Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
Wonderful invention to add to your home...Let's think this one through.. you are on your way home from work.. stop off for a quick one... meet a few friends... it's suddenly after 2 AM and the bar closes... you find your way home.. and the very upset spouse has deposited your personal effects on the front lawn [packing not an option] and. by virtue of your foresight... CHANGED THE LOCK.. O... good plan... Buy one.. quick... Grant... AZ... where the lock has not needed to be changed in decades. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Eddie Booher wrote: > Oddly enough I was in Lowe's today and saw a new Kwikset lock system? > Think it was Kwikset anyway, know it wasn't Schlage. But you put in the > current key, turn it clockwise 1/4 turn, insert a special shim the "Quick > Key" which I assume resets the tumblers and remove the now old key. Insert > the new key and turn counter clockwise 1/2 turn (so 1/4 back to stop then > 1/4 counter) and it apparently pops the pins into the new configuration. > Viola, new key set. > > Doesn't really help you, I know, but thought it interesting at the time. > > EdB > > On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:35 AM, Fmiser wrote: > > >>> Jerry Herrman wrote: > >>> > >>> Am I right in believing that I could remove this cap and > >>> replace these pins? Since I have a few Schlage keys from > >>> other locks, would I be able to insert "new"pins that would > >>> match up with a specific replacement key? > > > >> Dave Walton wrote: > > > >> The process you want to use is called Impressioning: > >> (http://www.gregmiller.net/locks/impress.html) > > > > Jerry was asking about re-keying the cylinder which is one way > > to deal with the problem of a key and lock that don't match. > > > > Dave is suggesting creating a key that matches rather than > > matching the lock to another existing key. > > > > Both can work. It depends on which end result you prefer. > > > > -- Philip > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
Had some of these when we re-keyed the house in Indiana. Two of the five or so failed when the locksmith was resetting them. No fix - only replacement. She said it was a novel concept but in practice she was seeing a pretty high failure rate with them. That was about four years ago, so hopefully they have gotten better. Dan On Jul 25, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Eddie Booher wrote: > Oddly enough I was in Lowe's today and saw a new Kwikset lock system? Think > it was Kwikset anyway, know it wasn't Schlage. But you put in the current > key, turn it clockwise 1/4 turn, insert a special shim the "Quick Key" which > I assume resets the tumblers and remove the now old key. Insert the new key > and turn counter clockwise 1/2 turn (so 1/4 back to stop then 1/4 counter) > and it apparently pops the pins into the new configuration. Viola, new key > set. > > Doesn't really help you, I know, but thought it interesting at the time. > > EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
Oddly enough I was in Lowe's today and saw a new Kwikset lock system? Think it was Kwikset anyway, know it wasn't Schlage. But you put in the current key, turn it clockwise 1/4 turn, insert a special shim the "Quick Key" which I assume resets the tumblers and remove the now old key. Insert the new key and turn counter clockwise 1/2 turn (so 1/4 back to stop then 1/4 counter) and it apparently pops the pins into the new configuration. Viola, new key set. Doesn't really help you, I know, but thought it interesting at the time. EdB On Jul 5, 2012, at 12:35 AM, Fmiser wrote: >>> Jerry Herrman wrote: >>> >>> Am I right in believing that I could remove this cap and >>> replace these pins? Since I have a few Schlage keys from >>> other locks, would I be able to insert "new"pins that would >>> match up with a specific replacement key? > >> Dave Walton wrote: > >> The process you want to use is called Impressioning: >> (http://www.gregmiller.net/locks/impress.html) > > Jerry was asking about re-keying the cylinder which is one way > to deal with the problem of a key and lock that don't match. > > Dave is suggesting creating a key that matches rather than > matching the lock to another existing key. > > Both can work. It depends on which end result you prefer. > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
> > Jerry Herrman wrote: > > > > Am I right in believing that I could remove this cap and > > replace these pins? Since I have a few Schlage keys from > > other locks, would I be able to insert "new"pins that would > > match up with a specific replacement key? > Dave Walton wrote: > The process you want to use is called Impressioning: > (http://www.gregmiller.net/locks/impress.html) Jerry was asking about re-keying the cylinder which is one way to deal with the problem of a key and lock that don't match. Dave is suggesting creating a key that matches rather than matching the lock to another existing key. Both can work. It depends on which end result you prefer. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
> Jerry Herrman wrote: > I have a good quality new-in-box Schlage brand deadbolt, but > the key is missing. > I am inclined to believe that > with minimal equipment, and maybe some good instructions, I > could learn to re-key this and other basic lock cylinders. It > couldn't be any more difficult then changing oil could it? It involves lots of small parts that must be in just the right place and just the right way or it won't work. So more like repairing the odometer than changing the oil. But it's not _hard_. I have done it dozens of times. But that was dozens of years ago, so I don't remember any details - like did I need a working key. I think not, because I took a pile of discarded parts and built a few keyed-alike sets and then filed a key to match. --Philip, with cobwebs tangled up in those memories. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
new-in-box Schlage brand deadbolt, but the key is missing. I bought a clearance Schlage, not knowing there were no longer keys in the box. I went back, and the guy had just re-keyed a new lock for a customer and had thrown away the original four keys. He fished them out of the trash and then re-keyed my lock to match those keys. No charge, since I'd bought the lock there. (Big-box HW store, no longer remember the name, or whether or not the thing had been Borged since then.) The right guy can re-key that thing no problem. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
