Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
Does that school of thought like to employ designs that encourage "self-correcting mistakes"? For example, child rolls up power window, pinches fingers, "Waah!!!". Child learns (self-corrects) not to pinch fingers in power windows, and that self-correcting remains in force until death bed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 13, 2016 11:48:41 AM EDT, Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote: >I like the Borg School of Engineering solution better > >--JC > > >On 7/13/16 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> As I understand it, yes. It’s a safety thing. >> >> For example, if someone’s hand or fingers were in the window opening, >if you attempt to raise the window it will reverse automatically when >it encounters resistance. >> >> Dan >> > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
Named after Bjorn Borg, tennis star. He had a thing about roll up car windows. On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:48:41 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I like the Borg School of Engineering solution better > > Borg School of Engineering? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:48:41 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote: > I like the Borg School of Engineering solution better Borg School of Engineering? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
I like the Borg School of Engineering solution better --JC On 7/13/16 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: As I understand it, yes. It’s a safety thing. For example, if someone’s hand or fingers were in the window opening, if you attempt to raise the window it will reverse automatically when it encounters resistance. Dan On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: So it is the "auto up/down and reversing functions" that make this necessary. But to repeat Rich's question, why do we need all this? What do the "auto up/down and reversing functions" do and why would anyone want them? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --BB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
As I understand it, yes. It’s a safety thing. For example, if someone’s hand or fingers were in the window opening, if you attempt to raise the window it will reverse automatically when it encounters resistance. Dan > On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > So it is the "auto up/down and reversing functions" that make this > necessary. > > But to repeat Rich's question, why do we need all this? > > What do the "auto up/down and reversing functions" do and why would > anyone want them? > > > Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
If you can't handle the idea of getting into a car that has the windows closed when its hot out you'd need the windows to automatically roll down. I don't understand the kind of people that can't simply roll down the windows for themselves... -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Craig Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:30:36 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > It’s a function of the “convenience module” in later models, from the > W140 on. > > The convenience module controls window operation and some other minor > functions, of which I can’t recall. Since it doesn’t have non-volatile > memory if power is lost to the module it needs the windows to be > “synced” so that it can properly control them. The module needs to > know where the windows are position-wise as well as what direction > they’re moving. This is to manage the auto up/down and reversing > functions. So it is the "auto up/down and reversing functions" that make this necessary. But to repeat Rich's question, why do we need all this? What do the "auto up/down and reversing functions" do and why would anyone want them? Craig > > On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > I have been reading this stuff, and the very concept of "windows out > > of sync" is both bizarre and vaguely disturbing. At what point in > > the advance of western civilization did the need for windows to be > > "in sync" become a compelling technological goal? What does it get > > us? What problem does it solve? What good does it do for all the > > starving kids in China? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:30:36 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > It’s a function of the “convenience module” in later models, from the > W140 on. > > The convenience module controls window operation and some other minor > functions, of which I can’t recall. Since it doesn’t have non-volatile > memory if power is lost to the module it needs the windows to be > “synced” so that it can properly control them. The module needs to > know where the windows are position-wise as well as what direction > they’re moving. This is to manage the auto up/down and reversing > functions. So it is the "auto up/down and reversing functions" that make this necessary. But to repeat Rich's question, why do we need all this? What do the "auto up/down and reversing functions" do and why would anyone want them? Craig > > On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > I have been reading this stuff, and the very concept of "windows out > > of sync" is both bizarre and vaguely disturbing. At what point in > > the advance of western civilization did the need for windows to be > > "in sync" become a compelling technological goal? What does it get > > us? What problem does it solve? What good does it do for all the > > starving kids in China? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
