks have "we" been going to church together since the > extended stay in the ABQ hospital? Mitch. This will be the first time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Attaboy! How many weeks have "we" been going to church together since the extended stay in the ABQ hospital? Mitch. > On August 19, 2017 at 8:41 PM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > I put the fan assembly and shroud back together. I'll put the bumper back > on afternight so we can go to church tomorrow. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bravo! I'll bet it will work just fine. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 19:16:26 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > Wat to go Craig. Sounds like you are on the right track for the > transmission. Also sounds like you have a bit of work to do > replacing all those parts. Thank you, MG. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:22:07 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > You can’t disassemble those motors. Not without destroying something > in the process. That's what I figured. > Don’t ask me how I know. OK, I won't. Craog ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wat to go Craig. Sounds like you are on the right track for the transmission. Also sounds like you have a bit of work to do replacing all those parts. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 00:44:27 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Any news on the transmission problem Craig? I called Marc at SUN VALLEY MERCEDES TRANSMISSIONS 15468 Cabrito Rd. Van Nuys, CA. 91406 Phone: 818-782-2300 He said to check the cable to the transmission from the throttle linkage (which is what I have been told by members of this list, but haven't had time to do yet) by disconnecting it from the linkage and pulling it to see if it acted like there was a spring on the other end. If there is spring tension, he said, there might be problems with a valve in the transmission (he said the name, but I don't remember what it was). He did say that manually shifting the transmission would not do damage to it. I specifically asked that because Shirley and I are planning to make a road trip to Dallas to attend the Great American Trucking Show and Austin to visit some friends like last year. We plan on leaving Tuesday right after her follow-up appointment with the surgeon who did her total hip replacement. So, if I don't have time to fix it correctly before then, I can use it like it is. I'm working on the car today, first to replace the failed auxiliary fan (for which Kaleb sent a replacement), then to charge the A/C system (for which Kaleb sent a can of R-12), then to replace the driver's door actuator (for which Kaleb sent a replacement) and trace down any locking system leaks, then I don't know what, but I'm sure I'll find something. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can’t disassemble those motors. Not without destroying something in the process. Don’t ask me how I know. -D > On Aug 19, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:48:50 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Swap motors? > > I thought about that, but the fan is pressed onto the motor shaft. Even > if I did have a press, the pressing operation is not symmetrical -- that > is it's meant to be pressed on, but not off. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 17:48:50 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > Swap motors? I thought about that, but the fan is pressed onto the motor shaft. Even if I did have a press, the pressing operation is not symmetrical -- that is it's meant to be pressed on, but not off. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Swap motors? --R Sent from iPhone > On Aug 19, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:44:08 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > wrote: > >> If you find any of the other actuators leaking let me know. > > I got the defective fan out and was about to install the fan you sent, > but found it won't fit -- it's too large in diameter and the holes for > attaching the fan shroud are in the wrong places. The picture shows the > fan I removed on the left and the fan sent on the right. > > > Craig > > >>> On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm working on the car today, first to replace the failed auxiliary >>> fan (for which Kaleb sent a replacement), then to charge the A/C >>> system (for which Kaleb sent a can of R-12), then to replace the >>> driver's door actuator (for which Kaleb sent a replacement) and trace >>> down any locking system leaks, then I don't know what, but I'm sure >>> I'll find something. :-) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:44:08 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > If you find any of the other actuators leaking let me know. I don't know yet, but I do know the right-rear door won't lock by the vacuum system; I have to push that button down manually. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you find any of the other actuators leaking let me know. