Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
I have geothermal heat for my house. I have two individual units so that depending on demand the smaller one would come on when primary doesn't have the out to keep up with the heat load. The backup strips are generally for when the heat pumps do not have the capacity to match the BTU lose and the strips come on general commanded by a three stag thermostat. Heat pumps are with water heat exchangers would be preferred over the the outdoor units that pull the heat from the air. These generally stop working and rely on heater strips when temperature difference becomes to great. My loop line is at the bottom of a small pond in front of our house. Incoming water temp to our unit gets down to just below 40 deg F toward the end of the winter. So far this winter my heater strips have never come on. Bob Massmann Oregonia, Ohio 1995 E300D 413 Kmiles -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight] I was under the impression that geothermal was intended for places where it was cold in winter where an air source heat pump was fine in places where it didn't get too cold. I'm also disappointed to find out that the supplemental heat has to come on at 10F with geothermal. I was under the impression that 300' down the temp was pretty steady. Is it because OK is so dry that there is trouble shedding cold down there? -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes To: OK Don ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight] You have the perfect climate for a geothermal heat pump. Not too cold in winter. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:04 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: As I said in the original thread: Ours is a closed loop system from Climate Masters (located in OK). There are two bore holes, each is 300'. The install took two days for the loop, and three days for the unit, but you have to factor in that we moved the location of the unit to another room, installed the new hot water heater where the old furnace was, and had to install all new ductwork in the attic. I'm hoping that we'll get 20-30 years out of this system. We are expecting at this time anyway, to spend the rest of our lives here, so the up front investment made sense to us. I think that the only time we've had the auxiliary heat strips (electric) come on was when we were below 10F. Yes, we'd do it again - my wife loves it! On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:32:36 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Hey Don, > > > > Could you tell us more about your geothermal setup? > > > YES, PLEASE! > > > Craig > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the r
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
G: One of wifes fellow nurses married a man from Oklahoma who hauled moonshine in the tank of a farm tractor he towed back and forth to another state before he joined the army. Don't remember if he hauled it into, or out of, Oklahoma. OK Don wrote: > HAHAHAHAHA - no. > Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > Dry as in booze-less? > > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/8982 - Release Date: 01/23/15 > -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
HAHAHAHAHA - no. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Dry as in booze-less? > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
Dry as in booze-less? On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > >> I was under the impression that geothermal was intended for places where >> it was cold in winter where an air source heat pump was fine in places >> where it didn't get too cold. I'm also disappointed to find out that the >> supplemental heat has to come on at 10F with geothermal. I was under the >> impression that 300' down the temp was pretty steady. Is it because OK is >> so dry that there is trouble shedding cold down there? >> > > In OK, design temp for heating systems is probably 10°. > It runs around 0-3°F here in south-central Michigan. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I was under the impression that geothermal was intended for places where it was cold in winter where an air source heat pump was fine in places where it didn't get too cold. I'm also disappointed to find out that the supplemental heat has to come on at 10F with geothermal. I was under the impression that 300' down the temp was pretty steady. Is it because OK is so dry that there is trouble shedding cold down there? In OK, design temp for heating systems is probably 10°. It runs around 0-3°F here in south-central Michigan. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
Not sure where you get the idea ok is dry. It might be out west but eastern ok is called green country. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was under the impression that geothermal was intended for places where it > was cold in winter where an air source heat pump was fine in places where it > didn't get too cold. I'm also disappointed to find out that the supplemental > heat has to come on at 10F with geothermal. I was under the impression that > 300' down the temp was pretty steady. Is it because OK is so dry that there > is trouble shedding cold down there? > -Curt > > > From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > To: OK Don ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight] > > You have the perfect climate for a geothermal heat pump. Not too cold in > winter. > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:04 AM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >> As I said in the original thread: >> >> Ours is a closed loop system from Climate Masters (located in OK). There >> are two bore holes, each is 300'. The install took two days for the loop, >> and three days for the unit, but you have to factor in that we moved the >> location of the unit to another room, installed the new hot water heater >> where the old furnace was, and had to install all new ductwork in the >> attic. I'm hoping that we'll get 20-30 years out of this system. We are >> expecting at this time anyway, to spend the rest of our lives here, so the >> up front investment made sense to us. I think that the only time we've had >> the auxiliary heat strips (electric) come on was when we were below 10F. >> Yes, we'd do it again - my wife loves it! >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:32:36 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Don, >>>> >>>> Could you tell us more about your geothermal setup? >>> >>> >>> YES, PLEASE! >>> >>> >>> Craig >> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! >> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence >> for themselves." >> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
