Re: [MBZ] One music composer - was: GUMP is DEAD
Ok Don wrote: Well, it's best to have all of them --- I even like some Shostikovich (sp?). Me, too. (Its Shostakovich). I like some of the lesser known composers, too. Especially, Bartok and Berlioz. Of modern composers, Carl Orff is by far my favorite - notably for his opera, Carmina Burana. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One music composer - was: GUMP is DEAD
And don't forget Prokofiev. The third piano concerto is - for want of a better word - shocking. No transitions between themes, great vehicle for a virtuoso, terrific orchestration. Knocks me for a loop every time I hear it, and the ending takes your breath away. The William Kapell recording from the early 1950s is the gold standard for this piece. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Ok Don wrote: Well, it's best to have all of them --- I even like some Shostikovich (sp?). Me, too. (Its Shostakovich). I like some of the lesser known composers, too. Especially, Bartok and Berlioz. Of modern composers, Carl Orff is by far my favorite - notably for his opera, Carmina Burana. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One music composer - was: GUMP is DEAD
In pure terms of innovation during a composer's time period, I would order (from greatest to least) them as such: Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, Mozart. I think greatness should be evaluated mostly on how much new technique they foster that makes an impact for many years to come. Mozart's mature works aren't as obviously mature as they follow the same harmonic structure and normal Classical era form rules. It's hard to put him last based on the amount of music he wrote, but it's all similar Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Mozart. Beethoven Wagner are similar that they expanded and created grand works of a genre. Beethoven combined the choir with the symphony more than once (Fantasia for Piano, Chorus, and Orchestra, Op. 80... 9th Symphony) and Wagner used leit-motif in his opera's that expanded to 4 5 hours. Both have definite differences between young works and mature works. Bach, IMHO, has not been surpassed in his counterpoint (many composers have tried since and NONE have equaled even Bach's modest works, let alone his greatest: The Art of the Fugue) and his chromatic harmony. Bach was alive during the transition from Meantone to Equal temperment and had the luxury of an organ in his early years that was tuned Equally, allowing him to explore chromatic harmony that many composers didn't touch for over 100 years. Study his 150 Cantatas (as I did this summer) and you will find many chromatic chord progressions that boggle the mind. He also wrote a fugue based on his own name, using the notes B-A-C-H (in modern terms B=B-flat H=B-natural) that are 4 neighboring half-steps. L, Master of Music in progress... Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/28/2011 11:01 AM, Donald Snook wrote: astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One music composer - was: GUMP is DEAD
Impressive! Who woulda thunk we had a music scholar in our midst among all the cartalk. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: In pure terms of innovation during a composer's time period, I would order (from greatest to least) them as such: Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, Mozart. I think greatness should be evaluated mostly on how much new technique they foster that makes an impact for many years to come. Mozart's mature works aren't as obviously mature as they follow the same harmonic structure and normal Classical era form rules. It's hard to put him last based on the amount of music he wrote, but it's all similar Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Mozart. Beethoven Wagner are similar that they expanded and created grand works of a genre. Beethoven combined the choir with the symphony more than once (Fantasia for Piano, Chorus, and Orchestra, Op. 80... 9th Symphony) and Wagner used leit-motif in his opera's that expanded to 4 5 hours. Both have definite differences between young works and mature works. Bach, IMHO, has not been surpassed in his counterpoint (many composers have tried since and NONE have equaled even Bach's modest works, let alone his greatest: The Art of the Fugue) and his chromatic harmony. Bach was alive during the transition from Meantone to Equal temperment and had the luxury of an organ in his early years that was tuned Equally, allowing him to explore chromatic harmony that many composers didn't touch for over 100 years. Study his 150 Cantatas (as I did this summer) and you will find many chromatic chord progressions that boggle the mind. He also wrote a fugue based on his own name, using the notes B-A-C-H (in modern terms B=B-flat H=B-natural) that are 4 neighboring half-steps. L, Master of Music in progress... Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/28/2011 11:01 AM, Donald Snook wrote: astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest? I call it a dead heat with Ludwig. The greatest what? The greatest composer? The greatest composer in his style/era? The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a style or period or era. J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles. Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them. It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure? When the question might be who is the greatest football player? It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player. Likewise, it is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods. So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style. And arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period. EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod. Some people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict formalities of the classical periods. He might be a transition between the two. For me, the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner. Donald H. Snook __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One music composer - was: GUMP is DEAD
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: OK. Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to exclusively None. Variety is good. If I had a choice of one I would soon be listening to none. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One music composer - was: GUMP is DEAD
I love Bach and Chopin but never tire of Beethoven. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: OK. Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to exclusively None. Variety is good. If I had a choice of one I would soon be listening to none. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] One music composer - was: GUMP is DEAD
Well, it's best to have all of them --- I even like some Shostikovich (sp?). On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:21 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I love Bach and Chopin but never tire of Beethoven. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: OK. Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to exclusively None. Variety is good. If I had a choice of one I would soon be listening to none. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
