Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
That's about right for 4/0. Add 5 pounds to each end of the cable for the camloc connectors, too, as they are big and solid copper. We used tons of this stuff in the generator business, especially with rental units. Talk about lots of money... MacDan --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:17:07 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill wrote: And buy something nice for one of your MB's. How heavy is four-ought? If it's manageable, I'd be tempted to make myself a new set of welding cables instead of selling it. They just finished filming some scenes for the upcoming film Brothers in the house across the street. The guy rolling up the 4/0 lighting power cables this morning said a 100' length was 85 pounds. I think he was talking about 1 conductor. BTW, if anyone sees the film, ours is the brick house across the street. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
VERY heavy. I'd make welding cables out of ought or double-ought, not four-ought. This wire isn't light Luther On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:46:07 -0600, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:17:07 -0500, Mitch wrote: How heavy is four-ought? If it's manageable, I'd be tempted to make myself a new set of welding cables instead of selling it. Like in pounds or kilograms? Or as in current capacity? Current capacity in a 60 deg C raceway is 195 amps. As to it's weight. It is 11.7 mm diameter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge So the area of the end of the wire is radius (11.7 / 2 = 5.85) squared (34.2225) times pi (3.14159) equals 107.51 mm^2 or 1.075 cm^2. Volume equals the area of the base times the height. 60 ft long wire = 1828.8 cm 1828.8 x 1.075 = 1966.2 cm^3 Copper's density at room temperature is 8.96 g per cm^3 1966.2 x 8.96 = 17617 g or 17 kg or 38.8 lbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper Approximately. -- Philip -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
When we would make up cables for our rental generators we used the scraps to make battery cables for our cars. We had the nice solder type battery terminals, too. Voltage drop? We don't need no stinkin' voltage drop! I can recall a VW I had that was retrofitted with a set of these. Darn starter would practically spin out of the bellhousing when I cranked it. Dan --- Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VERY heavy. I'd make welding cables out of ought or double-ought, not four-ought. This wire isn't light Luther On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:46:07 -0600, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:17:07 -0500, Mitch wrote: How heavy is four-ought? If it's manageable, I'd be tempted to make myself a new set of welding cables instead of selling it. Like in pounds or kilograms? Or as in current capacity? Current capacity in a 60 deg C raceway is 195 amps. As to it's weight. It is 11.7 mm diameter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge So the area of the end of the wire is radius (11.7 / 2 = 5.85) squared (34.2225) times pi (3.14159) equals 107.51 mm^2 or 1.075 cm^2. Volume equals the area of the base times the height. 60 ft long wire = 1828.8 cm 1828.8 x 1.075 = 1966.2 cm^3 Copper's density at room temperature is 8.96 g per cm^3 1966.2 x 8.96 = 17617 g or 17 kg or 38.8 lbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper Approximately. -- Philip -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Drool. Where would four-ought battery terminals be found? Luther On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:58:30 -0600, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we would make up cables for our rental generators we used the scraps to make battery cables for our cars. We had the nice solder type battery terminals, too. Voltage drop? We don't need no stinkin' voltage drop! I can recall a VW I had that was retrofitted with a set of these. Darn starter would practically spin out of the bellhousing when I cranked it. Dan --- Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VERY heavy. I'd make welding cables out of ought or double-ought, not four-ought. This wire isn't light Luther -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
They were big heavy duty ones we used to make up cables for the 8D battery banks we fabricated for the gensets. The other ends were crimp style ring terminals. I just recall having to use a torch to solder them... Dan --- Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drool. Where would four-ought battery terminals be found? Luther On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:58:30 -0600, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we would make up cables for our rental generators we used the scraps to make battery cables for our cars. We had the nice solder type battery terminals, too. Voltage drop? We don't need no stinkin' voltage drop! I can recall a VW I had that was retrofitted with a set of these. Darn starter would practically spin out of the bellhousing when I cranked it. Dan --- Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VERY heavy. I'd make welding cables out of ought or double-ought, not four-ought. This wire isn't light Luther -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Commercial battery shops like Interstate, will make up any cable config you specify. Also, the golf cart battery places typically use heavier cables with the 6 volt batteries. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles In a message dated 12/23/2007 2:21:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Drool. Where would four-ought battery terminals be found? Luther On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:58:30 -0600, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we would make up cables for our rental generators we used the scraps to make battery cables for our cars. We had the nice solder type battery terminals, too. Voltage drop? We don't need no stinkin' voltage drop! **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
