Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
Addendum to previous post: Valid points Mao. Well said. Upon further reflection, it* could* be the rampant obesity in USA is a component of the cumulative reaction to media induced stress Principle being the individuals have no direct contact with violent acts except through endless reporting of them, thus induced stress reaction is to eat or drink for comfort far in excess of true dietary needs. Over eating is a known stress reaction, and I respectfully submit, the true stress level of our society as a whole is not recognized. Although, I believe the signs are there in neon, just not being seen. Again, wide area thinking, nothing personal implied or suggested. Grant.. BS.. we all know what that is. MS.. More of the same. PhD.. Piled higher and deeper. Dr. Hahhhahaa.. well thank you Mao.. next life perhaps.. there have been complaints about my bedside manner.. GET UP you're Dieing !! apparently isn't acceptable. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dr.Grant wrote: The Flight response has no real social equivalent [well, perhaps the local bar] so that is simply internalized into the accumulated culture of stress which we pass on to our young. Nice - thanks. Besides the local bar you might add the large screen sports addiction along with the adult beverage, or your hfcs laden coke product. HFCS, btw, is processed in the body the same as beer, but without the buzz - both are poison, i.e. ethanol. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
The constant barrage of The sky is falling and oh, how terrible is a large part of the reason we don't watch TV news at all anymore. We read what looks interesting on Internet news sites and occasionally listen to NPR. Otherwise, we're happily oblivious to the world crashing in around us. We select movies and fun TV shows from Hulu, etc. to watch for entertainment, but prefer to watch the boxed sets given us y the kids, so we don't have to wait a week to see what happens next (binge watching). Our stress has been much less the last ten or fifteen years or so. I would also postulate that the rabid gun buying and rhetoric is a stress reaction as well. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:06 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Addendum to previous post: Valid points Mao. Well said. Upon further reflection, it* could* be the rampant obesity in USA is a component of the cumulative reaction to media induced stress Principle being the individuals have no direct contact with violent acts except through endless reporting of them, thus induced stress reaction is to eat or drink for comfort far in excess of true dietary needs. Over eating is a known stress reaction, and I respectfully submit, the true stress level of our society as a whole is not recognized. Although, I believe the signs are there in neon, just not being seen. Again, wide area thinking, nothing personal implied or suggested. Grant.. BS.. we all know what that is. MS.. More of the same. PhD.. Piled higher and deeper. Dr. Hahhhahaa.. well thank you Mao.. next life perhaps.. there have been complaints about my bedside manner.. GET UP you're Dieing !! apparently isn't acceptable. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
Agreed on all points. I'm finding, and apparently the media polls are finding, more people are finding other, less stressful things to do than watch endless bad news. The media is so heavily invested in the If it bleeds, it leads mentality they do not know what else to report. They themselves are without a viable replacement. To bad. Wonder what market share would be for a Good News Only Station? re. stress reaction/gun buying comment. Certainly. Just did a poll at the local, standing room only, gun show the past weekend. The expressed unresolved stress was well represented. The prepare for anything cause we don't know what may happen response was certainly the current of the day/week/month. Good point to bring to light. Thanks Grant... Who hopes to live long enough to find a find the repair manual for humanity. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:41 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: The constant barrage of The sky is falling and oh, how terrible is a large part of the reason we don't watch TV news at all anymore. We read what looks interesting on Internet news sites and occasionally listen to NPR. Otherwise, we're happily oblivious to the world crashing in around us. We select movies and fun TV shows from Hulu, etc. to watch for entertainment, but prefer to watch the boxed sets given us y the kids, so we don't have to wait a week to see what happens next (binge watching). Our stress has been much less the last ten or fifteen years or so. I would also postulate that the rabid gun buying and rhetoric is a stress reaction as well. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:06 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Addendum to previous post: Valid points Mao. Well said. Upon further reflection, it* could* be the rampant obesity in USA is a component of the cumulative reaction to media induced stress Principle being the individuals have no direct contact with violent acts except through endless reporting of them, thus induced stress reaction is to eat or drink for comfort far in excess of true dietary needs. Over eating is a known stress reaction, and I respectfully submit, the true stress level of our society as a whole is not recognized. Although, I believe the signs are there in neon, just not being seen. Again, wide area thinking, nothing personal implied or suggested. Grant.. BS.. we all know what that is. MS.. More of the same. PhD.. Piled higher and deeper. Dr. Hahhhahaa.. well thank you Mao.. next life perhaps.. there have been complaints about my bedside manner.. GET UP you're Dieing !! apparently isn't acceptable. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
See the New Testament. All we need is love... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Grant... Who hopes to live long enough to find a find the repair manual for humanity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
Max wrote: See the New Testament. All we need is love... ...and here I thought that was The Beatles... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
OK Don wrote: The constant barrage of The sky is falling and oh, how terrible is a large part of... Most of the stuff in any media form is all hand wringing no solution. That is probably the biggest stress creator. Give us a true choice and then we have another level to create choices. This is why Nov6 was a non event - zero choice, why attend. The same with guns - zero choice, why consider either side - neither side has plausible logic or probable effectiveness - it is all hand wringing. Now, stuff you can effect change? Obesity is an issue that can be understood and managed, really. See this 90 minute youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM And consider this for... who knows what? Very odd therapy, but for Parkinsons? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLAD4xpNGtQ Choose not to use HFCS, don't depend on rules from govt to limit. Choose what fear you live under, don't depend on rules from gov't to fix guns. We *can* do things, we are DIY mercedes list readers at okiebenz. Now, for Curt and the Grant proposal - write proposal to study use of bacteriotherapy against obesity and other hand-wringing conundrums of medicine. Guy is proving it against Parkinsons, I suspect your Grant can prove useful against lotsa stuff insco/bigpharma/major-med cannot handle. Think outside the box like Einstein did with energy and lightspeed. That is another hand-wringing conundrum - zero Einstein-type thought about stuff is acceptable, except at okiebenz forums. Also see: http://humanfoodproject.com/can-parasites-prevent-autoimmune-diabetes/?utm_source=Human+Food+Projectutm_campaign=29b4bf892f-Human_Food_Project6_30_2012utm_medium=email Standard banned closure omitted mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
