Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

Wanna watch me race?  Here's the schedule.  http://chicrosscup.com/schedule/

Does Schwinn have CX bikes? Not the drop bar style, just 
flat-bar-hybrids that use mountain style brakes and can handle wider 
tires.  That'll get you tons of heckle.  Probably not as much as my 
baseball pants, but that's the point of my pants :D


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On 8/15/2013 9:02 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

Luther wrote:

See this video for an idea of my fall fun :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxuDZL_420


I didn't see your name at the end credits streaming?  You gotta talk
to the video editor.
Where are the courses?  Can we watch you race?
Looks like a lot more bike than my Chicago Schwinn.  Does Schwinn have
equipment in this style?
mao



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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Mountain Man]

Luther wrote:
> See this video for an idea of my fall fun :)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxuDZL_420

I didn't see your name at the end credits streaming?  You gotta talk
to the video editor.
Where are the courses?  Can we watch you race?
Looks like a lot more bike than my Chicago Schwinn.  Does Schwinn have
equipment in this style?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

Oops, right.

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On 8/15/2013 5:06 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Benz Hogs wrote:

700 is a touch bigger in diameter than the old 27".


I think Luther got that backwards.
Bead seat diameter on 700 is 622mm, 27" uses a 630 rim, to the brake
reach is 4mm less on a 27".

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Mitch Haley]

Benz Hogs wrote:
700 is a touch bigger in diameter than the old 27".  


I think Luther got that backwards.
Bead seat diameter on 700 is 622mm, 27" uses a 630 rim, to the brake reach is 
4mm less on a 27".


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

700 is a touch bigger in diameter than the old 27".  1-1/4" is about 25% 
wider than a 25mm tire.  The off-road tires I'll be riding for the 
Cyclocross season this fall are about the same width as the old 1-1/4" 
except that mine will have MTB stile knobs to help with cornering, sand, 
and mud.  See this video for an idea of my fall fun :) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxuDZL_420


And more than you wanted to know... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPDklqVnKXg


And some crashes :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MywySj05yWQ

TONS of fun :)

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On 8/14/2013 9:55 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

25 is only like an inch wide then.  or i'm missing something.  like, ok,
the old 10 speed size from teh 70s was 27x1 1/4.  how does that translate
to your 700x sizes?


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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

25 is only like an inch wide then.  or i'm missing something.  like, ok,
the old 10 speed size from teh 70s was 27x1 1/4.  how does that translate
to your 700x sizes?



On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> You are correct that a 28mm rim is huge, good for a 29er.  In my case,28mm
> is the tire outside width, not the rim width.  His rim is 23mm to the
> outside of the braking surface, same that I'll have next month.
> So the 700x25 is for the tire, not the rim.
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
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>
> On 8/14/2013 9:37 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> 28 is a huge rim, no?  like you can run 2 inch wide tires or even bigger
>> on
>> that
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Benz Hogs 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  700x25 is the new 23mm tire since research has shown that 25mm tires are
>>> just as fast as a 23mm.  One of my riding buddies is riding on 28mm
>>> tubeless clincher tires and he claims they feel as fast and comfortable
>>> as
>>> a 25mm tubular.  Wheels and tires have come a LONG way in the last 2
>>> years
>>> alone
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

You are correct that a 28mm rim is huge, good for a 29er.  In my 
case,28mm is the tire outside width, not the rim width.  His rim is 23mm 
to the outside of the braking surface, same that I'll have next month.

So the 700x25 is for the tire, not the rim.