At near the same point as the "need" to cut YUUUGE holes in perfectly good steel roofs or "wear" 24's, 26''s or 28's with minimal rubber on 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" To: Cc: "Joel Cairo" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open I have been reading this stuff, and the very concept of "windows out of sync" is both bizarre and vaguely disturbing. At what point in the advance of western civilization did the need for windows to be "in sync" become a compelling technological goal? What does it get us? What problem does it solve? What good does it do for all the starving kids in China? --JC On 7/13/16 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Nothing odd about this. As Kaleb mentioned, your window(s) is/are out of sync. You need to re-sync them and all should be well. Have you disconnected the battery? That will cause the windows to get out of sync. Dan On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: I was able to get it to go up by poking and releasing the switch in the up position about 30 times. If I tried holding it down, it wouldn't move. Odd. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --BB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
It’s a function of the “convenience module” in later models, from the W140 on. The convenience module controls window operation and some other minor functions, of which I can’t recall. Since it doesn’t have non-volatile memory if power is lost to the module it needs the windows to be “synced” so that it can properly control them. The module needs to know where the windows are position-wise as well as what direction they’re moving. This is to manage the auto up/down and reversing functions. The process is typically to run the window all the way up and hold the button in for ten seconds. Repeat for the down position, too. Once this is done for each window it should work normally. Until the window is synced it will only move a short distance with each press of the button. That’s what Bob is experiencing right now. Dan > On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have been reading this stuff, and the very concept of "windows out of sync" > is both bizarre and vaguely disturbing. At what point in the advance of > western civilization did the need for windows to be "in sync" become a > compelling technological goal? What does it get us? What problem does it > solve? What good does it do for all the starving kids in China? > > --JC > > > On 7/13/16 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> Nothing odd about this. >> >> As Kaleb mentioned, your window(s) is/are out of sync. You need to re-sync >> them and all should be well. >> >> Have you disconnected the battery? That will cause the windows to get out >> of sync. >> >> Dan >> >> >>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I was able to get it to go up by poking and releasing the switch in the up >>> position about 30 times. If I tried holding it down, it wouldn't move. Odd. >>> >>> Bob R >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > -- > --BB > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
I have been reading this stuff, and the very concept of "windows out of sync" is both bizarre and vaguely disturbing. At what point in the advance of western civilization did the need for windows to be "in sync" become a compelling technological goal? What does it get us? What problem does it solve? What good does it do for all the starving kids in China? --JC On 7/13/16 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Nothing odd about this. As Kaleb mentioned, your window(s) is/are out of sync. You need to re-sync them and all should be well. Have you disconnected the battery? That will cause the windows to get out of sync. Dan On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: I was able to get it to go up by poking and releasing the switch in the up position about 30 times. If I tried holding it down, it wouldn't move. Odd. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --BB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
Nothing odd about this. As Kaleb mentioned, your window(s) is/are out of sync. You need to re-sync them and all should be well. Have you disconnected the battery? That will cause the windows to get out of sync. Dan > On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was able to get it to go up by poking and releasing the switch in the up > position about 30 times. If I tried holding it down, it wouldn't move. Odd. > > Bob R > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
As previously mentioned that is because it is out of sync Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was able to get it to go up by poking and releasing the switch in the up > position about 30 times. If I tried holding it down, it wouldn't move. Odd. > > Bob R >> On Jul 11, 2016 6:29 PM, "Bob Rentfro" wrote: >> >> I'll do the resetting when I get home. And I haven't gotten a new key yet. >> Maybe next week. It hadn't done that randomness lately. >> >> Bob R >> On Jul 11, 2016 5:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> If the regulator was bad you would hear it running and not doing >>> anything. Sounds like the switch has gotten out of sync. I believe you >>> roll it down all the way and hold the button for a few seconds, then roll >>> it up all the say and hold the switch for a few seconds again to sync it >>> back up. So did the new key fix the starting issue? >>> On 7/11/2016 7:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: When I unlock my w210 with the smart key, I always hold it long enough to lower the windows to let some of the hell-fire heat out before getting in. Having just done that , I took off and the air started blowing ice cold. I went to raise the windows from the switches on the console and the passenger's rear window will not go up. When cycling the switch on the console, it makes no noise pressing up, klunks a bit when you press down. The door switch acts the same. So, what do I go after? And, how do I get the window up in the meantime so I don't have to have the 112° pouring in tomorrow? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:08:14 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > I was able to get it to go up by poking and releasing the switch in the > up position about 30 times. If I tried holding it down, it wouldn't > move. Odd. Indeed. And from others' comments, I suspect it's not a case like the W123 flasher switch where crud and corrosion are overcome by actuating it about a billion times. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
