Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-19 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I helped write the original screen play during two tours... Don't need to
watch the movie, tyvm..

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am probably going to have to go back and watch it again, it has been a
> while since I have seen it.
>
> On 12/19/2020 6:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Watched the first episode last night. Wife had seen it already and said
> I would be pissed after I saw it. I was. Why couldn’t the French have just
> left them alone after WWII and ditched the colonialism thing? The
> Vietnamese were all ready to do their own thing as they had in the past, no
> need for some other nation state to stand over them and tell them how
> things are done.
> >
> > Like most of Ken Burns’ stuff, it was well done. Looking forward to the
> next episode.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 18, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> My father came back pretty messed up in the head.  I have had a lot of
> people who knew him before he went and they say he came back a completely
> different person.
> >>
> >> On 12/18/2020 2:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news
> aspects, I was too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in
> school who’s older brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up
> in the head.
> >>>
> >>> I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was
> up with the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just
> wondering.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen
> while Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
> 
>  Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I
> felt a great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-19 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I am probably going to have to go back and watch it again, it has been a 
while since I have seen it.


On 12/19/2020 6:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Watched the first episode last night. Wife had seen it already and said I would 
be pissed after I saw it. I was. Why couldn’t the French have just left them 
alone after WWII and ditched the colonialism thing? The Vietnamese were all 
ready to do their own thing as they had in the past, no need for some other 
nation state to stand over them and tell them how things are done.

Like most of Ken Burns’ stuff, it was well done. Looking forward to the next 
episode.

-D


On Dec 18, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

My father came back pretty messed up in the head.  I have had a lot of people 
who knew him before he went and they say he came back a completely different 
person.

On 12/18/2020 2:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I was 
too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school who’s older 
brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the head.

I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up with 
the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just wondering.

Thanks!

-D


On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:

It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while Mom 
had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.

Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-19 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Watched the first episode last night. Wife had seen it already and said I would 
be pissed after I saw it. I was. Why couldn’t the French have just left them 
alone after WWII and ditched the colonialism thing? The Vietnamese were all 
ready to do their own thing as they had in the past, no need for some other 
nation state to stand over them and tell them how things are done.

Like most of Ken Burns’ stuff, it was well done. Looking forward to the next 
episode.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My father came back pretty messed up in the head.  I have had a lot of people 
> who knew him before he went and they say he came back a completely different 
> person.
> 
> On 12/18/2020 2:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I 
>> was too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school 
>> who’s older brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the 
>> head.
>> 
>> I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up 
>> with the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just 
>> wondering.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while 
>>> Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
>>> 
>>> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
>>> great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
My father came back pretty messed up in the head.  I have had a lot of 
people who knew him before he went and they say he came back a 
completely different person.


On 12/18/2020 2:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I was 
too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school who’s older 
brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the head.

I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up with 
the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just wondering.

Thanks!

-D


On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:

It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while Mom 
had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.

Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

If it is the same one I am thinking of, yes, it is well worth it.

