Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

costs too much to rip em out when corn'n'beans are not worth cost of 
production.


As is, I think they get taxed as forest rather than field.  MUCH lower 
taxes



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 2:14 PM

Abandoned vineyards will retool to more lucrative crop. THC
tin.man


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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> ... Now there are a lot of
> abandoned vineyards because they found out a few years into it that
> vineyards = horticulture.

Abandoned vineyards will retool to more lucrative crop.  THC
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Never ate em.  Green grease.

Re: coffee,  they didn't say what elevation they are trying to grow the 
beans at.  Coffee needs elevation to be good.  With media in pocket, 
they will redefine "good" to be whatever the CAcoffee turns out to be,  
They will need plenty illegal aliens.  Coffee is a lot of hand labor.   
20 years ago the state sec'y of ag was in the pocket of some deep pocket 
winos, so went around trying to get everyone to plant vineyards.  Now 
there are a lot of abandoned vineyards because they found out a few 
years into it that vineyards = horticulture.  They didn't bother to find 
out ahead of time that the definition of horticulture is "labor 
intensive agriculture."


I suspect in 10-15 years there will be a lot of abandoned coffee 
plantations in CA.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 10:03 AM
I have pretty much quit eating avocados because I have learned that 
the big demand for them has incentivized Mexican farmers to cut down 
the monarch forest to plant avo trees.  Boo.


--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have pretty much quit eating avocados because I have learned that the 
big demand for them has incentivized Mexican farmers to cut down the 
monarch forest to plant avo trees.  Boo.


--FT


On 5/30/17 6:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

But wait, so-called "climate change" is supposed to be BAD!  Who are these
people that would dare to actually try to make something positive out of it?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I just had to share this mind-boggling little news clip.
MEET THE CALIF. COFFEE CRAZE

Southern California avocado groves are finding economic revitalization in
coffee.

Farmers are confronting a problem of aging avocado trees in the region that
are producing less fruit. At the same time, many also are noting the ways
climate change is threatening to damage coffee crops in traditional export
areas. Southern California-grown coffee, many believe, is an answer to both
problems.



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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Winners and losers.

On May 30, 2017 6:52 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> But wait, so-called "climate change" is supposed to be BAD!  Who are these
> people that would dare to actually try to make something positive out of
> it?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I just had to share this mind-boggling little news clip.
> > MEET THE CALIF. COFFEE CRAZE
> >
> > Southern California avocado groves are finding economic revitalization in
> > coffee.
> >
> > Farmers are confronting a problem of aging avocado trees in the region
> that
> > are producing less fruit. At the same time, many also are noting the ways
> > climate change is threatening to damage coffee crops in traditional
> export
> > areas. Southern California-grown coffee, many believe, is an answer to
> both
> > problems.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

But wait, so-called "climate change" is supposed to be BAD!  Who are these
people that would dare to actually try to make something positive out of it?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just had to share this mind-boggling little news clip.
> MEET THE CALIF. COFFEE CRAZE
>
> Southern California avocado groves are finding economic revitalization in
> coffee.
>
> Farmers are confronting a problem of aging avocado trees in the region that
> are producing less fruit. At the same time, many also are noting the ways
> climate change is threatening to damage coffee crops in traditional export
> areas. Southern California-grown coffee, many believe, is an answer to both
> problems.
>
>
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[MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I just had to share this mind-boggling little news clip.
MEET THE CALIF. COFFEE CRAZE

Southern California avocado groves are finding economic revitalization in
coffee.

Farmers are confronting a problem of aging avocado trees in the region that
are producing less fruit. At the same time, many also are noting the ways
climate change is threatening to damage coffee crops in traditional export
areas. Southern California-grown coffee, many believe, is an answer to both
problems.

"You have colder nights and warmer days pretty consistently, and the
temperature rarely gets close to freezing," Willem Boot, a consultant to
the coffee industry, said of the California southern coast climate, which
he said is ideal for growing the beans.

Even Grammy Award-winning singer and songwriter Jason Mraz is getting in on
the California coffee craze. Mraz, who planted about 2,500 coffee bushes on
a 1,700-acre farm currently serving as an avocado grove in San Diego, said
he expects to produce his first significant coffee crop in about two years.

"I started my career in a coffeehouse, and I love the coffee culture," he
said. "I knew right away that California coffee could be special"
(Stephanie Strom, *New York Times*
,
May 26)
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