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On 8/14/2013 9:37 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

28 is a huge rim, no?  like you can run 2 inch wide tires or even bigger on
that


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:


700x25 is the new 23mm tire since research has shown that 25mm tires are
just as fast as a 23mm.  One of my riding buddies is riding on 28mm
tubeless clincher tires and he claims they feel as fast and comfortable as
a 25mm tubular.  Wheels and tires have come a LONG way in the last 2 years
alone




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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

28 is a huge rim, no?  like you can run 2 inch wide tires or even bigger on
that


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> 700x25 is the new 23mm tire since research has shown that 25mm tires are
> just as fast as a 23mm.  One of my riding buddies is riding on 28mm
> tubeless clincher tires and he claims they feel as fast and comfortable as
> a 25mm tubular.  Wheels and tires have come a LONG way in the last 2 years
> alone
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (169,xxx mi)
>
> On 8/14/2013 9:30 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> i kinda like those 24x3 tires myself, but i understand how you might want
>> to go wider
>>
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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

700x25 is the new 23mm tire since research has shown that 25mm tires are 
just as fast as a 23mm.  One of my riding buddies is riding on 28mm 
tubeless clincher tires and he claims they feel as fast and comfortable 
as a 25mm tubular.  Wheels and tires have come a LONG way in the last 2 
years alone


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On 8/14/2013 9:30 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

i kinda like those 24x3 tires myself, but i understand how you might want
to go wider


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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

i kinda like those 24x3 tires myself, but i understand how you might want
to go wider


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> Eh, your car analogy is orange to my apples. A wheel that needs the
> equivalent of $5k of work is on the verge of catastrophic failure that you
> can't ride home on.  Spokes are loose and ready to break, your rim has a
> crack in it, the hub has pitted bearings or blown seals, etc.
>
> The way experienced wheel builders explain it, there are 3 kinds of stress
> on a wheel.  Side to side, rotational, and up/down by gravity. If a wheel
> isn't built to handle all three types, it will fail prematurely.  Unless
> you are a 90lb rider, you will cause at least one of these types of stress.
> In my case, it happens to be the combination of my 1100W power and
> 195-200lb rider/bike combined weight that is torture on rear wheels. I'm
> onto my second rebuild in just over a year, one cracked rim due to a
> pothole, and a second dented rim to a pothole that also put a dime sized
> hole in the sidewall of my tire.  My next wheelset will be about 2mm wider
> allowing for more air to protect me and the rim from the bumps on the road.
>
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (169,xxx mi)
>
> On 8/13/2013 11:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> it's that what might be a problem for a serious cyclist might not be a
>> problem for someone who ride 30 miles a week at 8mph.  what might fail for
>> you might be adequate for years for me.
>>
>> it's like my mom's cracked up crappy daewoo.  it "needs" $5k in work and
>> would still be a POS but it gets to the grocery store and back so it's
>> good
>> enough for her purposes
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Benz Hogs 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  So explain your point better :)
>>> My point is stress is stress and the quality of the wheel build will show
>>> up no mater which type of stress you put on the wheel.
>>>
>>>
>>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
>>> '98 ML320 "Max" (169,xxx mi)
>>>
>>> On 8/13/2013 10:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>
>>>  you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes
 you
 ok by me:)


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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

Eh, your car analogy is orange to my apples. A wheel that needs the 
equivalent of $5k of work is on the verge of catastrophic failure that 
you can't ride home on.  Spokes are loose and ready to break, your rim 
has a crack in it, the hub has pitted bearings or blown seals, etc.


The way experienced wheel builders explain it, there are 3 kinds of 
stress on a wheel.  Side to side, rotational, and up/down by gravity. 
If a wheel isn't built to handle all three types, it will fail 
prematurely.  Unless you are a 90lb rider, you will cause at least one 
of these types of stress.
In my case, it happens to be the combination of my 1100W power and 
195-200lb rider/bike combined weight that is torture on rear wheels. 
I'm onto my second rebuild in just over a year, one cracked rim due to a 
pothole, and a second dented rim to a pothole that also put a dime sized 
hole in the sidewall of my tire.  My next wheelset will be about 2mm 
wider allowing for more air to protect me and the rim from the bumps on 
the road.