I've got an old Farmall, when I inherited it it had 1ga battery cables for the 6v electrics. I put on 0ga cables and the improvement was tremendous. Next time they need changing I'll probably go 00. A few years ago I'd suggested 0ga cables for my 240D and Marshall read me the riot act. My 190D has cables that are ugly at best. I've been thinking replacement this summer and if I do they'll be no smaller than 0ga. It might not help but it shouldn't hurt and if I need to do them anyway... -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 When we would make up cables for our rental generators we used the scraps to make battery cables for our cars. We had the nice solder type battery terminals, too. Voltage drop? We don't need no stinkin' voltage drop! I can recall a VW I had that was retrofitted with a set of these. Darn starter would practically spin out of the bellhousing when I cranked it. Dan - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:27:14 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking replacement this summer and if I do they'll be no smaller than 0ga. It might not help but it shouldn't hurt and if I need to do them anyway... Good line of thinking. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Car battery cables are made of a fine braid wire. Standard braid cables can stress crack at solder and crimp joints due to vibration. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/23/07 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves I've got an old Farmall, when I inherited it it had 1ga battery cables for the 6v electrics. I put on 0ga cables and the improvement was tremendous. Next time they need changing I'll probably go 00. A few years ago I'd suggested 0ga cables for my 240D and Marshall read me the riot act. My 190D has cables that are ugly at best. I've been thinking replacement this summer and if I do they'll be no smaller than 0ga. It might not help but it shouldn't hurt and if I need to do them anyway... -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 When we would make up cables for our rental generators we used the scraps to make battery cables for our cars. We had the nice solder type battery terminals, too. Voltage drop? We don't need no stinkin' voltage drop! I can recall a VW I had that was retrofitted with a set of these. Darn starter would practically spin out of the bellhousing when I cranked it. Dan - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:40:35 -0600 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Car battery cables are made of a fine braid wire. Standard braid cables can stress crack at solder and crimp joints due to vibration. Welding cables are extra-fine braid wire. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
I'm talking 4/0, also known as four ott' (phonetic pronunciation) welding/lighting cables. These are made with very fine strands and are very, very flexible. The difference in cross section and surface area of the conductor is pretty substantial compared to standard electrical cables that would be used for building wiring. And yes, the voltage drop as you increase the cable cross section goes down significantly. Dan --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got an old Farmall, when I inherited it it had 1ga battery cables for the 6v electrics. I put on 0ga cables and the improvement was tremendous. Next time they need changing I'll probably go 00. A few years ago I'd suggested 0ga cables for my 240D and Marshall read me the riot act. My 190D has cables that are ugly at best. I've been thinking replacement this summer and if I do they'll be no smaller than 0ga. It might not help but it shouldn't hurt and if I need to do them anyway... -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 When we would make up cables for our rental generators we used the scraps to make battery cables for our cars. We had the nice solder type battery terminals, too. Voltage drop? We don't need no stinkin' voltage drop! I can recall a VW I had that was retrofitted with a set of these. Darn starter would practically spin out of the bellhousing when I cranked it. Dan - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:17:07 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill wrote: And buy something nice for one of your MB's. How heavy is four-ought? If it's manageable, I'd be tempted to make myself a new set of welding cables instead of selling it. They just finished filming some scenes for the upcoming film Brothers in the house across the street. The guy rolling up the 4/0 lighting power cables this morning said a 100' length was 85 pounds. I think he was talking about 1 conductor. BTW, if anyone sees the film, ours is the brick house across the street. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
