Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Randy Bennell]

Maybe because black iron is much cheaper than copper these days.

Outside iron pipe has to have the yellow jacket etc to keep it from 
rusting and if the run is long, has to be welded, and tested etc. Copper 
coils are available in a longer length and are easier to transport etc.


So, use the copper outside where it is more flexible etc but switch to 
iron inside because it is cheaper and then use a short flex pipe at the 
end so that your gas fitter need not be quite as exact and it will take 
less time.


Randy


On 18/07/2012 6:58 PM, OK Don wrote:

Our houses seem to have copper from the propane tank to the house, iron in
the house, then a short length of flex copper to the appliance. We're in
the country - no requirement to follow codes ---

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Interesting, why would you bother?
Maybe the black iron is required now but didn't used to be? Every propane
fixture I've ever used has had copper for the whole thing. Thats not a huge
number of stoves though.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:20:32 -0400
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Curt Raymond  writes:


I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house
where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a
small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines.

MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it
transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing.

--
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Jim Cathey]

City/natural gas is very low pressure, or once was, so you
need a fairly large diameter pipe to get 'er done without
significant friction losses.  Large-diameter copper pipe
is tres expensive, and always has been when compared to iron.
Iron's increased labor costs are, I'm sure, more than compensated
for by the cheaper material in that size.  Small-diameter copper
pipe, suitable for propane's higher pressures, is much easier to
run. and probably doesn't cost 'too much'.

The iron pipe is also pretty hard to damage, like with a
wayward nail.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Rich Thomas]

The uniform plumbing code is adopted by most jurisdictions, maybe with a 
few changes here and there for local conditions.  I have a book in the 
addition, I will look it up tomorrow.  Or Google is your friend "uniform 
plumbing code LP gas line"


--R

On 7/19/12 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Its got to be a state by state thing. I'm sure the gas company put the copper 
line into my parent's house. The stove at my grandmother's house is only 5 or 6 
years old, I can't remember if it took a flare or compression fitting but it 
was definitely one of the two.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:04 -0500
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I don't think it is a big deal.  What I was told back in the 70s was
that gas makes copper brittle, and you need to use black iron.
However, I have seen no evidence.  I suspect it was the stranglehold
the iron/steel industry had on the gummit, that saw to it that the
gummit "inspectors" had to insist on black iron.



My parents have a similar setup from their tank to the house, it
goes probably 20' under the yard. Then copper through the house to
the stove/oven. I remember it being installed back in '80.
My grandmother's runs all copper inside the house from the tank to
the stove and water heater. Who knows how old that is, the house was
built in 1790 or thereabouts.

Our camp has all soft copper for the stove and 3 gas lights. That
would have all been run in the '60s

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Curt Raymond]

Uhhh, my copper oil burner line says thats wrong.

I had to have it replaced last year but that was only because its in the 
foundation of the house and needed to be replaced with a coated line so the 
lime in the concrete wouldn't eat it. The replacement looks like a copper line 
in a clear hose which I'm reasonably sure is what it is...

We're not going to fight about home heating fuel and diesel not being the same 
thing are we?

-Curt

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:52:14 -0400
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I have worked with propane for nearly 25 years in use as a motor fuel for 
stationary engines.  Copper has always been used as long as I can recall, 
especially on the high pressure side, and up to present day.  Black iron is 
used for natural gas installs (always) and occasionally for LP.

Copper is a no-no for diesel, as it will break down and flake off after a few 
years of exposure.

Dan

On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

> I don't think it is a big deal.  What I was told back in the 70s was that gas 
> makes copper brittle, and you need to use black iron. However, I have seen no 
> evidence.  I suspect it was the stranglehold the iron/steel industry had on 
> the gummit, that saw to it that the gummit "inspectors" had to insist on 
> black iron.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Curt Raymond]

Its got to be a state by state thing. I'm sure the gas company put the copper 
line into my parent's house. The stove at my grandmother's house is only 5 or 6 
years old, I can't remember if it took a flare or compression fitting but it 
was definitely one of the two.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:04 -0500
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I don't think it is a big deal.  What I was told back in the 70s was 
that gas makes copper brittle, and you need to use black iron. 
However, I have seen no evidence.  I suspect it was the stranglehold 
the iron/steel industry had on the gummit, that saw to it that the 
gummit "inspectors" had to insist on black iron.


>My parents have a similar setup from their tank to the house, it 
>goes probably 20' under the yard. Then copper through the house to 
>the stove/oven. I remember it being installed back in '80.
>My grandmother's runs all copper inside the house from the tank to 
>the stove and water heater. Who knows how old that is, the house was 
>built in 1790 or thereabouts.
>
>Our camp has all soft copper for the stove and 3 gas lights. That 
>would have all been run in the '60s
>
>-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Allan Streib]

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:

> I don't think it is a big deal.  What I was told back in the 70s was
> that gas makes copper brittle, and you need to use black
> iron. However, I have seen no evidence.  I suspect it was the
> stranglehold the iron/steel industry had on the gummit, that saw to it
> that the gummit "inspectors" had to insist on black iron.

