Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OT.

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> and your point is?
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> December 11, 2017 at 9:23 PM
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

and your point is?


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 11, 2017 at 9:23 PM
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Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles

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On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/
> 04/rep-rokita-proposes-bill-threatening-jail-time-1-
> million-fine-sanctuary-city-leaders/919546001/
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Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles, some details

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Hey!  keep my prettiness impairment out of the discussion!

clay 

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> On Dec 2, 2017, at 7:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Let’s play nice, please.  No personal attacks or slights.  Take it to Banned 
> if you want to get ugly.
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Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles, some details

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Let’s play nice, please.  No personal attacks or slights.  Take it to Banned if 
you want to get ugly.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles, some details

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Pot-kettle?

> -Original Message-
> From:  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> 
> This is getting tedious.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles, some details

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1  This is an amazing group.   Lotsa high level brains.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 2, 2017 at 4:51 PM
"Delete" key?

Greg brings some interesting background into the discussion due to his 
life experience. I find it quite informative. Thank you, Greg.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles, some details

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

"Delete" key?

Greg brings some interesting background into the discussion due to his life 
experience.  I find it quite informative.  Thank you, Greg.

-D


> On Dec 2, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is getting tedious.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 1. Apparently the prosecution conducted some forensic analysis on the
>> recovered bullet as well as the pier concrete, and found evidence that the
>> bullet that killed Kate had indeed ricocheted off the pier.
>> 
>> 2. The weapon was a Sig P239, which is available in several calibers and 3
>> flavors: DA/SA, DAO, and "DAK trigger system developed for law enforcement"
>> I believe the DAK Sig is the one my son owns, a twin for his USCG duty
>> weapon. It has a 6.5 lb. long trigger pull, hardly a hair-trigger which
>> could be readily discharged by accident.
>> 
>> 3. It is likely that as a federal LEO, the agent had authorization to
>> carry either his issued duty weapon or a personally owned firearm. I have
>> had 6 different personally owned handguns over the years with written
>> authorizations for on and off duty carry. I am sure none would have been
>> allowed with a lighter than original trigger pull. The last was a DAO H
>> In recent decades the authorized weapons went to DA only to decrease the
>> possibility of accidental discharge and subsequent liability. Thanks
>> lawyers!
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann
>> via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 12:18 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: G Mann
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no Ingles
>> 
>> Interesting posit. Just where did you find this tidbit of fact. Since the
>> Defense Lawyer made the claim "the gun had a hair trigger and he didn't
>> intend to shoot her", but I find no information about a ricochet shot as
>> being the killing wound.
>> Since the weapon was stolen from a police car, the likely owner was a
>> policeman, No LEO's carry weapons with "hair triggers" because if there is
>> a "shots fired" incident, the first claim by opposing lawyer representing
>> the deceased criminal would be the cop used a weapon "reworked" to
>> establish the cop is a "premeditated killer"... so NO police department
>> armorer will set a trigger at less than 3 lb pull..
>> 
>> I do however find first person evidence by the young woman's' family
>> members. who were with her at the murder, who stated the "alleged killer"
>> walked up to her and shot her, point blank.
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> His shot ricocheted off a pier so he acted recklessly but didn't
>>> intend to shoot her.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 no
 
 This scumbag (the criminal, not the judge) is a career criminal.
 
 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> December 1, 2017 at 10:24 AM
> Sort of like deranged American-born males going on a rampage,
> shooting multiple victims?
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Re: [MBZ] OT no Ingles, some details

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This is getting tedious.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1. Apparently the prosecution conducted some forensic analysis on the
> recovered bullet as well as the pier concrete, and found evidence that the
> bullet that killed Kate had indeed ricocheted off the pier.
>
> 2. The weapon was a Sig P239, which is available in several calibers and 3
> flavors: DA/SA, DAO, and "DAK trigger system developed for law enforcement"
> I believe the DAK Sig is the one my son owns, a twin for his USCG duty
> weapon. It has a 6.5 lb. long trigger pull, hardly a hair-trigger which
> could be readily discharged by accident.
>
> 3. It is likely that as a federal LEO, the agent had authorization to
> carry either his issued duty weapon or a personally owned firearm. I have
> had 6 different personally owned handguns over the years with written
> authorizations for on and off duty carry. I am sure none would have been
> allowed with a lighter than original trigger pull. The last was a DAO H
> In recent decades the authorized weapons went to DA only to decrease the
> possibility of accidental discharge and subsequent liability. Thanks
> lawyers!
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 12:18 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: G Mann
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no Ingles
>
> Interesting posit. Just where did you find this tidbit of fact. Since the
> Defense Lawyer made the claim "the gun had a hair trigger and he didn't
> intend to shoot her", but I find no information about a ricochet shot as
> being the killing wound.
> Since the weapon was stolen from a police car, the likely owner was a
> policeman, No LEO's carry weapons with "hair triggers" because if there is
> a "shots fired" incident, the first claim by opposing lawyer representing
> the deceased criminal would be the cop used a weapon "reworked" to
> establish the cop is a "premeditated killer"... so NO police department
> armorer will set a trigger at less than 3 lb pull..
>
> I do however find first person evidence by the young woman's' family
> members. who were with her at the murder, who stated the "alleged killer"
> walked up to her and shot her, point blank.
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > His shot ricocheted off a pier so he acted recklessly but didn't
> > intend to shoot her.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > no
> > >
> > > This scumbag (the criminal, not the judge) is a career criminal.
> > >
> > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > >> December 1, 2017 at 10:24 AM
> > >> Sort of like deranged American-born males going on a rampage,
> > >> shooting multiple victims?
> > >>
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