On 12/18/2020 2:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Has anyone watched this series by Ken Burns? I have seen bits and pieces of it 
but wasn’t sure the whole thing was worth watching, since it’s like 12 hours 
long.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I drew 248 and was therefore able to enlist in the Peace Corps.  I refused
to go to a recent college reunion because they were going to have lots of
group talk about the Experience of Vietnam, which meant nothing to me
personally.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 6:10 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I lost several HS classmates to Vietnam. I missed going due to Nixon's
> first draft lottery where I drew 324. My best friend at the time drew 24.
> He stayed in ROTC and let the Army send him to medical school, I dropped
> out of ROTC and stopped cutting my hair and shaving.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 4:45 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Agreed. As I mentioned, I had some school buddies who’s older brothers
> > were over there, and when they came back some of them were pretty messed
> > up. I worked for one of them when I pumped gas a few months in high
> school,
> > and this guy was a real hum dinger. He couldn’t handle stress at all. We
> > weren’t allowed to have more than a certain amount of cash on us at any
> > time, so if you collected a number of sales and were over the limit you
> > were supposed to make a drop in the safe. During rush hour he would get
> so
> > worked up about having to make drops after nearly every sale that he
> would
> > end up going into the office and locking himself in there so he could
> calm
> > down. We would be pumping gas and not able to make change in some
> instances
> > because we would need to get change from him.
> >
> > One of my best friends is a Vietnam vet. He was a photographer for the
> > Army, and while he saw some action he wasn’t in the really nasty stuff
> > according to him. Good guy, pretty stable from what I’ve seen over 20
> some
> > years, but he’s got some personality traits that I suspect are either a
> > result of his service or that he’s a hard core New Yorker - tough to make
> > the distinction.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I watched it when it was on PBS, it was pretty good but made me angry
> > and frustrated. Such a waste.
> > >
> > > I worked summers after HS and in college at the airport at a FBO. We
> had
> > one pilot who flew charters, he was a few years older than me and had
> been
> > there. We would hang out in the evenings when things were slow. One night
> > we were talking and he had this flashback episode like he was back there
> > and reliving this incident.  It was scary, he didn’t get violent or
> > anything, but it was incredibly emotional and very difficult for him. Bad
> > sh*t happened there. I felt really bad for him. Nobody had the term PTSD
> > back then but that was clearly what was going on for him.
> > >
> > > On another interesting note — Uncle Ho supposedly worked in a Chinese
> > restaurant in FWA for awhile before he went back and became a
> > revolutionary. Several people told me this.
> > >
> > > --FT
> > > Sent from iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news
> > aspects, I was too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends
> in
> > school who’s older brothers were over there and came back pretty messed
> up
> > in the head.
> > >>
> > >> I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was
> > up with the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just
> > wondering.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen
> > while Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
> > >>>
> > >>> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I
> > felt a great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I lost several HS classmates to Vietnam. I missed going due to Nixon's
first draft lottery where I drew 324. My best friend at the time drew 24.
He stayed in ROTC and let the Army send him to medical school, I dropped
out of ROTC and stopped cutting my hair and shaving.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 4:45 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Agreed. As I mentioned, I had some school buddies who’s older brothers
> were over there, and when they came back some of them were pretty messed
> up. I worked for one of them when I pumped gas a few months in high school,
> and this guy was a real hum dinger. He couldn’t handle stress at all. We
> weren’t allowed to have more than a certain amount of cash on us at any
> time, so if you collected a number of sales and were over the limit you
> were supposed to make a drop in the safe. During rush hour he would get so
> worked up about having to make drops after nearly every sale that he would
> end up going into the office and locking himself in there so he could calm
> down. We would be pumping gas and not able to make change in some instances
> because we would need to get change from him.
>
> One of my best friends is a Vietnam vet. He was a photographer for the
> Army, and while he saw some action he wasn’t in the really nasty stuff
> according to him. Good guy, pretty stable from what I’ve seen over 20 some
> years, but he’s got some personality traits that I suspect are either a
> result of his service or that he’s a hard core New Yorker - tough to make
> the distinction.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I watched it when it was on PBS, it was pretty good but made me angry
> and frustrated. Such a waste.
> >
> > I worked summers after HS and in college at the airport at a FBO. We had
> one pilot who flew charters, he was a few years older than me and had been
> there. We would hang out in the evenings when things were slow. One night
> we were talking and he had this flashback episode like he was back there
> and reliving this incident.  It was scary, he didn’t get violent or
> anything, but it was incredibly emotional and very difficult for him. Bad
> sh*t happened there. I felt really bad for him. Nobody had the term PTSD
> back then but that was clearly what was going on for him.
> >
> > On another interesting note — Uncle Ho supposedly worked in a Chinese
> restaurant in FWA for awhile before he went back and became a
> revolutionary. Several people told me this.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news
> aspects, I was too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in
> school who’s older brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up
> in the head.
> >>
> >> I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was
> up with the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just
> wondering.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen
> while Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
> >>>
> >>> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I
> felt a great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Agreed. As I mentioned, I had some school buddies who’s older brothers were 
over there, and when they came back some of them were pretty messed up. I 
worked for one of them when I pumped gas a few months in high school, and this 
guy was a real hum dinger. He couldn’t handle stress at all. We weren’t allowed 
to have more than a certain amount of cash on us at any time, so if you 
collected a number of sales and were over the limit you were supposed to make a 
drop in the safe. During rush hour he would get so worked up about having to 
make drops after nearly every sale that he would end up going into the office 
and locking himself in there so he could calm down. We would be pumping gas and 
not able to make change in some instances because we would need to get change 
from him.