I do see copper commonly used with propane.  Our little popup camper has
a propane bottle and a 2-burner stove, and it's all plumbed with soft
copper tube.  

With natural gas, the story was/is that the odorant and trace gasses
like hydrogen sulfide caused corrosion of copper pipes.  If you see
copper pipe used for natural gas it may be tin-lined internally.  Or it
may be a code violation, depending where you are.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Dan Penoff]

I have worked with propane for nearly 25 years in use as a motor fuel for 
stationary engines.  Copper has always been used as long as I can recall, 
especially on the high pressure side, and up to present day.  Black iron is 
used for natural gas installs (always) and occasionally for LP.

Copper is a no-no for diesel, as it will break down and flake off after a few 
years of exposure.

Dan

On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

> I don't think it is a big deal.  What I was told back in the 70s was that gas 
> makes copper brittle, and you need to use black iron. However, I have seen no 
> evidence.  I suspect it was the stranglehold the iron/steel industry had on 
> the gummit, that saw to it that the gummit "inspectors" had to insist on 
> black iron.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Dieselhead]

I don't think it is a big deal.  What I was told back in the 70s was 
that gas makes copper brittle, and you need to use black iron. 
However, I have seen no evidence.  I suspect it was the stranglehold 
the iron/steel industry had on the gummit, that saw to it that the 
gummit "inspectors" had to insist on black iron.



My parents have a similar setup from their tank to the house, it 
goes probably 20' under the yard. Then copper through the house to 
the stove/oven. I remember it being installed back in '80.
My grandmother's runs all copper inside the house from the tank to 
the stove and water heater. Who knows how old that is, the house was 
built in 1790 or thereabouts.


Our camp has all soft copper for the stove and 3 gas lights. That 
would have all been run in the '60s


-Curt

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:18:09 -0400
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Dieselhead wrote:

 I was always told that copper with propane was verboten, however FIL,
 who worked for the (natural) gas company, allowed the waterheater to be
 plumbed with copper for the last 5 feet.


The house I bought last winter had no propane tank.
My propane company pulled a permit to bury a line to the 500 gallon tank they
installed, and ran semirigid copper to the house from the tank. 
Inside I've got

copper to the utility area in the basement, black iron around the furnace and
water heater, and another run of copper from there to the kitchen stove.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Curt Raymond]

My parents have a similar setup from their tank to the house, it goes probably 
20' under the yard. Then copper through the house to the stove/oven. I remember 
it being installed back in '80.
My grandmother's runs all copper inside the house from the tank to the stove 
and water heater. Who knows how old that is, the house was built in 1790 or 
thereabouts.

Our camp has all soft copper for the stove and 3 gas lights. That would have 
all been run in the '60s

-Curt

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:18:09 -0400
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Dieselhead wrote:
> I was always told that copper with propane was verboten, however FIL, 
> who worked for the (natural) gas company, allowed the waterheater to be 
> plumbed with copper for the last 5 feet.

The house I bought last winter had no propane tank.
My propane company pulled a permit to bury a line to the 500 gallon tank they 
installed, and ran semirigid copper to the house from the tank. Inside I've got 
copper to the utility area in the basement, black iron around the furnace and 
water heater, and another run of copper from there to the kitchen stove.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
I was always told that copper with propane was verboten, however FIL, 
who worked for the (natural) gas company, allowed the waterheater to be 
plumbed with copper for the last 5 feet.


The house I bought last winter had no propane tank.
My propane company pulled a permit to bury a line to the 500 gallon tank they 
installed, and ran semirigid copper to the house from the tank. Inside I've got 
copper to the utility area in the basement, black iron around the furnace and 
water heater, and another run of copper from there to the kitchen stove.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction for cooking Guinea pigs

[Dieselhead]

Yep!  GP.  In this case, it meant guinea peeg.  When #1 Daughter had 
them she started calling them GP for short.  In this case, that 
thankfully never got further shortened to jeep.  So in this case it 
meant a GP without GPs.




I first figured it was Glow Plug, this being a Mercedes list and all --


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Dieselhead]

I was always told that copper with propane was verboten, however FIL, 
who worked for the (natural) gas company, allowed the waterheater to 
be plumbed with copper for the last 5 feet.


NG was always black iron, except flex tubing the last 36" or less was 
acceptable about 1970 or so and later.


I first saw the yellow covered NG flex tubing 2-3 years ago.  Looks 
like a a lot easier to install, but not as long term of a solution.





Interesting, why would you bother?
Maybe the black iron is required now but didn't used to be? Every 
propane fixture I've ever used has had copper for the whole thing. 
Thats not a huge number of stoves though.


-Curt

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:20:32 -0400
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Curt Raymond  writes:


 I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house
 where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a
 small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines.


MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it
transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction for cooking Guinea pigs

[Hendrik & Fay]

Hmmnh, space age glow plug, I might be a lot of things but not that.

Hendrik
who doesn't glow in the dark

On 19/07/12 09:39, OK Don wrote:

I first figured it was Glow Plug, this being a Mercedes list and all --







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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction for cooking Guinea pigs

[OK Don]

I first figured it was Glow Plug, this being a Mercedes list and all --

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

> That confused me, was thinking GP means general practitioner but then the
> brain warmed up a bit and figured you meant Guinea piggy.
>
> Hendrik
> who plays minesweeper in the morning to get the brain working
>
> On 18/07/12 22:04, Dieselhead wrote:
>
>> For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric
>>> stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction
>>> cooktop. Might be able to get this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-**
>>> ad/st-peters/appliances/**induction-cooktop/1003797140yeah
>>>  I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK,
>>> most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed.
>>> We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of
>>> getting it installed.
>>> However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and
>>> induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the
>>> cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop.
>>> Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights
>>> are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal.
>>> Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning
>>> cuppa.
>>> So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig?
>>>
>>> Hendrik
>>> who lives in the space age
>>>
>>
>> Hendrik,
>>
>> Looks to me like you will make a very good space age GP.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[OK Don]

Our houses seem to have copper from the propane tank to the house, iron in
the house, then a short length of flex copper to the appliance. We're in
the country - no requirement to follow codes ---

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Interesting, why would you bother?
> Maybe the black iron is required now but didn't used to be? Every propane
> fixture I've ever used has had copper for the whole thing. Thats not a huge
> number of stoves though.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:20:32 -0400
> From: Allan Streib 
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>
> Curt Raymond  writes:
>
> > I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house
> > where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a
> > small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines.
>
> MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it
> transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing.
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction for cooking Guinea pigs

[Hendrik & Fay]

That confused me, was thinking GP means general practitioner but then 
the brain warmed up a bit and figured you meant Guinea piggy.


Hendrik
who plays minesweeper in the morning to get the brain working

On 18/07/12 22:04, Dieselhead wrote:
For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school 
electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade 
to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this 
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140 
yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's 
OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed.
We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of 
getting it installed.
However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% 
and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of 
the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop.
Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, 
lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal.
Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning 
cuppa.

So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig?

Hendrik
who lives in the space age


Hendrik,

Looks to me like you will make a very good space age GP.






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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Curt Raymond]

Interesting, why would you bother?
Maybe the black iron is required now but didn't used to be? Every propane 
fixture I've ever used has had copper for the whole thing. Thats not a huge 
number of stoves though.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:20:32 -0400
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Curt Raymond  writes:

> I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house
> where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a
> small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines.

MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it
transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Allan Streib]

Randy Bennell  writes:

> But you are going to need the threading and cutting equipment too if
> you want to do a nice neat job.

That is true.  The few times I've had to do anything with it, I was
always lucky enough to be able to work with pre-cut, pre-threaded
pieces.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Randy Bennell]

On 18/07/2012 12:12 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Mountain Man  writes:


Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas.
Thanks for the encouragement that a modern GE is not bad - new 3 years
ago, cheapest dirty shirt locally from craigslist.
I think I prefer gas, and we have gas here (boiler) but electric hot
water and electric kitchen.  We rent, so tearing in to things is not
something I do without care to get things back to original.

Most landlords would not be happy about tenants altering something like
that.  Don't know about your specific situation.  But yeah black pipe is
pretty straightforward, use the brush-on dope, and test for leaks with
soapy water.  Don't use the teflon tape, little flecks of it can get
into the pipe and clog your burners.

Allan


But you are going to need the threading and cutting equipment too if you 
want to do a nice neat job. The pipes are not likely to be standard 
sizes. I think places like Home Depot will thread pipe for you but it 
would be somewhat difficult to get the sizes exact and have them cut and 
threaded ahead of time. Manual threading stuff can be had reasonably 
cheaply but it is a bit of work. I worked as an electrician's helper one 
summer back in high school and it was my job to thread the conduit pipe.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Randy Bennell]

Depends where you are etc., I should think. Many (most?) places won't 
let people do gas work without a licence. Installer has to attach his 
seal with his licence number endorsed etc. We had our fireplace changed 
over to a gas insert and it took the gas fitter quite a while to 
disassemble and then re-assemble the black pipe in the basement from the 
furnace and hot water tank and add in the line that feeds the fireplace.


Randy

On 17/07/2012 8:57 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Holy crow man how much gas you gonna use?

A stove doesn't run on high pressure gas, you gotta feed it regulated gas, 
small copper pipe...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:06:35 -0500
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Allan wrote:

All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
one.  I much prefer gas.

Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas.
Thanks for the encouragement that a modern GE is not bad - new 3 years
ago, cheapest dirty shirt locally from craigslist.
I think I prefer gas, and we have gas here (boiler) but electric hot
water and electric kitchen.  We rent, so tearing in to things is not
something I do without care to get things back to original.  Basement
is finished ceiling & old knotty pine paneling.  Gas looks like there
is direct tap for other appliances but I have never felt confident to
tear in to the finished ceiling.  Maybe I need to be more adventurous
and do the gas run to the utility room and kitchen upstairs.  Black
iron pipe is not hard to hang & install, is it?  Dope joints against
leak, testing is easy, isn't it?  The tough part for me would be the
plaster/drywall - built in 1948 so I don't know what the ceiling is.
Floor is asbestos tile - we don't care.
mao






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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction

[Rich Thomas]

My wife has indicated support for that option as well, though she hardly 
ever cooks anything.  I have told her that gas is the way to go, but she 
says a gas cooktop is hard to clean (though I am the one who cleans 
it).  She sees the slick-top thing as the way to go because it does not 
look like a useful appliance.


Sigh.

--R

On 7/18/12 1:53 PM, OK Don wrote:

My boss occasionally asks for induction and goes prowling through the
appliance stores looking at them. I nominate H&F to be the GPs and report
back to us!

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


We had one some years back. It wasn't as fussy about the type of cookware
as they claimed, but if you were heating a pot of water to boil you could
tell a difference. When we moved on to the next cooktop or stove, we went
to plain electric with the ceramic/glass top and skipped the induction. We
figured the additional expense for the cookware was unwarranted.

Dan

On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:


For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric

stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction
cooktop. Might be able to get this
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140yeah
 I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK,
most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed.

We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of

getting it installed.

However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and

induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the
cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop.

Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights

are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal.

Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning

cuppa.

So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig?

Hendrik
who lives in the space age

On 17/07/12 14:17, Allan Streib wrote:

I agree with most of this.  We had one for about 5 years.  Never a
problem with it.  I will say that I think that using flat pans is really
important.  A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion
of the "burner" surface area.

All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
one.  I much prefer gas.

Allan




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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Dan Penoff]

Google "flexible natural gas line fire lightning" and you will get a number of 
hits on CSST and fires related to electrical issues.

Dan

On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> I was told by a plumber that there were documented instances of fires 
> resulting from this type of tubing due to things like lightning strikes, 
> hence the overabundance of grounding means.
> 
> He loved the stuff, and I can understand why. In my former house there was 
> probably about 200' of gas line due to gas fireplaces and runs to a kitchen 
> island for future use. It would have probably taken a skilled plumber a 
> couple of days to run black iron pipe. With the flexible stuff they were 
> probably done before lunchtime.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
>> Dan Penoff  writes:
>> 
>>> One thing I heard about it was issues with grounding, as it apparently
>>> does not conduct electricity well if it's not installed correctly.
>>> Part of my grounding system was bonded to the manifold.
>> 
>> I've never heard of electrical grounding through the gas line!  Cold
>> water main only.  The gas line typically is above ground until it gets
>> to the meter/regulator, and I don't think it necessarily forms a good
>> electrical connection to the underground line, maybe it would if there
>> were a grounding strap across the meter/regulator.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Dan Penoff]

I was told by a plumber that there were documented instances of fires resulting 
from this type of tubing due to things like lightning strikes, hence the 
overabundance of grounding means.

He loved the stuff, and I can understand why. In my former house there was 
probably about 200' of gas line due to gas fireplaces and runs to a kitchen 
island for future use. It would have probably taken a skilled plumber a couple 
of days to run black iron pipe. With the flexible stuff they were probably done 
before lunchtime.

Dan

On Jul 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Dan Penoff  writes:
> 
>> One thing I heard about it was issues with grounding, as it apparently
>> does not conduct electricity well if it's not installed correctly.
>> Part of my grounding system was bonded to the manifold.
> 
> I've never heard of electrical grounding through the gas line!  Cold
> water main only.  The gas line typically is above ground until it gets
> to the meter/regulator, and I don't think it necessarily forms a good
> electrical connection to the underground line, maybe it would if there
> were a grounding strap across the meter/regulator.
> 
> Allan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction

[OK Don]

My boss occasionally asks for induction and goes prowling through the
appliance stores looking at them. I nominate H&F to be the GPs and report
back to us!

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> We had one some years back. It wasn't as fussy about the type of cookware
> as they claimed, but if you were heating a pot of water to boil you could
> tell a difference. When we moved on to the next cooktop or stove, we went
> to plain electric with the ceramic/glass top and skipped the induction. We
> figured the additional expense for the cookware was unwarranted.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:
>
> > For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric
> stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction
> cooktop. Might be able to get this
> http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140yeah
>  I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK,
> most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed.
> > We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of
> getting it installed.
> > However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and
> induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the
> cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop.
> > Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights
> are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal.
> > Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning
> cuppa.
> > So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig?
> >
> > Hendrik
> > who lives in the space age
> >
> > On 17/07/12 14:17, Allan Streib wrote:
> >> I agree with most of this.  We had one for about 5 years.  Never a
> >> problem with it.  I will say that I think that using flat pans is really
> >> important.  A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion
> >> of the "burner" surface area.
> >>
> >> All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
> >> one.  I much prefer gas.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond  writes:

> I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house
> where that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a
> small town) get propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines.