It seems than at Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:17:07 -0500, Mitch wrote: How heavy is four-ought? If it's manageable, I'd be tempted to make myself a new set of welding cables instead of selling it. Like in pounds or kilograms? Or as in current capacity? Current capacity in a 60 deg C raceway is 195 amps. As to it's weight. It is 11.7 mm diameter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge So the area of the end of the wire is radius (11.7 / 2 = 5.85) squared (34.2225) times pi (3.14159) equals 107.51 mm^2 or 1.075 cm^2. Volume equals the area of the base times the height. 60 ft long wire = 1828.8 cm 1828.8 x 1.075 = 1966.2 cm^3 Copper's density at room temperature is 8.96 g per cm^3 1966.2 x 8.96 = 17617 g or 17 kg or 38.8 lbs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper Approximately. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Bill wrote: And buy something nice for one of your MB's. How heavy is four-ought? If it's manageable, I'd be tempted to make myself a new set of welding cables instead of selling it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Not a bad idea there. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Timothy Robinson wrote: Well, not long ago we caught a guy helping himself to a friend's sound system in a parking lot. We tackled the guy and held him while calling the police (informing them that we were holding the guy). An hour and half and second call later... Next time, when you make the second call, tell them there's no hurry, you had to shoot him and he's deceased. You'll have six cops in five minutes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves / dumb thieves in general
We had a couple of kids going through the lots [at Butler University when I worked there] to siphon gas. When the campus security came by one of them decided to act cool, so he dropped the hose he was using and lit a cigarette. IIRC he burned up both cars. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Robinson Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves I remember in the 70s, gasoline shortage, the fuel lines... There were some kids who were stealing gas. The MOD was they would punch a hole in a gas tank and place a container underneath. When the container was filled, of course the remaining full spilled on the ground. They would then return to get the can of fuel. The Baptist church had a fleet of buses for their Children's Church Sunday routes. They'd been hit a few times. Some of the men in the church decided to have a stake-out. There was something ironic about a dozen men armed with shotguns and rifles keeping watch out of windows overlooking the bus parking lot. Not sure if they apprehended anyone but it all seemed very Christian. From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:48:53 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves A couple weeks ago a guy south of Houston popped a couple of sh**heads who had just burgled his neighbors' home (they were gone), carrying the loot, and coming into his yard. One had been deported already for drug offenses and came back, the other was another multiply-convicted felon, both from Brazil or somewhere, upstanding guest workers.. It comes out in the investigation that there was a plain clothes cop sitting on the street watching this all go down, having arrived when the guy called 911, but for some reason did not intervene. The neighbor remained on the 911 call while dealing with the perps, all on tape. Most observers (except for a local loudmouth named Quannell X of the New Black Panther Party and his posse) feel the neighbor did everyone a big favor, grand jury will rule in a couple weeks if he should be charged. (In Texas the new law seems to favor the neighbor, we will see.) I doubt any of this will deter the dumbass copper thieves (rampant around here, have hit a lot of churches lately) as they are too stupid to think about their occupational hazards. Just tonight on the news a scrap yard owner was arrested for dealing a bunch of stolen brass, still packaged. Duh. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Most don't understand the function of our police force. Their job is to follow up after the crime, not prevent the crime. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
And buy something nice for one of your MB's. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves I've got about 50-60 feet of that I pulled from a construction dumpster. I'm thinking that I should strip the insulation and take it to the local recycler for some 's. Luther, copper thief? On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:31:56 -0600, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Or do what a friend of mine did when the radio was stolen out of his Toyota Supra. Epoxy a few razor blades in staryegic locations. The next time he was broken into the thieves left his radio and a blood sample. There was no third time. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/21/07 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Not a bad idea there. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Timothy Robinson wrote: Well, not long ago we caught a guy helping himself to a friend's sound system in a parking lot. We tackled the guy and held him while calling the police (informing them that we were holding the guy). An hour and half and second call later... Next time, when you make the second call, tell them there's no hurry, you had to shoot him and he's deceased. You'll have six cops in five minutes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Tom Hargrave wrote: Or do what a friend of mine did when the radio was stolen out of his Toyota Supra. Epoxy a few razor blades in staryegic locations. The next time he was broken into the thieves left his radio and a blood sample. There was no third time. Sounds like thief #1 and thief #2 were the same guy. There was a stolen hood star thread about 4-5 years back, in which we concluded that injuring or inducing pain in the thief was an invitation for retaliatory vandalism. Maybe honing the bottom edge of the hood ornament to a knife edge isn't such a bad idea after all. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Christopher McCann wrote: Alternatives - eliminating the penny, plastic. Mitch wrote: Once upon a time, we eliminated the half penny. At that time, the penny became the lowest denomination coin, and AFAIK nobody had a problem with it. The quarter is probably worth as much now as the penny was then. I think we could do away with the penny AND the nickel. Mitch. Are you running for office? I'll vote for you! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
