[MBZ] Was Amazing July specials, Now Windows v. Mac

2006-06-23 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 22, 2006, at 2:48 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


In my case, it's because I don't feel like buying all new hardware,
software, and peripherals, while paying more money for lower
performance.


	Software and tons of it comes with the hardware. Peripherals will be  
plug and play and performance should not judged using the mini.



For example, my PC's 128 megabyte GeForce4 video card, by
no means a state-of-the-art design, runs rings around the 64 megabyte,
non-upgradable video subsystem in my SO's Mac Mini.


	Again, the mini. How about comparing the fully upgradeable G-5 dual  
processor PowerMac or the new intel dual core G-5 PowerMac or MacBook  
Pro, even the new iMac. Check the specs on these models including  
standard and upgrade video cards, both with 256MB vRam.


I like MacOS X, but not all the other stuff that goes with it,  
frankly.


	And all the other stuff is? Peace of mind, the most stable OS known  
to man, UNIX, zero% chance of your machine being infected by virus, a  
beautiful graphic front-end? Yeah, I hate all that stuff too.


And MacOS X puts you on the same treadmill Windows does, making you  
buy
upgrades on a regular basis as then end-of-life older versions and  
stop

providing bug fixes.


	No one is forced to buy anything from anyone. I have machines from  
the late 1990s to date running from OS X 10.1.5 to the latest OS X  
Tiger 10.4.6. Mac OS X is open source and developers/users frequently  
provide bug fixes in the rare instance that the need should arise.  
Check some of Apple's discussion forums for good and bad news  
concerning Macs.
	In reality, bugs are few and far between and even my oldest computer  
running the oldest version of OS X just sits there turned on 24/7  
(except during electrical storms) and works FOR me, no crashes, ever.
	 I'm sold, whatever works for you, works for you. Enjoy it between  
crashes and virii.




Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



[MBZ] Was Amazing July specials, Now Windows v. Mac

2006-06-23 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 22, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:


Hear, hear.

Another note is that, based on what I read over about a year on the  
iMac
mailing list, the transition to OS X on older iMacs like mine is  
often *not*

a straightforward issue.


	The only problem with moving up to OS X is on older iMacs (333mhz  
tray loading and older) is that firmware must first be updated, prior  
to installation of Panther. The firmware update is free on Apple's  
website.




Lots of cries for help from people who followed all the steps


	Except for step#1, updating the firmware!!! If the software wasn't  
stolen, there are very clear warnings provided to help users avoid  
that scenario. But who reads instructions and warnings?



, but either
did something out of turn or it just plain did not work. They  
always get it
done in the end, but if I wanted that sort of hassle and grief I'd  
be on a

WinTel platform already.


	Paying attention to and knowing what one is doing is helpful in  
matters such as this. A little easy research goes a long way.


Mac(Sween)




Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Was Amazing July specials, Now Windows v. Mac

2006-06-23 Thread David Brodbeck
John Berryman wrote:
   Again, the mini. How about comparing the fully upgradeable G-5 dual  
 processor PowerMac or the new intel dual core G-5 PowerMac or MacBook  
 Pro, even the new iMac. Check the specs on these models including  
 standard and upgrade video cards, both with 256MB vRam.
   

The G5s are indeed very nice machines.  But the thing that really stands
out for me on the website is starting at $1999.  PCs with superior
specs cost half that.  I just can't get past the huge price premium. 
Otherwise I'd be more tempted.




Re: [MBZ] Was Amazing July specials, Now Windows v. Mac

2006-06-23 Thread George Gregory
On 6/23/06 12:43 PM, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 John Berryman wrote:
 Again, the mini. How about comparing the fully upgradeable G-5 dual
 processor PowerMac or the new intel dual core G-5 PowerMac or MacBook
 Pro, even the new iMac. Check the specs on these models including
 standard and upgrade video cards, both with 256MB vRam.
   
 
 The G5s are indeed very nice machines.  But the thing that really stands
 out for me on the website is starting at $1999.  PCs with superior
 specs cost half that.  I just can't get past the huge price premium.
 Otherwise I'd be more tempted.

Yabbut you must remember that, unlike PCs, they last a long, long time.

Although ts not my primary computer now, I'm still doing page layout
graphics on my 1994 PowerMac 6100.
-- 
+-- 
GG
1997 SL500 (104k)
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
+--





Re: [MBZ] Was Amazing July specials, Now Windows v. Mac

2006-06-23 Thread dieselbenz24
 John Berryman wrote: 
 Again, the mini. How about comparing the fully upgradeable G-5 dual 
 processor PowerMac or the new intel dual core G-5 PowerMac or MacBook 
 Pro, even the new iMac. Check the specs on these models including 
 standard and upgrade video cards, both with 256MB vRam.
 
 
I just got a mac mini.  The *new* ones have Intel chips in them and I found a 
store that was practically giving away the *old* version at like a 40% 
discount.  Look for some of those, they sell as 1.24 and 1.42.  And I will tell 
you it is swet. I got a 1.42 for $380.
 
But I can't really weigh in on the war because I have PC's also as I make my 
living as a computer programmer.
 
Dan Elliott
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Re: [MBZ] Was Amazing July specials, Now Windows v. Mac

2006-06-23 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 23, 2006, at 1:43 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:

The G5s are indeed very nice machines.  But the thing that really  
stands

out for me on the website is starting at $1999.  PCs with superior
specs cost half that.  I just can't get past the huge price premium.
Otherwise I'd be more tempted.


	In the long run, it would be worth it. An infinitely upgradeable  
machine that will still be doing its job many years from now. There  
are less costly ones too. Even older iMacs can keep up pretty well  
and they're cheap.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am