One of my best friends is a Vietnam vet. He was a photographer for the Army, 
and while he saw some action he wasn’t in the really nasty stuff according to 
him. Good guy, pretty stable from what I’ve seen over 20 some years, but he’s 
got some personality traits that I suspect are either a result of his service 
or that he’s a hard core New Yorker - tough to make the distinction.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I watched it when it was on PBS, it was pretty good but made me angry and 
> frustrated. Such a waste. 
> 
> I worked summers after HS and in college at the airport at a FBO. We had one 
> pilot who flew charters, he was a few years older than me and had been there. 
> We would hang out in the evenings when things were slow. One night we were 
> talking and he had this flashback episode like he was back there and reliving 
> this incident.  It was scary, he didn’t get violent or anything, but it was 
> incredibly emotional and very difficult for him. Bad sh*t happened there. I 
> felt really bad for him. Nobody had the term PTSD back then but that was 
> clearly what was going on for him. 
> 
> On another interesting note — Uncle Ho supposedly worked in a Chinese 
> restaurant in FWA for awhile before he went back and became a revolutionary. 
> Several people told me this. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I 
>> was too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school 
>> who’s older brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the 
>> head. 
>> 
>> I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up 
>> with the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just 
>> wondering.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while 
>>> Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
>>> 
>>> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
>>> great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The French bailed on Viet Nam because holding on to a plantation colony wasn't 
worth the money, effort, or dead soldiers.  The Viet Cong were probably the 
best army in the world, having been in combat (and winning) since the 1920's 
fighting off the Chinese under several governments and the Japanese during 
WWII.  Chinese expansion has stopped in Viet Nam multiple times over the 
centuries of recorded history.

Incidentally, Uncle Ho became a communist in the 1920's after he was bodily 
thrown down the front stairs of the League Of Nations for having the temerity 
to ask when Viet Nam was going to become an independent country (as it had been 
for the previous several centuries).  Like Mahatma Ghandi, he started out as a 
conservative government trainee and was radicalized by the right wingers of the 
time.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
I watched it when it was on PBS, it was pretty good but made me angry and 
frustrated. Such a waste. 

I worked summers after HS and in college at the airport at a FBO. We had one 
pilot who flew charters, he was a few years older than me and had been there. 
We would hang out in the evenings when things were slow. One night we were 
talking and he had this flashback episode like he was back there and reliving 
this incident.  It was scary, he didn’t get violent or anything, but it was 
incredibly emotional and very difficult for him. Bad sh*t happened there. I 
felt really bad for him. Nobody had the term PTSD back then but that was 
clearly what was going on for him. 

On another interesting note — Uncle Ho supposedly worked in a Chinese 
restaurant in FWA for awhile before he went back and became a revolutionary. 
Several people told me this. 

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> As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I 
> was too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school who’s 
> older brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the head. 
> 
> I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up with 
> the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just wondering.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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>> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while 
>> Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
>> 
>> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
>> great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
As I was alive at the time and recall a lot of the evening news aspects, I was 
too young to fully grasp what was going on. I had friends in school who’s older 
brothers were over there and came back pretty messed up in the head. 

I’m interested mainly in the stuff leading up to the war and what was up with 
the French bailing out. The rest should be good, too, I was just wondering.

Thanks!

-D

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while 
> Mom had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.
> 
> Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
> great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
It's very good.  I "watched" most of the first part from the kitchen while Mom 
had it on the TV, I don't have good memories from those days.

Well worth the time, Burns is a good historian and very neutral.  I felt a 
great deal of stress relief after watching it, believe it or not.  
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[MBZ] OT - The Vietnam War Series by Ken Burns

2020-12-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Has anyone watched this series by Ken Burns? I have seen bits and pieces of it 
but wasn’t sure the whole thing was worth watching, since it’s like 12 hours 
long.

-D
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