MIL has propane, copper line from the tank to the house, where it
transitions to iron pipe for the internal plumbing.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Allan Streib]

Dan Penoff  writes:

> One thing I heard about it was issues with grounding, as it apparently
> does not conduct electricity well if it's not installed correctly.
> Part of my grounding system was bonded to the manifold.

I've never heard of electrical grounding through the gas line!  Cold
water main only.  The gas line typically is above ground until it gets
to the meter/regulator, and I don't think it necessarily forms a good
electrical connection to the underground line, maybe it would if there
were a grounding strap across the meter/regulator.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Allan Streib]

Craig  writes:

> We recently had a gas line extended to be able to use a gas dryer in our
> new laundry room. The (licensed, official) plumber used a gas line that
> is about 3/4" diameter made of corrugated stainless steel tubing covered
> by a thick yellow plastic material. That is apparently the code now.

Yeah that is what they use when they need to go in and around existing
improvements without tearing a lot of stuff apart, because you can snake
it.  Its a lot more expensive than iron pipe but potentially a lot less
labor to install.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Allan Streib]

Mountain Man  writes:

> Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas.
> Thanks for the encouragement that a modern GE is not bad - new 3 years
> ago, cheapest dirty shirt locally from craigslist.
> I think I prefer gas, and we have gas here (boiler) but electric hot
> water and electric kitchen.  We rent, so tearing in to things is not
> something I do without care to get things back to original.

Most landlords would not be happy about tenants altering something like
that.  Don't know about your specific situation.  But yeah black pipe is
pretty straightforward, use the brush-on dope, and test for leaks with
soapy water.  Don't use the teflon tape, little flecks of it can get
into the pipe and clog your burners.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction

[Dan Penoff]

We had one some years back. It wasn't as fussy about the type of cookware as 
they claimed, but if you were heating a pot of water to boil you could tell a 
difference. When we moved on to the next cooktop or stove, we went to plain 
electric with the ceramic/glass top and skipped the induction. We figured the 
additional expense for the cookware was unwarranted.

Dan

On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:

> For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric 
> stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to induction 
> cooktop. Might be able to get this 
> http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140
>  yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, 
> most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed.
> We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of getting 
> it installed.
> However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and 
> induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the cookware. 
> Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop.
> Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights are 
> off, think I'll whip up a four course meal.
> Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa.
> So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig?
> 
> Hendrik
> who lives in the space age
> 
> On 17/07/12 14:17, Allan Streib wrote:
>> I agree with most of this.  We had one for about 5 years.  Never a
>> problem with it.  I will say that I think that using flat pans is really
>> important.  A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion
>> of the "burner" surface area.
>> 
>> All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
>> one.  I much prefer gas.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Curt Raymond]

I forget about city connections to natgas. I've never lived in a house where 
that was an option. Us country folks (I live in town but its a small town) get 
propane from a bottle and run soft copper lines.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:23:04 -0500
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Curt wrote:
> Holy crow man how much gas you gonna use?
>
> A stove doesn't run on high pressure gas, you gotta feed it regulated gas, 
> small copper pipe...
>

I believe everything needs to be black iron, but I could be wrong.
Black iron from meter to inside of house and then to boiler.  Not high
pressure gas, but that is the way all natural gas utility connections
I have ever seen run.  The last couple feet are allowed to be the flex
metal to the appliance.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction

[Dieselhead]

For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school 
electric stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might 
upgrade to induction cooktop. Might be able to get this 
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140 
yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's 
OK, most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed.
We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of 
getting it installed.
However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% 
and induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of 
the cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop.
Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, 
lights are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal.

Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa.
So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig?

Hendrik
who lives in the space age


Hendrik,

Looks to me like you will make a very good space age GP.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop now with extra induction

[Hendrik & Fay]

For many years the boss has been bitching about our old school electric 
stovetop, seeing that I am such a nice bloke I might upgrade to 
induction cooktop. Might be able to get this 
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/st-peters/appliances/induction-cooktop/1003797140 
yeah I know I need to get magnetic cookware to go with it but that's OK, 
most of our cookware is ancient and stuffed.
We don't have gas hooked up to the house, so don't know the cost of 
getting it installed.
However gas cooktops run at 40% efficiency, ceramic types run at 75% and 
induction is up to 85-90% depending on the quality and size of the 
cookware. Well this actually affects all forms of cooktop.
Sure people say, what about when there is a power outage? Hmmnh, lights 
are off, think I'll whip up a four course meal.

Last time we boiled the billy on the barby and still got my morning cuppa.
So has anyone played around with induction or shall I be the guinea pig?