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 00:44:27 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Any news on the transmission problem Craig? > > I called Marc at SUN VALLEY MERCEDES TRANSMISSIONS > 15468 Cabrito Rd. > Van Nuys, CA. 91406 > Phone: 818-782-2300 > > He said to check the cable to the transmission from the throttle linkage > (which is what I have been told by members of this list, but haven't had > time to do yet) by disconnecting it from the linkage and pulling it to > see if it acted like there was a spring on the other end. > > If there is spring tension, he said, there might be problems with a valve > in the transmission (he said the name, but I don't remember what it was). > > He did say that manually shifting the transmission would not do damage to > it. I specifically asked that because Shirley and I are planning to make > a road trip to Dallas to attend the Great American Trucking Show and > Austin to visit some friends like last year. We plan on leaving Tuesday > right after her follow-up appointment with the surgeon who did her total > hip replacement. So, if I don't have time to fix it correctly before then, > I can use it like it is. > > I'm working on the car today, first to replace the failed auxiliary fan > (for which Kaleb sent a replacement), then to charge the A/C system > (for which Kaleb sent a can of R-12), then to replace the driver's door > actuator (for which Kaleb sent a replacement) and trace down any locking > system leaks, then I don't know what, but I'm sure I'll find > something. :-) > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 00:44:27 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Any news on the transmission problem Craig? I called Marc at SUN VALLEY MERCEDES TRANSMISSIONS 15468 Cabrito Rd. Van Nuys, CA. 91406 Phone: 818-782-2300 He said to check the cable to the transmission from the throttle linkage (which is what I have been told by members of this list, but haven't had time to do yet) by disconnecting it from the linkage and pulling it to see if it acted like there was a spring on the other end. If there is spring tension, he said, there might be problems with a valve in the transmission (he said the name, but I don't remember what it was). He did say that manually shifting the transmission would not do damage to it. I specifically asked that because Shirley and I are planning to make a road trip to Dallas to attend the Great American Trucking Show and Austin to visit some friends like last year. We plan on leaving Tuesday right after her follow-up appointment with the surgeon who did her total hip replacement. So, if I don't have time to fix it correctly before then, I can use it like it is. I'm working on the car today, first to replace the failed auxiliary fan (for which Kaleb sent a replacement), then to charge the A/C system (for which Kaleb sent a can of R-12), then to replace the driver's door actuator (for which Kaleb sent a replacement) and trace down any locking system leaks, then I don't know what, but I'm sure I'll find something. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Any news on the transmission problem Craig? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I tinkered with the adjustment on my cable and found the acceleration improved significantly. Probably because the upshift was delayed by a few hundred RPM. LarryT 91 300D On 08/15/2017 10:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: You sure it's 3rd and not 2nd? I think they go to 2nd when you stop and immediately shift down to first when you hit the pedal. Sounds like maybe the linkage is out of adjustment maybe so the control pressure cable to the trans is too loose. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:15:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: In a case like this, if the hill is a regular part of your drive, I like MG's idea of adjusting the bowden cable a little tighter so that the transmission will downshift sooner and stay in the lower gear longer. When I started adjusting the bowden cable on my 124 wagon, I experienced similar behavior going up a long on-ramp. I tightened up the cable a bit and fixed it. That sounds promising. Another idea would be to wait for that first downshift to third so the transmission has done it (avoiding the manual downshift), then move the shift lever to hold it in third until you are past that part of the hill, and then return the shift lever to D. That's a good idea. But I still have to get the transmission so it starts out from a stop in first or second instead of third. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No. The B2 will cause very bad slip in first you will just be stuck sitting there till the tow truck comes. Or so the Infamous B2 piston page says. MG Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I sure hope that isn't a B2 piston failure! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's where the driving it manually and shift at high RPM might work to pop the valve loose again. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: But I still have to get the transmission so it starts out from a stop in first or second instead of third. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like I should say "Try it you'll like it". It's not that hard. Takes a couple of seconds to open the hood, turn the adjuster close the hood and get back in the car. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: IT sounds like you are having to push down more and more on the peddle till the car finally downshifts and then the engine picks up too much speed so you let off and it upshifts and you start loosing speed and have to push down again... and so on. Yes. That coupled with varying slope of hill, which magnifies the effect. The only downside to tightening the cable is that it will tend to stay in gear longer before upshifting as you accelerate from a stop and it will downshift sooner when you are turning a corner in town. That may or may not be to your liking as it is a bit more of a sporty type of shifting feel That's how I would like it to be ... and in the rain it may lead to a bit of slipping if over enjoyed so to speak. I know what that's like. It took me about two weeks before I got mine to the right place. Lots of trial and error it seems. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Iirc where the cable connects to the linkage there is a linkage with a flat head screw and the middle part slides back and forth, you loosen the screw and make he linkage longer or shorter. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 21:12:57 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > wrote: > >> You sure it's 3rd and not 2nd? > > Yes. I drove it from a stop from zero to 45 mph, where it was in high > (fourth) gear. It shifted once. > > >> I think they go to 2nd when you stop and immediately shift down to >> first when you hit the pedal. Sounds like maybe the linkage is out of >> adjustment maybe so the control pressure cable to the trans is too >> loose. > > So something must have broken for it to suddenly go out of whack? > > > Craig > > BTW, does anyone know where I can buy more whack? With all the things > that go out of whack, it would be nice to have a supply. :-) > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 21:12:57 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > You sure it's 3rd and not 2nd? Yes. I drove it from a stop from zero to 45 mph, where it was in high (fourth) gear. It shifted once. > I think they go to 2nd when you stop and immediately shift down to > first when you hit the pedal. Sounds like maybe the linkage is out of > adjustment maybe so the control pressure cable to the trans is too > loose. So something must have broken for it to suddenly go out of whack? Craig BTW, does anyone know where I can buy more whack? With all the things that go out of whack, it would be nice to have a supply. :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You sure it's 3rd and not 2nd? I think they go to 2nd when you stop and immediately shift down to first when you hit the pedal. Sounds like maybe the linkage is out of adjustment maybe so the control pressure cable to the trans is too loose. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:15:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > >> In a case like this, if the hill is a regular part of your drive, I like >> MG's idea of adjusting the bowden cable a little tighter so that the >> transmission will downshift sooner and stay in the lower gear longer. >> >> When I started adjusting the bowden cable on my 124 wagon, I experienced >> similar behavior going up a long on-ramp. I tightened up the cable a >> bit and fixed it. > > That sounds promising. > > >> Another idea would be to wait for that first downshift to third so the >> transmission has done it (avoiding the manual downshift), then move the >> shift lever to hold it in third until you are past that part of the >> hill, and then return the shift lever to D. > > That's a good idea. > > But I still have to get the transmission so it starts out from a stop in > first or second instead of third. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I sure hope that isn't a B2 piston failure! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 15, 2017 8:14:20 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > >But I still have to get the transmission so it starts out from a stop >in >first or second instead of third. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:15:20 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > In a case like this, if the hill is a regular part of your drive, I like > MG's idea of adjusting the bowden cable a little tighter so that the > transmission will downshift sooner and stay in the lower gear longer. > > When I started adjusting the bowden cable on my 124 wagon, I experienced > similar behavior going up a long on-ramp. I tightened up the cable a > bit and fixed it. That sounds promising. > Another idea would be to wait for that first downshift to third so the > transmission has done it (avoiding the manual downshift), then move the > shift lever to hold it in third until you are past that part of the > hill, and then return the shift lever to D. That's a good idea. But I still have to get the transmission so it starts out from a stop in first or second instead of third. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:56:35 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > IT sounds like you are having to push down more and more on the peddle > till the car finally downshifts and then the engine picks up too much > speed so you let off and it upshifts and you start loosing speed and > have to push down again... and so on. Yes. That coupled with varying slope of hill, which magnifies the effect. > The only downside to tightening the cable is that it will tend to > stay in gear longer before upshifting as you accelerate from a > stop and it will downshift sooner when you are turning a corner > in town. That may or may not be to your liking as it is a bit > more of a sporty type of shifting feel That's how I would like it to be ... > and in the rain it may lead to a bit of slipping if over enjoyed so to > speak. I know what that's like. > It took me about two weeks before I got mine to the right place. Lots of trial and error it seems. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Diesel or gas model? If diesel CHANGE THE MAIN FUEL FILTER. On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > In a case like this, if the hill is a regular part of your drive, I like > MG's idea of adjusting the bowden cable a little tighter so that the > transmission will downshift sooner and stay in the lower gear longer. > > When I started adjusting the bowden cable on my 124 wagon, I experienced > similar behavior going up a long on-ramp. I tightened up the cable a bit > and fixed it. > > Another idea would be to wait for that first downshift to third so the > transmission has done it (avoiding the manual downshift), then move the > shift lever to hold it in third until you are past that part of the hill, > and then return the shift lever to D. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > > > No, it's a function of the topography of the hill, with its constantly > > varying slope. The car has enough power in fourth to go up a part of the > > hill until the slope increases, which requires a downshift to third. > > Then, when the slope decreases, it upshifts to fourth and continues on > > until the slope increases again. > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In a case like this, if the hill is a regular part of your drive, I like MG's idea of adjusting the bowden cable a little tighter so that the transmission will downshift sooner and stay in the lower gear longer. When I started adjusting the bowden cable on my 124 wagon, I experienced similar behavior going up a long on-ramp. I tightened up the cable a bit and fixed it. Another idea would be to wait for that first downshift to third so the transmission has done it (avoiding the manual downshift), then move the shift lever to hold it in third until you are past that part of the hill, and then return the shift lever to D. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > No, it's a function of the topography of the hill, with its constantly > varying slope. The car has enough power in fourth to go up a part of the > hill until the slope increases, which requires a downshift to third. > Then, when the slope decreases, it upshifts to fourth and continues on > until the slope increases again. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is strange. Could be a normal thing that the car does, I've never driven one so I don't know. On the 123's I have the transmission shifts to third before I have to hit the kickdown. The only time I actually have to press down all the way to intentionally hit the kickdown is when I pass on a two lane or for some reason want to really accelerate hard above the speed I've been holding. You might try increasing the tension on the shift cable connected to the throttle. what that does is make the valvebody think you are using more throttle then you are. That would make it downshift a bit earlier and tend to stay in the lower gear longer. IT sounds like you are having to push down more and more on the peddle till the car finally downshifts and then the engine picks up too much speed so you let off and it upshifts and you start loosing speed and have to push down again... and so on. Having it downshift earlier means that the engine is not loaded so hard and you haven't pushed the peddle down so far that when the shift happens the engine won't get as much fuel and hopefully won't speed up so much that you have to let off. This may take a bit of trial, like only tighten 1/2 a turn at a time till you get to the right place and you may have to slack off if you get a bit too much. The only downside to tightening the cable is that it will tend to stay in gear longer before upshifting as you accelerate from a stop and it will downshift sooner when you are turning a corner in town. That may or may not be to your liking as it is a bit more of a sporty type of shifting feel and in the rain it may lead to a bit of slipping if over enjoyed so to speak. It took me about two weeks before I got mine to the right place. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:40:32 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: As for having to manually down shift. Doesn't the transmission do that for itself? Yes, it will if I engage the kickdown switch. But then when the slope decreases slightly, it upshifts again. Then when the slope increases, I have to engage the kickdown switch again. That repeats several times as we drive up the hill. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 22:35:36 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > Do you still have the hard shifting? If so you have a vacuum leak and > probably do not have full power out of the turbo. I found a vacuum hose underneath the area where the cruise actuator mounts that was loose. I reconnected it and the shifts are better. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 23:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > > > On August 14, 2017 at 11:13 PM Craig via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > And to keep the transmission from going 4-3-4-3-4-3-4-3 ... as we > > drive up the hill. > > > > So, is that a design flaw or the result of making less power than when > new? If an auto trans shifts up when current power demand is more than > what's available in the next gear, it's flawed. No, it's a function of the topography of the hill, with its constantly varying slope. The car has enough power in fourth to go up a part of the hill until the slope increases, which requires a downshift to third. Then, when the slope decreases, it upshifts to fourth and continues on until the slope increases again. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do you still have the hard shifting? If so you have a vacuum leak and probably do not have full power out of the turbo. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > >> >>> On August 14, 2017 at 8:22 PM Craig via Mercedes >>> wrote: I normally downshift to keep the speed >>> at 65 mph. >> >> There's such a thing as a hill (I forget, is this a W124 2.5?) that you >> can't just leave the cruise set at 65 and drive up it? > > I have not yet installed the cruise control actuator Kaleb sent, so I > cannot say. > > >> Or you know the car will downshift, so you're trying to save wear on >> the trans by doing the shift under light load instead of in the middle >> of the hillclimb? > > And to keep the transmission from going 4-3-4-3-4-3-4-3 ... as we drive > up the hill. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On August 14, 2017 at 11:13 PM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > And to keep the transmission from going 4-3-4-3-4-3-4-3 ... as we drive > up the hill. > So, is that a design flaw or the result of making less power than when new? If an auto trans shifts up when current power demand is more than what's available in the next gear, it's flawed. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > > > On August 14, 2017 at 8:22 PM Craig via Mercedes > > wrote: I normally downshift to keep the speed > > at 65 mph. > > There's such a thing as a hill (I forget, is this a W124 2.5?) that you > can't just leave the cruise set at 65 and drive up it? I have not yet installed the cruise control actuator Kaleb sent, so I cannot say. > Or you know the car will downshift, so you're trying to save wear on > the trans by doing the shift under light load instead of in the middle > of the hillclimb? And to keep the transmission from going 4-3-4-3-4-3-4-3 ... as we drive up the hill. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:40:32 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > Yeah I do believe it is Sun Valley. > > As for having to manually down shift. Doesn't the transmission do > that for itself? Yes, it will if I engage the kickdown switch. But then when the slope decreases slightly, it upshifts again. Then when the slope increases, I have to engage the kickdown switch again. That repeats several times as we drive up the hill. > If it didn't I would have looked at that a long time ago. With my 123's > going up a hill if I want to go faster I just push harder on the > peddle. It will either go faster in fourth or downshift and go faster. > Might be that there was something wrong with it for a long time and is > finally letting you know that it's time to get a rebuilt? That I don't know. > Is that the big hill on that multilane highway (40?) going east > from Albuquerque? Yes, it's I-40 east of Albuquerque. The hill in question is the one before the Sedillo exit (Exit 181). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On August 14, 2017 at 8:22 PM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > I normally downshift to keep the speed at 65 mph. There's such a thing as a hill (I forget, is this a W124 2.5?) that you can't just leave the cruise set at 65 and drive up it? Or you know the car will downshift, so you're trying to save wear on the trans by doing the shift under light load instead of in the middle of the hillclimb? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah I do believe it is Sun Valley. As for having to manually down shift. Doesn't the transmission do that for itself? If it didn't I would have looked at that a long time ago. With my 123's going up a hill if I want to go faster I just push harder on the peddle. It will either go faster in fourth or downshift and go faster. Might be that there was something wrong with it for a long time and is finally letting you know that it's time to get a rebuilt? Is that the big hill on that multilane highway (40?) going east from Albuquerque? I don't remember having much of a problem going up that in June's 4cyl pickup. Course that was a few years ago and we only went up that twice I think. I probably forgot about it slowing down, but then again I did have to keep up with John who was driving his V10 diesel Turag so we were probably doing around 70 or more. He loves pushing that thing. Manfred Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 18:53:25 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: OK Do you normally do a manual downshift on that hill or was this something that you did because the engine wasn't putting out enough power this time vs doing ok all the other times till this time? I normally downshift to keep the speed at 65 mph. Not really any help in fixing your transmission problem but trying to get all the info I can. I understand. Thank you for your effort to help me. Does anyone know if Craig's car has the electronic part in the transmission? If so could it be a problem in that part? If not then trying to break loose a stuck valve may work. My thought is that if this was an isolated first time thing of doing a manual downshift then there might have been some crud broken loose in the valve body that is keeping one or more of the valves from operating the way they should because it got jammed. No, I regularly down-shifted the transmission manually, particularly when going up that specific hill. You might try hand shifting up and down doing the shifts at first at lower RPMs and then if that doesn't work run the snot out of it and make it shift only at the upper limit of the shift range both up and down. The faster the engine turns, the more pressure builds up and sometimes stuck valves will come loose when the harder shock of that high RPM shift hits them. If nothing else works that might. If not then it may need to have the valve body come out and be gone through. Oh. Another thought is to try calling the guys in California and see what they have to say. That did come to mind. Sun Valley, isn't it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 18:53:25 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > OK Do you normally do a manual downshift on that hill or was this > something that you did because the engine wasn't putting out > enough power this time vs doing ok all the other times till this > time? I normally downshift to keep the speed at 65 mph. > Not really any help in fixing your transmission problem but > trying to get all the info I can. I understand. Thank you for your effort to help me. > Does anyone know if Craig's car has the electronic part in the > transmission? If so could it be a problem in that part? If not > then trying to break loose a stuck valve may work. My thought is > that if this was an isolated first time thing of doing a manual > downshift then there might have been