Yes you can and it's not too hard but you need a "pin tray" that contains Schlage pins of various (numbered) lengths. There is also a metal "card" with stepped cut-outs that you can use to "gauge" the key you want to use. That will tell you what size pin to use and it's mucho faster than trial and error. You may be lucky and have a key with numbers stamped on it indicating the correct pin length. Each pin "hole" will have the variable-length pin on the bottom, a standard pin (not critical) in the middle, and a spring on top, all under the cover plate. Be careful not to lose any springs, they are under tension. Or, you can get the kit, which includes keys but the instructions in the kit probably assume you have the old key (uses a different procedure that's somewhat easier). You are lucky that this is a deadbolt with an easily removable cylinder. The knob-in-handle locks are just about impossible to disassemble without the old key (or picking the lock). PM me if you need details. Scott, 82 300SD -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 8:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks I have a good quality new-in-box Schlage brand deadbolt, but the key is missing. I do not want to discard this item and wonder if there is something I can do (at minimal cost) to get a working key for it. The lock cylinder can be removed but the cost of a new cylinder is about the same as the cost of a new deadbolt with two keys. When I removed the lock cylinder, I noted that there is a small plate or cover over the top of where the pins are. Am I right in believing that I could remove this cap and replace these pins? Since I have a few Schlage keys from other locks, would I be able to insert "new"pins that would match up with a specific replacement key? Where would I get an assortment of pins? I know that home centers sell kits for re-keying up to six locks of a specific brand, one kit for Schlage and one kit for Kwikset. However, I was told that I need to already have a working key in order to re-key a cylinder. Is this true? I am inclined to believe that with minimal equipment, and maybe some good instructions, I could learn to re-key this and other basic lock cylinders. It couldn't be any more difficult then changing oil could it? Now it occurs to me that I could look this up on the Internet. So I will now do that. Meanwhile, having prepared this inquiry, I will send it. Jerry 82 240D __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7271 (20120704) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
I'd ask at your local "real" hardware store. I've bought new dead bolts and had them set to match existing keys, but if you don't have the key you may need a locksmith. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
The process you want to use is called Impressioning: (http://www.gregmiller.net/locks/impress.html) Any file will work, you don't need fancy Swiss ones. When new to the process it helps to go over the top of the key blank with a permanent black magic marker to help see where the pins hit. You can also try filing at an angle. Easiest way to find key blanks is to go to a local 2600, hackerspace, or locksport meeting. Bring the lock with you. 90% chance someone there will have extras on hand. 100% chance they will know someone who does. Worst case you can buy them on eBay. -Dave Walton On Jul 4, 2012, at 8:23 PM, "Jerry Herrman" wrote: > I have a good quality new-in-box Schlage brand deadbolt, but the key is > missing. I do not want to discard this item and wonder if there is something > I can do (at minimal cost) to get a working key for it. The lock cylinder > can be removed but the cost of a new cylinder is about the same as the cost > of a new deadbolt with two keys. When I removed the lock cylinder, I noted > that there is a small plate or cover over the top of where the pins are. Am I > right in believing that I could remove this cap and replace these pins? > Since I have a few Schlage keys from other locks, would I be able to insert > "new"pins that would match up with a specific replacement key? > Where would I get an assortment of pins? > I know that home centers sell kits for re-keying up to six locks of a > specific brand, one kit for Schlage and one kit for Kwikset. However, I was > told that I need to already have a working key in order to re-key a cylinder. > Is this true? > I am inclined to believe that with minimal equipment, and maybe some good > instructions, I could learn to re-key this and other basic lock cylinders. It > couldn't be any more difficult then changing oil could it? > Now it occurs to me that I could look this up on the Internet. So I will now > do that. Meanwhile, having prepared this inquiry, I will send it. > > Jerry > 82 240D > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 7271 (20120704) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: re-keying locks
I have a good quality new-in-box Schlage brand deadbolt, but the key is missing. I do not want to discard this item and wonder if there is something I can do (at minimal cost) to get a working key for it. The lock cylinder can be removed but the cost of a new cylinder is about the same as the cost of a new deadbolt with two keys. When I removed the lock cylinder, I noted that there is a small plate or cover over the top of where the pins are. Am I right in believing that I could remove this cap and replace these pins? Since I have a few Schlage keys from other locks, would I be able to insert "new"pins that would match up with a specific replacement key? Where would I get an assortment of pins? I know that home centers sell kits for re-keying up to six locks of a specific brand, one kit for Schlage and one kit for Kwikset. However, I was told that I need to already have a working key in order to re-key a cylinder. Is this true? I am inclined to believe that with minimal equipment, and maybe some good instructions, I could learn to re-key this and other basic lock cylinders. It couldn't be any more difficult then changing oil could it? Now it occurs to me that I could look this up on the Internet. So I will now do that. Meanwhile, having prepared this inquiry, I will send it. Jerry 82 240D __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7271 (20120704) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