Hendrik
who lives in the space age

On 17/07/12 14:17, Allan Streib wrote:

I agree with most of this.  We had one for about 5 years.  Never a
problem with it.  I will say that I think that using flat pans is really
important.  A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion
of the "burner" surface area.

All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
one.  I much prefer gas.

Allan





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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Frederick Moir]

City gas is one half psi.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Curt Raymond 
>To: Diesel List  
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
> 
>Holy crow man how much gas you gonna use?
>
>A stove doesn't run on high pressure gas, you gotta feed it regulated gas, 
>small copper pipe...
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:06:35 -0500
>From: Mountain Man 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
>Message-ID:
>    
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Allan wrote:
>> All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
>> one.  I much prefer gas.
>
>Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Dan Penoff]

Has been for some time.  All of the gas lines in my former house in Indiana 
that was built in 2005 had this stuff.  There was black iron pipe from the 
meter to a manifold in the basement, and from the manifold out to all the 
appliances it was the corrugated stainless stuff.

One thing I heard about it was issues with grounding, as it apparently does not 
conduct electricity well if it's not installed correctly.  Part of my grounding 
system was bonded to the manifold.

Dan


On Jul 17, 2012, at 10:56 PM, Craig wrote:

> We recently had a gas line extended to be able to use a gas dryer in our
> new laundry room. The (licensed, official) plumber used a gas line that
> is about 3/4" diameter made of corrugated stainless steel tubing covered
> by a thick yellow plastic material. That is apparently the code now.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Craig]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:29:12 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Same here ---
> 
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
> 
> > I believe everything needs to be black iron, but I could be wrong.
> > Black iron from meter to inside of house and then to boiler.  Not high
> > pressure gas, but that is the way all natural gas utility connections
> > I have ever seen run.  The last couple feet are allowed to be the flex
> > metal to the appliance.
> > mao

We recently had a gas line extended to be able to use a gas dryer in our
new laundry room. The (licensed, official) plumber used a gas line that
is about 3/4" diameter made of corrugated stainless steel tubing covered
by a thick yellow plastic material. That is apparently the code now.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[OK Don]

Same here ---

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> I believe everything needs to be black iron, but I could be wrong.
> Black iron from meter to inside of house and then to boiler.  Not high
> pressure gas, but that is the way all natural gas utility connections
> I have ever seen run.  The last couple feet are allowed to be the flex
> metal to the appliance.
> mao
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> Holy crow man how much gas you gonna use?
>
> A stove doesn't run on high pressure gas, you gotta feed it regulated gas, 
> small copper pipe...
>

I believe everything needs to be black iron, but I could be wrong.
Black iron from meter to inside of house and then to boiler.  Not high
pressure gas, but that is the way all natural gas utility connections
I have ever seen run.  The last couple feet are allowed to be the flex
metal to the appliance.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Curt Raymond]

Holy crow man how much gas you gonna use?

A stove doesn't run on high pressure gas, you gotta feed it regulated gas, 
small copper pipe...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:06:35 -0500
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Allan wrote:
> All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
> one.  I much prefer gas.

Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas.
Thanks for the encouragement that a modern GE is not bad - new 3 years
ago, cheapest dirty shirt locally from craigslist.
I think I prefer gas, and we have gas here (boiler) but electric hot
water and electric kitchen.  We rent, so tearing in to things is not
something I do without care to get things back to original.  Basement
is finished ceiling & old knotty pine paneling.  Gas looks like there
is direct tap for other appliances but I have never felt confident to
tear in to the finished ceiling.  Maybe I need to be more adventurous
and do the gas run to the utility room and kitchen upstairs.  Black
iron pipe is not hard to hang & install, is it?  Dope joints against
leak, testing is easy, isn't it?  The tough part for me would be the
plaster/drywall - built in 1948 so I don't know what the ceiling is.
Floor is asbestos tile - we don't care.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Mountain Man]

Allan wrote:
> All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
> one.  I much prefer gas.

Now you guys have morphed this thread over to gas.
Thanks for the encouragement that a modern GE is not bad - new 3 years
ago, cheapest dirty shirt locally from craigslist.
I think I prefer gas, and we have gas here (boiler) but electric hot
water and electric kitchen.  We rent, so tearing in to things is not
something I do without care to get things back to original.  Basement
is finished ceiling & old knotty pine paneling.  Gas looks like there
is direct tap for other appliances but I have never felt confident to
tear in to the finished ceiling.  Maybe I need to be more adventurous
and do the gas run to the utility room and kitchen upstairs.  Black
iron pipe is not hard to hang & install, is it?  Dope joints against
leak, testing is easy, isn't it?  The tough part for me would be the
plaster/drywall - built in 1948 so I don't know what the ceiling is.
Floor is asbestos tile - we don't care.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Allan Streib]

I agree with most of this.  We had one for about 5 years.  Never a
problem with it.  I will say that I think that using flat pans is really
important.  A crowned pan bottom is basically contacting a small portion
of the "burner" surface area.