some crud broken loose in > the valve body that is keeping one or more of the valves from > operating the way they should because it got jammed. No, I regularly down-shifted the transmission manually, particularly when going up that specific hill. > You might try hand shifting up and down doing the shifts at first at > lower RPMs and then if that doesn't work run the snot out of it and > make it shift only at the upper limit of the shift range both up > and down. The faster the engine turns, the more pressure builds > up and sometimes stuck valves will come loose when the harder > shock of that high RPM shift hits them. If nothing else works > that might. If not then it may need to have the valve body come > out and be gone through. Oh. > Another thought is to try calling the guys in California and see > what they have to say. That did come to mind. Sun Valley, isn't it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Do you normally do a manual downshift on that hill or was this something that you did because the engine wasn't putting out enough power this time vs doing ok all the other times till this time? Not really any help in fixing your transmission problem but trying to get all the info I can. Does anyone know if Craig's car has the electronic part in the transmission? If so could it be a problem in that part? I not then trying to break loose a stuck valve may work. My thought is that if this was an isolated first time thing of doing a manual downshift then there might have been some crud broken loose in the valve body that is keeping one or more of the valves from operating the way they should because it got jammed. You might try hand shifting up and down doing the shifts at first at lower RPMs and then if that doesn't work run the snot out of it and make it shift only at the upper limit of the shift range both up and down. The faster the engine turns, the more pressure builds up and sometimes stuck valves will come loose when the harder shock of that high RPM shift hits them. If nothing else works that might. If not then it may need to have the valve body come out and be gone through. Another thought is to try calling the guys in California and see what they have to say. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 08:31:55 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: Please describe "the engine stopped running correctly". Just loss of power or actually misfiring and dropped cylinders? Loss of power, but I think I fixed that with replacing the prefilter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had the same symptoms in my '83 300TD - loss of power going uphill. Changed the main fuel filter - problem solved. On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 08:31:55 -0400 MG via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Please describe "the engine stopped running correctly". Just loss > > of power or actually misfiring and dropped cylinders? > > Loss of power, but I think I fixed that with replacing the prefilter. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 08:31:55 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > Please describe "the engine stopped running correctly". Just loss > of power or actually misfiring and dropped cylinders? Loss of power, but I think I fixed that with replacing the prefilter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Please describe "the engine stopped running correctly". Just loss of power or actually misfiring and dropped cylinders? MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: Shirley and I were driving back from Albuquerque in the '90 E300D and about to ascend a hill at 65 mph, so I moved the transmission from D to 3. Suddenly, the engine stopped running correctly and had little power and I couldn't get the transmission to work correctly. I got off I-40 and drove to a nearby filling station. The engine seemed to run OK and the fuel gauge was not showing the reserve light, so I drove the rest of the way home on Route 66. I noticed the engine ran OK going down hills, but had difficulty going up hills. I recalled the color of the prefilter being dark, so I thought maybe it had plugged with bugs growing in the fuel tank. Just a little while ago, I changed the prefilter and took it for a test drive. The engine seems to have normal power (I don't have any hills around here to check that out), but the transmission wasn't working properly. When starting out from a stop with the transmission in "D", it starts out in third gear, even when I engage the kickdown switch. I can make it start out in first and second by moving the lever to "2" and the car starts briskly. When driving 40 mph in fourth gear, I can make it go to third gear by engaging the kickdown switch, so that seems to work. Any ideas what is wrong? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:51:12 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Check that the Bowden cable adjuster hasn't failed, still has correct > tension. I looked in the CD manual in section 27-110 Adjusting cable for control pressure It's in the file named 27-110trans_Bowden_adjustment.pdf. I found it mentions the engines 103 and 603.96, 116 and 117, 104, 119, and 119.97, but no 602. 27-115 Removing, installing and adjusting control pressure cable with vacuum actuator in file 27-115trans_Bowden_replacement.pdf is no help, either. There is a cable connected to a bellcrank right near the transmission dipstick/fill; I presume that's the one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Check that the Bowden cable adjuster hasn't failed, still has correct tension. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:40:53 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Clogged or collapsed transmission filter? How is the ATF level? I just changed the ATF and filter. I replaced it with a MANN filter. I think the ATF level is OK. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Clogged or collapsed transmission filter? How is the ATF level? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Shirley and I were driving back from Albuquerque in the '90 E300D and about to ascend a hill at 65 mph, so I moved the transmission from D to 3. Suddenly, the engine stopped running correctly and had little power and I couldn't get the transmission to work correctly. I got off I-40 and drove to a nearby filling station. The engine seemed to run OK and the fuel gauge was not showing the reserve light, so I drove the rest of the way home on Route 66. I noticed the engine ran OK going down hills, but had difficulty going up hills. I recalled the color of the prefilter being dark, so I thought maybe it had plugged with bugs growing in the fuel tank. Just a little while ago, I changed the prefilter and took it for a test drive. The engine seems to have normal power (I don't have any hills around here to check that out), but the transmission wasn't working properly. When starting out from a stop with the transmission in "D", it starts out in third gear, even when I engage the kickdown switch. I can make it start out in first and second by moving the lever to "2" and the car starts briskly. When driving 40 mph in fourth gear, I can make it go to third gear by engaging the kickdown switch, so that seems to work. Any ideas what is wrong? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Use the one that slides on as the center link (although we have had > to push the link through that one too) and the tigher one on the > outside. > > They are supposed to fit tight. If the tool presses them on, it's > correct. We usually use the pressed on but not crimped piece to draw > the old chain through, press the link back out, install it in both > ends of the new chain, and swage. > > Peter __ Thanks, Peter. Does the master link outside clip, the tighter one, fit easily in the recessed place for it in the tool? The tool instructions from Performance Parts said the clip would be held in place magnetically, but I had to force the clip down into the recessed place with channel pliers and it did not bottom out. The master link is an Iwis brand from Rusty, as is the chain. The tool has an ST brand stamped on it. I'm not sure I understand how you press the link back out after you draw the chain through. I can understand how you can work the clip off the end by prizing it gently. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Archer wrote: >> End of rant. > > Times like these really make you want to own an "appliance" vehicle. > Then you get the car running again and 15 miles down the road that isn't > an option anymore. :) > John - Heh! Heh! Got too many appliances to keep running as it is. (-:] Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Use the one that slides on as the center link (although we have had to push the link through that one too) and the tigher one on the outside. They are supposed to fit tight. If the tool presses them on, it's correct. We usually use the pressed on but not crimped piece to draw the old chain through, press the link back out, install it in both ends of the new chain, and swage. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Archer wrote: > End of rant. Times like these really make you want to own an "appliance" vehicle. Then you get the car running again and 15 miles down the road that isn't an option anymore. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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More problems. The outside clip is supposed to seat very precisely in the chain press tool from Performance Products. It won't even go down in the seat and shape of the seat looks different. If I try to mount the link, the link will be crooked or might not even go on the link. The links and the chain appear to be OEM IWIS. It must be either the wrong chain or the wrong chain criimper. (#$%^&*!!!) Put the '83 300D in the shop about a month ago to adjust the valves and do routine service. The chain stretch was sitting on 5 so I decided to put on a new one. Then the A/C in the shop went bad and I had to stop and install a new one. Then a leak developed behind the false partition or or around the water heater which is under the sink top and inaccessible until the car comes out of the shop (it's still leaking.) Then I came down with acute diverticulitis and haven't been able to do much for over a week. Tonight I was making progress the on car but probably have the wrong tool or the wrong chain. (#$%^&*!!!). End of rant. Gerry P.S. Figured out the chain link color problem below. Only the silver colored clip with slide on the link to the middle. The black clip won't even start on the link, but the tool will probably press it on (Class 3 fit?) - Original Message - From: "Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Got ready to install the chain on my '83 300D and read the instructions > that > came with the tool from Performance Products which said to use the outer > clip with "IWIS" on it. Both clips have IWIS on them but there is a > difference in color: one is black, the other is silver. > There must be a reason for the clips of different colors. One is probably > supposed to go in the center and the other being the outer clip. The > black > clip is the color of spring steel. > The clips I took off of the old chain are not different colors. I miked > the > new clips and they are both the same thickness. I have two new links; one > came with the chain and the other from Rusty. Both are the same with two > links of different colors. > All help greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