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On 8/13/2013 11:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

it's that what might be a problem for a serious cyclist might not be a
problem for someone who ride 30 miles a week at 8mph.  what might fail for
you might be adequate for years for me.

it's like my mom's cracked up crappy daewoo.  it "needs" $5k in work and
would still be a POS but it gets to the grocery store and back so it's good
enough for her purposes


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:


So explain your point better :)
My point is stress is stress and the quality of the wheel build will show
up no mater which type of stress you put on the wheel.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (169,xxx mi)

On 8/13/2013 10:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes
you
ok by me:)



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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

it's that what might be a problem for a serious cyclist might not be a
problem for someone who ride 30 miles a week at 8mph.  what might fail for
you might be adequate for years for me.

it's like my mom's cracked up crappy daewoo.  it "needs" $5k in work and
would still be a POS but it gets to the grocery store and back so it's good
enough for her purposes


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> So explain your point better :)
> My point is stress is stress and the quality of the wheel build will show
> up no mater which type of stress you put on the wheel.
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (169,xxx mi)
>
> On 8/13/2013 10:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes
>> you
>> ok by me:)
>>
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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

So explain your point better :)
My point is stress is stress and the quality of the wheel build will 
show up no mater which type of stress you put on the wheel.


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (169,xxx mi)

On 8/13/2013 10:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes you
ok by me:)


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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

you still miss my point but you know a lot about bicycles so that makes you
ok by me  :)


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> I'm trying to say that the wheel is still going to be stressed if you're
> going 12mph or 45mph like I was this weekend.  Whether or not you consider
> yourself a cyclist doesn't have that much bearing on the stress on the
> spokes.
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (169,xxx mi)
>
>
> On 8/13/2013 10:49 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> you miss my point.  cyclists are a whole different breed and often are not
>> relevant to the experience of those who just ride bicycles to get from
>> here
>> to there.  if you are talking about something that happens in your 27th
>> 100k if you happen to go over 25mph, it might now apply to me.  so far the
>> wheel is fine.  the last one lasted 2 years with spokes that caught rot
>> from all the salt water i ride through.  if this one lasts 2 or 3 years, i
>> will be very happy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Eventually = 500-2000mi, maybe in the first year as the metal ages. Just
>>> because you're not a "cyclist" doesn't mean you're not stressing the
>>> spokes.  If you weren't stressing the spokes, you could ride a 20 or 24
>>> spoke wheel :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
>>> '98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2013 11:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>
>>>  when is "eventually"?  i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and
 everything seems in order

 also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist.  i've always been
 just
 a transportation rider.  my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35".  i
 cannot
 and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front
 steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights.



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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

I'm trying to say that the wheel is still going to be stressed if you're 
going 12mph or 45mph like I was this weekend.  Whether or not you 
consider yourself a cyclist doesn't have that much bearing on the stress 
on the spokes.


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'98 ML320 "Max" (169,xxx mi)

On 8/13/2013 10:49 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

you miss my point.  cyclists are a whole different breed and often are not
relevant to the experience of those who just ride bicycles to get from here
to there.  if you are talking about something that happens in your 27th
100k if you happen to go over 25mph, it might now apply to me.  so far the
wheel is fine.  the last one lasted 2 years with spokes that caught rot
from all the salt water i ride through.  if this one lasts 2 or 3 years, i
will be very happy


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:


Eventually = 500-2000mi, maybe in the first year as the metal ages. Just
because you're not a "cyclist" doesn't mean you're not stressing the
spokes.  If you weren't stressing the spokes, you could ride a 20 or 24
spoke wheel :)


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)

On 8/12/2013 11:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


when is "eventually"?  i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and
everything seems in order

also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist.  i've always been just
a transportation rider.  my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35".  i
cannot
and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front
steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights.