All that said, I don't hate them, but I would probably never buy another
one.  I much prefer gas.

Allan

Dan Penoff  writes:

> We have had them on a number of cooktops and stoves over the years,
> and have been very pleased with them.
>
> The best part is that you don't had to worry about exposed burners and
> cleaning underneath them.
>
> They do require a different means of cleaning (scraping if you get
> really messy and using the special cleaner) but other than that they
> are pretty much hassle free.
>
> I have never broken one, but I suspect you could if you hit it hard
> enough.  I have dropped pots and pans on them accidentally and not
> done any damage.
>
> You have to have cookware that is flat bottomed, that is, it needs to
> be good and flat - you'll know if you have a skillet or pan that is
> crowned.  It will still work, but it's not as efficient.  We have
> always used hard anodized professional cookware, the bulk of which is
> Magnalite, but you can use just about any kind of cookware you like.
>
> People used to complain that you couldn't control the heat as well (as
> a gas stove) with these cooktops, but that's simply not true.  We
> currently have a Maytag range with a ceramic cooktop, and I can simmer
> as low as you want, not to mention that it even has a warming area in
> the center, too.
>
> Given the choice, I would stick with ceramic cooktops.
>
> Dan
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Dan Penoff]

Early ones were problematic, but for some years now they have become far 
faster. One of the burners on my current cooktop even has a "fast heat" setting 
that can bring pot of water to boil as quick or quicker than a gas cooktop (I 
have a gas stove on the lanai to compare with. The former owners were Indian 
and had it set up to do their cooking outside.)

Dan

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On Jul 16, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>> People used to complain that you couldn't control the heat as well
> 
> We _hated_ ours, and couldn't wait to replace it.  The thermal
> lag was extreme, far worse than a regular electric coil stove,
> which was its replacement.  But it was an early one.
> 
> I now dry parts in its oven, out in the garage.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[OK Don]

We have a Maytag glass top range with double ovens. Bought it 5 or 6 years
ago. My wife loves it so much that I had to pull out the gas range and move
the Maytag to the new house.
Yes, the burners are slow to heat, and slow to cool, but work just fine
once you get used to it. No instant gratification, but a solid performer.
Bottom line - different strokes for different folks.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> We've got one, I hate it for all the reasons I hate electric, Dan is
> completely wrong. ;)
>
> Seriously, as soon as this one quits I'll switch to gas. If I get a good
> deal on a gas range in the meantime I'll switch to gas. You just cannot
> compare the slow heating/slow cooling of an electric to a good gas range.
> That said there are so many poor gas ranges I'd guess people that prefer
> electric have never used a good one. I'm partial to a completely
> non-electric unit so when the power goes out cooking is unaffected. We have
> one in our camp though its a 30" model. I'd like to have a 36" version for
> here.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:59:59 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> We have had them on a number of cooktops and stoves over the years, and
> have been very pleased with them.
>
> The best part is that you don't had to worry about exposed burners and
> cleaning underneath them.
>
> They do require a different means of cleaning (scraping if you get really
> messy and using the special cleaner) but other than that they are pretty
> much hassle free.
>
> I have never broken one, but I suspect you could if you hit it hard
> enough.  I have dropped pots and pans on them accidentally and  not done
> any damage.
>
> You have to have cookware that is flat bottomed, that is, it needs to be
> good and flat - you'll know if you have a skillet or pan that is crowned.
>  It will still work, but it's not as efficient.  We have always used hard
> anodized professional cookware, the bulk of which is Magnalite, but you can
> use just about any kind of cookware you like.
>
> People used to complain that you couldn't control the heat as well (as a
> gas stove) with these cooktops, but that's simply not true.  We currently
> have a Maytag range with a ceramic cooktop, and I can simmer as low as you
> want, not to mention that it even has a warming area in the center, too.
>
> Given the choice, I would stick with ceramic cooktops.
>
> Dan
>
> On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>
> > Someone give me review of ceramic stovetop.
> > Do they last?
> > Are they problem-prone?
> > Does the glass break often?
> > Can they be repaired?
> > thx
> > mao
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Craig]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> I'm partial to a completely non-electric unit so when the power goes
> out cooking is unaffected.

You can always use one of those spring/piezoelectric sparkers that people
use on gas grills.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Curt Raymond]

We've got one, I hate it for all the reasons I hate electric, Dan is completely 
wrong. ;)

Seriously, as soon as this one quits I'll switch to gas. If I get a good deal 
on a gas range in the meantime I'll switch to gas. You just cannot compare the 
slow heating/slow cooling of an electric to a good gas range. That said there 
are so many poor gas ranges I'd guess people that prefer electric have never 
used a good one. I'm partial to a completely non-electric unit so when the 
power goes out cooking is unaffected. We have one in our camp though its a 30" 
model. I'd like to have a 36" version for here.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:59:59 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 
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We have had them on a number of cooktops and stoves over the years, and have 
been very pleased with them.