Air is a relatively poor heat transfer medium. Water is a good one. we save money on AC as well as heating. There is only a little indicator on the digital thermostat to tell me when the aux heat strips come on, and I've only seen it once, but really have no idea how often it comes on. I just saw it that once, and as far as I can remember, that night it was around 10F. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I was under the impression that geothermal was intended for places where > it was cold in winter where an air source heat pump was fine in places > where it didn't get too cold. I'm also disappointed to find out that the > supplemental heat has to come on at 10F with geothermal. I was under the > impression that 300' down the temp was pretty steady. Is it because OK is > so dry that there is trouble shedding cold down there? > -Curt > > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
I was under the impression that geothermal was intended for places where it was cold in winter where an air source heat pump was fine in places where it didn't get too cold. I'm also disappointed to find out that the supplemental heat has to come on at 10F with geothermal. I was under the impression that 300' down the temp was pretty steady. Is it because OK is so dry that there is trouble shedding cold down there? -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes To: OK Don ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight] You have the perfect climate for a geothermal heat pump. Not too cold in winter. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:04 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > As I said in the original thread: > > Ours is a closed loop system from Climate Masters (located in OK). There > are two bore holes, each is 300'. The install took two days for the loop, > and three days for the unit, but you have to factor in that we moved the > location of the unit to another room, installed the new hot water heater > where the old furnace was, and had to install all new ductwork in the > attic. I'm hoping that we'll get 20-30 years out of this system. We are > expecting at this time anyway, to spend the rest of our lives here, so the > up front investment made sense to us. I think that the only time we've had > the auxiliary heat strips (electric) come on was when we were below 10F. > Yes, we'd do it again - my wife loves it! > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:32:36 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > Hey Don, > > > > > > Could you tell us more about your geothermal setup? > > > > > > YES, PLEASE! > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
You have the perfect climate for a geothermal heat pump. Not too cold in winter. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:04 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > As I said in the original thread: > > Ours is a closed loop system from Climate Masters (located in OK). There > are two bore holes, each is 300'. The install took two days for the loop, > and three days for the unit, but you have to factor in that we moved the > location of the unit to another room, installed the new hot water heater > where the old furnace was, and had to install all new ductwork in the > attic. I'm hoping that we'll get 20-30 years out of this system. We are > expecting at this time anyway, to spend the rest of our lives here, so the > up front investment made sense to us. I think that the only time we've had > the auxiliary heat strips (electric) come on was when we were below 10F. > Yes, we'd do it again - my wife loves it! > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:32:36 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > Hey Don, > > > > > > Could you tell us more about your geothermal setup? > > > > > > YES, PLEASE! > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
As I said in the original thread: Ours is a closed loop system from Climate Masters (located in OK). There are two bore holes, each is 300'. The install took two days for the loop, and three days for the unit, but you have to factor in that we moved the location of the unit to another room, installed the new hot water heater where the old furnace was, and had to install all new ductwork in the attic. I'm hoping that we'll get 20-30 years out of this system. We are expecting at this time anyway, to spend the rest of our lives here, so the up front investment made sense to us. I think that the only time we've had the auxiliary heat strips (electric) come on was when we were below 10F. Yes, we'd do it again - my wife loves it! On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:32:36 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Hey Don, > > > > Could you tell us more about your geothermal setup? > > > YES, PLEASE! > > > Craig > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OK Don's Geothermal Setup [was: Re: Burnin' daylight]
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:32:36 -0500 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > Hey Don, > > Could you tell us more about your geothermal setup? YES, PLEASE! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
