Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Brian Toscano
You could even have a broken spring or two and not necessarily notice until
you pulled it apart.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Also bushing at the bottom of the carrier could cause your problem.
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> Max Dillon
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>
> Max Dillon  wrote:
>
> >Control arm has an inner bushing which is a real pain to change.
> >
> >When all is right with the suspension, rear wheels will wear first, in
> >the inner edge.  You must rotate them.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Max Dillon
Also bushing at the bottom of the carrier could cause your problem.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Max Dillon  wrote:

>Control arm has an inner bushing which is a real pain to change.
>
>When all is right with the suspension, rear wheels will wear first, in
>the inner edge.  You must rotate them.


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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Dieselhead
I second this.  If all the rear links ere replaced except the LCA, 
and its bearing in the wheel carrier, then you are left with 
LCA/bearing in the wheel carrier/inner bushing, spring rubber mounts, 
and a slight chance the springs are sprung.



Inner bushing and outer bearing on the spring link.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Frederick

Inner bushing and outer bearing on the spring link.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Max Dillon
Control arm has an inner bushing which is a real pain to change.

When all is right with the suspension, rear wheels will wear first, in the 
inner edge.  You must rotate them.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Curt Raymond  wrote:

>I haven't rotated the tires but the front tires haven't hardly worn,
>usually its the fronts that wear out on me...
>Sub frame bushings have been replaced. 
>
>What does "control arm repaired" mean? Bushing at the bottom of the
>wheel carrier is a good bet, I can see that allowing the bottom to
>shift out causing the wear.
>
>-Curt
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>Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:22:15 -0600
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>Tire pressure correct?  Rotating tires on 5k mile schedule?  Bottom
>link aka control arm also repaired?  Bushing replaced at bottom of
>wheel carrier (where control arm attaches)?
>
>If none of those, then either alignment or sub-frame bushings.


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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Curt Raymond
When I first got it the car was basically undrivable. My Indy believes in "fix 
it when it breaks".
I on the other hand believe that a properly set up 201 is a great handling car 
so between us we changed:
rear shocks
rear links
subframe mounts

Which I considered all the obvious likely culprits. The car drives pretty well 
but does have a little something funny going on so I kind of knew this was 
coming...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:29:49 -0600
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Subframe mounts.  These are bigtime culprits on 124 and 126, so I 
presume that applies to 201 also.mn



>I noticed today that my '84 190D is excessively wearing the inside 
>edge of the rear tires.
>I've had all the rear links done and the shocks are new too, all parts from Q.
>I presume theres still something worn in the rear, an alignment was 
>done after the links were replaced. Looking at the car it doesn't 
>seem like the tires tip in but I suppose they must be.
>
>Any common suspects?
>
>-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Peter Frederick
Did you replace the rubber pads for the springs?  If they are worn out  
(thin or missing) it will cause the rear end to squat, hence wear the  
insides of the tires.


Could also be incorrect alignment, of course (too much toe in, I think).

Weak springs will do the same thing, but it's normal for the tires to  
wear a bit more on the inside -- which is why you should rotate them.   
By a bit more I mean barely good tread on the outside and the wear  
indicator distinctly showing on the inside, not much more than that.   
If they are heavily worn on the inside, you need to check the alignment.


Almost forgot -- what condition are the rear subframe mounts in?  If  
they are shot, the subframe will cock forward, and this will screw up  
the alignment when driving, but only when accelerating or running up  
hills.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Dieselhead
Subframe mounts.  These are bigtime culprits on 124 and 126, so I 
presume that applies to 201 also.mn




I noticed today that my '84 190D is excessively wearing the inside 
edge of the rear tires.

I've had all the rear links done and the shocks are new too, all parts from Q.
I presume theres still something worn in the rear, an alignment was 
done after the links were replaced. Looking at the car it doesn't 
seem like the tires tip in but I suppose they must be.


Any common suspects?

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Curt Raymond
I haven't rotated the tires but the front tires haven't hardly worn, usually 
its the fronts that wear out on me...
Sub frame bushings have been replaced. 

What does "control arm repaired" mean? Bushing at the bottom of the wheel 
carrier is a good bet, I can see that allowing the bottom to shift out causing 
the wear.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:22:15 -0600
From: Max Dillon 
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Tire pressure correct?  Rotating tires on 5k mile schedule?  Bottom link aka 
control arm also repaired?  Bushing replaced at bottom of wheel carrier (where 
control arm attaches)?

If none of those, then either alignment or sub-frame bushings.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Curt Raymond  wrote:

>I noticed today that my '84 190D is excessively wearing the inside edge
>of the rear tires.
>I've had all the rear links done and the shocks are new too, all parts
>from Q.
>I presume theres still something worn in the rear, an alignment was
>done after the links were replaced. Looking at the car it doesn't seem
>like the tires tip in but I suppose they must be.
>
>Any common suspects?
>
>-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Max Dillon
Tire pressure correct?  Rotating tires on 5k mile schedule?  Bottom link aka 
control arm also repaired?  Bushing replaced at bottom of wheel carrier (where 
control arm attaches)?

If none of those, then either alignment or sub-frame bushings.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Curt Raymond  wrote:

>I noticed today that my '84 190D is excessively wearing the inside edge
>of the rear tires.
>I've had all the rear links done and the shocks are new too, all parts
>from Q.
>I presume theres still something worn in the rear, an alignment was
>done after the links were replaced. Looking at the car it doesn't seem
>like the tires tip in but I suppose they must be.
>
>Any common suspects?
>
>-Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Curt Raymond
Normal enough for a car that probably needs struts. I've got the struts but 
haven't found time to put them in. Last time I'd planned that time it NEEDED 
brakes. Now of course its really to cold to be working outside.
Strangely the front tires don't show any odd pattern of wear at all.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:38:00 -0600
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On 24/01/2013 3:13 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I noticed today that my '84 190D is excessively wearing the inside edge of 
> the rear tires.
> I've had all the rear links done and the shocks are new too, all parts from Q.
> I presume theres still something worn in the rear, an alignment was done 
> after the links were replaced. Looking at the car it doesn't seem like the 
> tires tip in but I suppose they must be.
>
> Any common suspects?
>
> -Curt
>
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Maybe the alignment is not correct even though you had it done?
Does it feel normal when you drive it?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Randy Bennell

On 24/01/2013 3:13 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I noticed today that my '84 190D is excessively wearing the inside edge of the 
rear tires.
I've had all the rear links done and the shocks are new too, all parts from Q.
I presume theres still something worn in the rear, an alignment was done after 
the links were replaced. Looking at the car it doesn't seem like the tires tip 
in but I suppose they must be.

Any common suspects?

-Curt

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Maybe the alignment is not correct even though you had it done?
Does it feel normal when you drive it?

Randy

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[MBZ] Worn rear tires

2013-01-24 Thread Curt Raymond
I noticed today that my '84 190D is excessively wearing the inside edge of the 
rear tires.
I've had all the rear links done and the shocks are new too, all parts from Q.
I presume theres still something worn in the rear, an alignment was done after 
the links were replaced. Looking at the car it doesn't seem like the tires tip 
in but I suppose they must be.

Any common suspects?

-Curt

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