The best part is that you don't had to worry about exposed burners and cleaning 
underneath them.

They do require a different means of cleaning (scraping if you get really messy 
and using the special cleaner) but other than that they are pretty much hassle 
free.

I have never broken one, but I suspect you could if you hit it hard enough.  I 
have dropped pots and pans on them accidentally and  not done any damage.

You have to have cookware that is flat bottomed, that is, it needs to be good 
and flat - you'll know if you have a skillet or pan that is crowned.  It will 
still work, but it's not as efficient.  We have always used hard anodized 
professional cookware, the bulk of which is Magnalite, but you can use just 
about any kind of cookware you like.

People used to complain that you couldn't control the heat as well (as a gas 
stove) with these cooktops, but that's simply not true.  We currently have a 
Maytag range with a ceramic cooktop, and I can simmer as low as you want, not 
to mention that it even has a warming area in the center, too.

Given the choice, I would stick with ceramic cooktops.

Dan

On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Someone give me review of ceramic stovetop.
> Do they last?
> Are they problem-prone?
> Does the glass break often?
> Can they be repaired?
> thx
> mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Jim Cathey]

People used to complain that you couldn't control the heat as well


We _hated_ ours, and couldn't wait to replace it.  The thermal
lag was extreme, far worse than a regular electric coil stove,
which was its replacement.  But it was an early one.

I now dry parts in its oven, out in the garage.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Scott Ritchey]

Had one for two years in the 80s. Agree with all Dan said.  Also, you
couldn't tell by looking if a burner was hot, or not, if that matters to
you.  Invisible traces of food, etc., will turn brown when hot and we found
the special cleaning stuff was required to restore the new appearance.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

We have had them on a number of cooktops and stoves over the years, and have
been very pleased with them.

The best part is that you don't had to worry about exposed burners and
cleaning underneath them.

They do require a different means of cleaning (scraping if you get really
messy and using the special cleaner) but other than that they are pretty
much hassle free.

I have never broken one, but I suspect you could if you hit it hard enough.
I have dropped pots and pans on them accidentally and  not done any damage.

You have to have cookware that is flat bottomed, that is, it needs to be
good and flat - you'll know if you have a skillet or pan that is crowned.
It will still work, but it's not as efficient.  We have always used hard
anodized professional cookware, the bulk of which is Magnalite, but you can
use just about any kind of cookware you like.

People used to complain that you couldn't control the heat as well (as a gas
stove) with these cooktops, but that's simply not true.  We currently have a
Maytag range with a ceramic cooktop, and I can simmer as low as you want,
not to mention that it even has a warming area in the center, too.

Given the choice, I would stick with ceramic cooktops.

Dan

On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Someone give me review of ceramic stovetop.
> Do they last?
> Are they problem-prone?
> Does the glass break often?
> Can they be repaired?
> thx
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Fmiser]

> Mountain Man wrote:

> Someone give me review of ceramic stovetop.
> Do they last?

My folks had one.  It lasted a lot of years - till someone
didn't get the heat turned down after the boiling started and it
cracked.

> Are they problem-prone?

It's a very flat surface, and so most pans are going to have
only a couple points actually in contact.

Cleaning is relatively easy because it is all one, big flat
surface.  A little scouring powder and it's all shine clean
again.

> Does the glass break often?
> Can they be repaired?

I don't think it's repairable.  Likely replaceable - if you can
find the parts.

I much prefer flame.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Dan Penoff]

We have had them on a number of cooktops and stoves over the years, and have 
been very pleased with them.

The best part is that you don't had to worry about exposed burners and cleaning 
underneath them.

They do require a different means of cleaning (scraping if you get really messy 
and using the special cleaner) but other than that they are pretty much hassle 
free.

I have never broken one, but I suspect you could if you hit it hard enough.  I 
have dropped pots and pans on them accidentally and  not done any damage.

You have to have cookware that is flat bottomed, that is, it needs to be good 
and flat - you'll know if you have a skillet or pan that is crowned.  It will 
still work, but it's not as efficient.  We have always used hard anodized 
professional cookware, the bulk of which is Magnalite, but you can use just 
about any kind of cookware you like.

People used to complain that you couldn't control the heat as well (as a gas 
stove) with these cooktops, but that's simply not true.  We currently have a 
Maytag range with a ceramic cooktop, and I can simmer as low as you want, not 
to mention that it even has a warming area in the center, too.

Given the choice, I would stick with ceramic cooktops.

Dan

On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Someone give me review of ceramic stovetop.
> Do they last?
> Are they problem-prone?
> Does the glass break often?
> Can they be repaired?
> thx
> mao
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[MBZ] OT - Ceramic stovetop

[Mountain Man]

Someone give me review of ceramic stovetop.
Do they last?
Are they problem-prone?
Does the glass break often?
Can they be repaired?
thx
mao

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