Randy Bennell wrote: My wife was talking with a young woman [whose son] is 5 or 6 (I cannot recall which) [and] is having nightmares because, every day at school, they are having drills on what to do if someone comes to the school with a gun. G Mann wrote: Without going to any discussion about guns, period, let us look at the true source of this young mans fear, how it was installed, who taught it to him, where it came from. We have in our society today a culture that teaches children to be fearful. Now? Please draw your own conclusions. Andrew Strasfogel wrote: What culture? I taught my son to be careful, but fearful? No. Are you talking about the culture in your home town or is this yet another straw man? Err, did you perchance just suffer from top-post-itis? And didn't notice or read the post Grant was replying to? When put in order, it looks to me like Grant is commenting on the schools. Or maybe I'm mis-reading it too. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
For the sake of clarity. My culture of fear observation was only to include the wide area of our culture today, both in USA and Europe, where I have lived and observed, not anyone's personal parenting style. It is my observation that we have embraced as a strong component of present civilization a two component pattern of fear. I will try to express my observations in simple terms with the recognition it is a complex pattern with many personal variables. 1. First Element: An act by party or parties which is outside both the law and or safety. 2. Second Element: Response. First by affected party, Second by First Responders, Third by News Media. The news media responds by making the event/events their darling child 24/7 until it can not be milked any further or is replaced with a new tragedy. [Part of the culture is to be glued to every detail, true of not, that is sent over the airwaves, for days or months, Example, the words O.J. Simpson, feel it?] 3. Third Element: The well established principle of human response is Fight or Flight when confronted with conflict. The civilized culture today does not allow Fight response, however, in each person watching the endless replays of the chosen tragedy, inner stress rises, each time, because humans are hard wired for survival. 4. Third Element, Second component: With each viewing of the tragedy, persons viewing also experience the Flight response. [Intensity of both 3 4 are very individual]. However, the need to flee from such acts is real, valid and intense, whether recognized or internalized as is the need to Fight. 5. Fourth Element: The cumulative effect, on culture, over the several decades this pattern has been repeated [for now, lets pick video of Vietnam war day by day going forward] has been that this set of individual responses have become part of our overall culture. Those responses make up a very unsatisfied response to the hard wired Fight or Flight hard wire result of eons of selective breeding and survival. [Women pick brave men to father children and survive, fact not fiction, borne out by many sources]. 6. Fifth Element: The long term and cultural effect of this constant daily exposure to repeated display and focus on every violent act, through media display, has produced an effect very much like PTSD. The strong sense held by many is they need to Fight, but are not capable of it and can't identify just what or who to fight. Concurrent with that is the strong sense they need to Flight, but can not identify clearly were the threat is, or where they would be safe. 7. Sixth Element: Both responses are hard wired into humans and with good reason. They are both healthy responses to a threat. However, in our current culture, neither are possible or acceptable. Yet, the assault media continues, every hour of every day to present these high threat levels, and civilized humans respond in the only ways left for them to respond, by making themselves numb and or curling into the fetal position [some literally, some figuratively] . The observations I've made indicate as a culture, we now elect to neither Fight or Flight, but suffer daily because internally we need to in order to survive. The cultural response is to delegate the Fight to First Responders and Prosecutors, Lawyers, Mental Health Professionals, ad nausium, which only protracts the inner need to Fight with no resolution. The Flight response has no real social equivalent [well, perhaps the local bar] so that is simply internalized into the accumulated culture of stress which we pass on to our young. By both example and by direct action we teach them to be fearful because we are fearful as part of our culture of unresolved Fight or Flight. Well, I see our 50 minutes are up. Schedule you next appointment with the receptionist. Will you be paying with card or check today? BTW, how is that nice 300SD of yours running? Grant... On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: My wife was talking with a young woman [whose son] is 5 or 6 (I cannot recall which) [and] is having nightmares because, every day at school, they are having drills on what to do if someone comes to the school with a gun. G Mann wrote: Without going to any discussion about guns, period, let us look at the true source of this young mans fear, how it was installed, who taught it to him, where it came from. We have in our society today a culture that teaches children to be fearful. Now? Please draw your own conclusions. Andrew Strasfogel wrote: What culture? I taught my son to be careful, but fearful? No. Are you talking about the culture in your home town or is this yet another straw man? Err, did you perchance just suffer from top-post-itis? And didn't notice or read the post Grant was replying to? When put in order, it looks to me like Grant is commenting on the schools. Or maybe I'm mis-reading it too.
Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment
Dr.Grant wrote: The Flight response has no real social equivalent [well, perhaps the local bar] so that is simply internalized into the accumulated culture of stress which we pass on to our young. Nice - thanks. Besides the local bar you might add the large screen sports addiction along with the adult beverage, or your hfcs laden coke product. HFCS, btw, is processed in the body the same as beer, but without the buzz - both are poison, i.e. ethanol. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