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[Gary Hurst]

you miss my point.  cyclists are a whole different breed and often are not
relevant to the experience of those who just ride bicycles to get from here
to there.  if you are talking about something that happens in your 27th
100k if you happen to go over 25mph, it might now apply to me.  so far the
wheel is fine.  the last one lasted 2 years with spokes that caught rot
from all the salt water i ride through.  if this one lasts 2 or 3 years, i
will be very happy


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> Eventually = 500-2000mi, maybe in the first year as the metal ages. Just
> because you're not a "cyclist" doesn't mean you're not stressing the
> spokes.  If you weren't stressing the spokes, you could ride a 20 or 24
> spoke wheel :)
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)
>
> On 8/12/2013 11:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> when is "eventually"?  i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and
>> everything seems in order
>>
>> also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist.  i've always been just
>> a transportation rider.  my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35".  i
>> cannot
>> and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front
>> steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights.
>>
>>
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Eventually = 500-2000mi, maybe in the first year as the metal ages. 
Just because you're not a "cyclist" doesn't mean you're not stressing 
the spokes.  If you weren't stressing the spokes, you could ride a 20 or 
24 spoke wheel :)


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'98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)

On 8/12/2013 11:15 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

when is "eventually"?  i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and
everything seems in order

also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist.  i've always been just
a transportation rider.  my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35".  i cannot
and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front
steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights.



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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

when is "eventually"?  i have a few hundred miles on this wheel and
everything seems in order

also, i'm a transportation rider and not a cyclist.  i've always been just
a transportation rider.  my tires are not 1 inch wide, but 2.35".  i cannot
and would not assume the aerodynamic position, but rather have my front
steering bar raised nearly to ape hanger heights.


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> I ride DT, they make very good spokes, as you would expect from the Swiss.
>  I don't believe they come pre-stretched, so they would need to be
> stretched before building a wheel.  If they're not stretched, they will
> stretch in the wheel and eventually become loose.
>
>
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)
>
> On 8/12/2013 10:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> generally this is the sort of spoke that would be used . have no clue
>> about
>> stretched or not
>> http://www.dtswiss.com/**Components/Spokes/DT-**competition-sup-
>> ®-sup
>>
>>
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I ride DT, they make very good spokes, as you would expect from the 
Swiss.  I don't believe they come pre-stretched, so they would need to 
be stretched before building a wheel.  If they're not stretched, they 
will stretch in the wheel and eventually become loose.



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On 8/12/2013 10:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

generally this is the sort of spoke that would be used . have no clue about
stretched or not
http://www.dtswiss.com/Components/Spokes/DT-competition-sup-®-sup




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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

generally this is the sort of spoke that would be used . have no clue about
stretched or not
http://www.dtswiss.com/Components/Spokes/DT-competition-sup-®-sup


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> If you're not breaking spokes due to power, you'll be ok with the normal
> gauge as spokes are stressed mostly when you put power into the crank.
> Weight generally only stresses the rim and hub as the spokes can distribute
> the weight amongst themselves.  Ask your 10 minute wheel builder if he is
> using stretched spokes.  If not, that's a recipe for wheels being out of
> true later
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)
>
>
> On 8/10/2013 9:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> 14 gauge are standard spokes.  i am unconvinced that thicker spokes are
>> better, although worksman uses the very hefty 11 gauge
>>
>> i use an old and legendary local bicycle mechanic, known around town as
>> "bicycle bobby."  he is the fastest technician i have ever seen in my
>> life.  30 dollars labor to build a wheel but it takes him about 10
>> minutes.  his place uses those swiss stainless spokes (DT?) so i buy them
>> from them at $1 each.  normally i will provide my own hub and rim, most
>> because i am very particular as to what i want (particularly with the
>> hubs)
>> and typical bicycle wholesale supplier doesn't get that i want exactly
>> what
>> i want and not what is convenient for him.  (for example, on my trek 520
>> project, i wanted a shimano 126mm drum brake hub.  not much chance the guy
>> who supplies you with those crappy cheap tires could even figure out what
>> that is)
>>
>> to my mind, understanding the wire spoke wheel is a sign of something good
>> and i know of only 2, maybe 3, guys in this town who "get it"
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Benz Hogs]

If you're not breaking spokes due to power, you'll be ok with the normal 
gauge as spokes are stressed mostly when you put power into the crank. 
Weight generally only stresses the rim and hub as the spokes can 
distribute the weight amongst themselves.  Ask your 10 minute wheel 
builder if he is using stretched spokes.  If not, that's a recipe for 
wheels being out of true later


Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (168,xxx mi)

On 8/10/2013 9:22 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

14 gauge are standard spokes.  i am unconvinced that thicker spokes are
better, although worksman uses the very hefty 11 gauge

i use an old and legendary local bicycle mechanic, known around town as
"bicycle bobby."  he is the fastest technician i have ever seen in my
life.  30 dollars labor to build a wheel but it takes him about 10
minutes.  his place uses those swiss stainless spokes (DT?) so i buy them
from them at $1 each.  normally i will provide my own hub and rim, most
because i am very particular as to what i want (particularly with the hubs)
and typical bicycle wholesale supplier doesn't get that i want exactly what
i want and not what is convenient for him.  (for example, on my trek 520
project, i wanted a shimano 126mm drum brake hub.  not much chance the guy
who supplies you with those crappy cheap tires could even figure out what
that is)

to my mind, understanding the wire spoke wheel is a sign of something good
and i know of only 2, maybe 3, guys in this town who "get it"



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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

14 gauge are standard spokes.  i am unconvinced that thicker spokes are
better, although worksman uses the very hefty 11 gauge

i use an old and legendary local bicycle mechanic, known around town as
"bicycle bobby."  he is the fastest technician i have ever seen in my
life.  30 dollars labor to build a wheel but it takes him about 10
minutes.  his place uses those swiss stainless spokes (DT?) so i buy them
from them at $1 each.  normally i will provide my own hub and rim, most
because i am very particular as to what i want (particularly with the hubs)
and typical bicycle wholesale supplier doesn't get that i want exactly what
i want and not what is convenient for him.  (for example, on my trek 520
project, i wanted a shimano 126mm drum brake hub.  not much chance the guy
who supplies you with those crappy cheap tires could even figure out what
that is)

to my mind, understanding the wire spoke wheel is a sign of something good
and i know of only 2, maybe 3, guys in this town who "get it"


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM,  wrote:

> > i always have to have rear wheels built due to my girth.  first one i
> > built
> > was a 48 spoke one like tandem wheel, but spaced at 135mm rather than
> 145.
> > external gears.  the second was an ordinary 36 spoke hub but i used 12
> > gauge spokes instead of 14, with shimano nexus 3 speed hub and and a
> > weinmann rim that the BMX kids seem to like
>
>
> The strength in a wheel is from tension in the spokes. Durability comes
> from having enough stretch in the spokes to reach that tension that they
> maintain as close to constant tension as possible as the wheel turns
> 'round, and from proper relief of internal stress in the spokes when
> building the wheel.
> Last I knew (a long, long time ago) a lot of bike shop mechanics were in
> the habit of building wheels without enough spoke tension.
>
>
> The 48 spokes might have been on the right track, if they were thin enough
> to have some decent stretch in them. 15ga spokes would be more than strong
> enough for a 48 spoke wheel, probably more than strong enough for a 36
> spoke wheel. If you add tension until failure and it's the rim that fails
> first, there's no reason to go thicker on the spokes.
>
> You should check out this book:
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Bicycle-Wheel-3rd-Edition/dp/0960723668
> My former bike club's library has it, my local public library does not.
>
> Too bad Jobst hasn't been active on Usenet since his stroke a couple of
> years ago, or I'd tell you to post a query on rec.bicycles.tech.
>
> Mitch.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Peter Hertzing]

100% correct the old archers are the way to go basically super cheap and east 
to keep working

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On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Rick Hawkins Java  wrote:

> Gary
> 
> watch ebay
> 
> i drove a columbia bike for about 10 years when i was a kid  in the '60's 
> (still have the bike in my father's basement) and although it's robust and 
> reliable, i'm not really a fan of them
> 
> Whenever you put on the brakes it shifts gears so you have to develop a brake 
> and then another quick shift with your feet to stay in the gear you were in
> 
> I much prefer the sturmey archer (or shimano) 3 speed hub with external shift
> 
> the sturmeys are repairable, but the shimanos really are not (you just 
> replace all the internals in them)
> 
> If you shop for sturmey hubs be sure you don't get one with 40 spokes which 
> were common on english bikes because most wheels are 36 spokes
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[mlh]