I was able to get it to go up by poking and releasing the switch in the up position about 30 times. If I tried holding it down, it wouldn't move. Odd. Bob R On Jul 11, 2016 6:29 PM, "Bob Rentfro" wrote: > I'll do the resetting when I get home. And I haven't gotten a new key yet. > Maybe next week. It hadn't done that randomness lately. > > Bob R > On Jul 11, 2016 5:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> If the regulator was bad you would hear it running and not doing >> anything. Sounds like the switch has gotten out of sync. I believe you >> roll it down all the way and hold the button for a few seconds, then roll >> it up all the say and hold the switch for a few seconds again to sync it >> back up. So did the new key fix the starting issue? >> >> On 7/11/2016 7:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> When I unlock my w210 with the smart key, I always hold it long enough to >>> lower the windows to let some of the hell-fire heat out before getting >>> in. >>> Having just done that , I took off and the air started blowing ice cold. >>> I >>> went to raise the windows from the switches on the console and the >>> passenger's rear window will not go up. When cycling the switch on the >>> console, it makes no noise pressing up, klunks a bit when you press down. >>> The door switch acts the same. >>> So, what do I go after? And, how do I get the window up in the meantime >>> so >>> I don't have to have the 112° pouring in tomorrow? >>> >>> Bob R >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
I'll do the resetting when I get home. And I haven't gotten a new key yet. Maybe next week. It hadn't done that randomness lately. Bob R On Jul 11, 2016 5:29 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If the regulator was bad you would hear it running and not doing anything. > Sounds like the switch has gotten out of sync. I believe you roll it down > all the way and hold the button for a few seconds, then roll it up all the > say and hold the switch for a few seconds again to sync it back up. So did > the new key fix the starting issue? > > On 7/11/2016 7:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > >> When I unlock my w210 with the smart key, I always hold it long enough to >> lower the windows to let some of the hell-fire heat out before getting in. >> Having just done that , I took off and the air started blowing ice cold. I >> went to raise the windows from the switches on the console and the >> passenger's rear window will not go up. When cycling the switch on the >> console, it makes no noise pressing up, klunks a bit when you press down. >> The door switch acts the same. >> So, what do I go after? And, how do I get the window up in the meantime so >> I don't have to have the 112° pouring in tomorrow? >> >> Bob R >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w210/172039-power-windows-go-down-but-not-up.html "Always look for the simple solution first. A bad switch group is very very unlikely. This is merely a resyncing of the windows and sunroof. Hold each switch LIGHTLY in turn...all the way up...hold for 5 seconds...then all the way down again...hold for 5 secondsthat will do it." Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
If the regulator was bad you would hear it running and not doing anything. Sounds like the switch has gotten out of sync. I believe you roll it down all the way and hold the button for a few seconds, then roll it up all the say and hold the switch for a few seconds again to sync it back up. So did the new key fix the starting issue? On 7/11/2016 7:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: When I unlock my w210 with the smart key, I always hold it long enough to lower the windows to let some of the hell-fire heat out before getting in. Having just done that , I took off and the air started blowing ice cold. I went to raise the windows from the switches on the console and the passenger's rear window will not go up. When cycling the switch on the console, it makes no noise pressing up, klunks a bit when you press down. The door switch acts the same. So, what do I go after? And, how do I get the window up in the meantime so I don't have to have the 112° pouring in tomorrow? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
I'd pull off the door panel and short the wires to the motor and see if you can get any motion. If so then the switches are probably dirty or hot or something. Did you CHANGE YOUR FUSES? --JC On 7/11/16 8:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: When I unlock my w210 with the smart key, I always hold it long enough to lower the windows to let some of the hell-fire heat out before getting in. Having just done that , I took off and the air started blowing ice cold. I went to raise the windows from the switches on the console and the passenger's rear window will not go up. When cycling the switch on the console, it makes no noise pressing up, klunks a bit when you press down. The door switch acts the same. So, what do I go after? And, how do I get the window up in the meantime so I don't have to have the 112° pouring in tomorrow? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --BB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rear Window Failed Down/Open
When I unlock my w210 with the smart key, I always hold it long enough to lower the windows to let some of the hell-fire heat out before getting in. Having just done that , I took off and the air started blowing ice cold. I went to raise the windows from the switches on the console and the passenger's rear window will not go up. When cycling the switch on the console, it makes no noise pressing up, klunks a bit when you press down. The door switch acts the same. So, what do I go after? And, how do I get the window up in the meantime so I don't have to have the 112° pouring in tomorrow? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com