> i always have to have rear wheels built due to my girth.  first one i
> built
> was a 48 spoke one like tandem wheel, but spaced at 135mm rather than 145.
> external gears.  the second was an ordinary 36 spoke hub but i used 12
> gauge spokes instead of 14, with shimano nexus 3 speed hub and and a
> weinmann rim that the BMX kids seem to like


The strength in a wheel is from tension in the spokes. Durability comes
from having enough stretch in the spokes to reach that tension that they
maintain as close to constant tension as possible as the wheel turns
'round, and from proper relief of internal stress in the spokes when
building the wheel.
Last I knew (a long, long time ago) a lot of bike shop mechanics were in
the habit of building wheels without enough spoke tension.


The 48 spokes might have been on the right track, if they were thin enough
to have some decent stretch in them. 15ga spokes would be more than strong
enough for a 48 spoke wheel, probably more than strong enough for a 36
spoke wheel. If you add tension until failure and it's the rim that fails
first, there's no reason to go thicker on the spokes.

You should check out this book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Bicycle-Wheel-3rd-Edition/dp/0960723668
My former bike club's library has it, my local public library does not.

Too bad Jobst hasn't been active on Usenet since his stroke a couple of
years ago, or I'd tell you to post a query on rec.bicycles.tech.

Mitch.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Gary Hurst]

i always have to have rear wheels built due to my girth.  first one i built
was a 48 spoke one like tandem wheel, but spaced at 135mm rather than 145.
external gears.  the second was an ordinary 36 spoke hub but i used 12
gauge spokes instead of 14, with shimano nexus 3 speed hub and and a
weinmann rim that the BMX kids seem to like.  if that goes really bad, i'll
probably just replace it with a worksman steel wheel with the same hub as
it's on a cruiser bike anyway  the frames are from a trek 930 (lugged steel
from wisconsin) and an electra cruiser (tig welded taiwan)

i have 2 other frames to build on.  one is a trek 520 (also lugged
wisconsin) and the other is a china trek navigator.  i know what i want to
do with the 520, but i'm thinking of building up the navigator as that 2
speed kickback.  it probably won't work as there are technical issues with
using a coaster brake on a bike with vertical dropouts and not having the
chain  fall off when braking, but i haven't fully explored the issue.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Rick Hawkins Java  wrote:

> Gary
>
> watch ebay
>
> i drove a columbia bike for about 10 years when i was a kid  in the '60's
> (still have the bike in my father's basement) and although it's robust and
> reliable, i'm not really a fan of them
>
> Whenever you put on the brakes it shifts gears so you have to develop a
> brake and then another quick shift with your feet to stay in the gear you
> were in
>
> I much prefer the sturmey archer (or shimano) 3 speed hub with external
> shift
>
> the sturmeys are repairable, but the shimanos really are not (you just
> replace all the internals in them)
>
> If you shop for sturmey hubs be sure you don't get one with 40 spokes
> which were common on english bikes because most wheels are 36 spokes
>
>
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
>
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> www.javacycles.com
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[MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Rick Hawkins Java]

Gary

watch ebay

i drove a columbia bike for about 10 years when i was a kid  in the  
'60's (still have the bike in my father's basement) and although it's  
robust and reliable, i'm not really a fan of them


Whenever you put on the brakes it shifts gears so you have to develop  
a brake and then another quick shift with your feet to stay in the  
gear you were in


I much prefer the sturmey archer (or shimano) 3 speed hub with  
external shift


the sturmeys are repairable, but the shimanos really are not (you just  
replace all the internals in them)


If you shop for sturmey hubs be sure you don't get one with 40 spokes  
which were common on english bikes because most wheels are 36 spokes



thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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