It was last year or the year before in NH they did just that. Thought rubber gloves would protect them from the input to a substation. Fifty gazillion volts and they were all done... -Curt Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:30:54 -0800 From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed IIRC there was a large traffic jamming upgrade made to one of our usually clogged highways here in seattle. Took a few days to put down a few miles of copper stuff and buckle up the roadway. A few days latter some person decided to rent a digger machine and remove said copper, causing the state to once more block up traffic and install some more copper. Wish the idiots would go after live wires clay - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kind of like a big Presto hotdog cooker? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:49 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves It was last year or the year before in NH they did just that. Thought rubber gloves would protect them from the input to a substation. Fifty gazillion volts and they were all done... -Curt Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:30:54 -0800 From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed IIRC there was a large traffic jamming upgrade made to one of our usually clogged highways here in seattle. Took a few days to put down a few miles of copper stuff and buckle up the roadway. A few days latter some person decided to rent a digger machine and remove said copper, causing the state to once more block up traffic and install some more copper. Wish the idiots would go after live wires clay - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In Australia we did away with our 1 and 2 cent pieces many moons ago, the Government just one day said it's time to get rid of the small shrapnel and round up and down. Although rounding up seemed to be the outcome. Hendrik Fmiser wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Alternatives - eliminating the penny, plastic. Mitch wrote: Once upon a time, we eliminated the half penny. At that time, the penny became the lowest denomination coin, and AFAIK nobody had a problem with it. The quarter is probably worth as much now as the penny was then. I think we could do away with the penny AND the nickel. Mitch. Are you running for office? I'll vote for you! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Howdy, ya know, rounding up on all transactions can mean millions of dollars/franc/whatever - years ago one of the 1st computer crime involved a programmer (or something) who added some code so each transaction was rounded down and the 1/2 penney, 3/4 penney/whatever was put into an account only he knew about - then as the money built up he would have that account issue checks to bogus companies he had created - this was at a company that processed all the produce being picked in Ca (IIRC) so there were a LOT of transactions - every time a truck arrived full of tomatoes they'd pay them - and there were a lot of trucks. The truck would get, say, $10,000.018 (based on weight) and the program would round the payment down to $10,000.01 and the extra $.008 would go his way. This happened in the 60s or 70s I believe and not that many people were familiar with computers - and when the programmer was making things as complicated as possible it was even tougher to see what was happening. Of course, he was eventually caught. Also read that white collar criminals average $1million to $2Million dollars per crime while people who walk into a bank and say, Stick em up. get around $300. Not very profitable considering the risk. Copper stealing probably takes a lot of work considering the profit also. Risk of getting caught would seem high also - although those on this list seem to keep getting hit - ;-) Merry Christmas - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves In Australia we did away with our 1 and 2 cent pieces many moons ago, the Government just one day said it's time to get rid of the small shrapnel and round up and down. Although rounding up seemed to be the outcome. Hendrik Fmiser wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: Alternatives - eliminating the penny, plastic. Mitch wrote: Once upon a time, we eliminated the half penny. At that time, the penny became the lowest denomination coin, and AFAIK nobody had a problem with it. The quarter is probably worth as much now as the penny was then. I think we could do away with the penny AND the nickel. Mitch. Are you running for office? I'll vote for you! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
I've got about 50-60 feet of that I pulled from a construction dumpster. I'm thinking that I should strip the insulation and take it to the local recycler for some 's. Luther, copper thief? On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:31:56 -0600, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
The good places will strip it for you for free. Competition and all... --R Luther wrote: I've got about 50-60 feet of that I pulled from a construction dumpster. I'm thinking that I should strip the insulation and take it to the local recycler for some 's. Luther, copper thief? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
IIRC there was a large traffic jamming upgrade made to one of our usually clogged highways here in seattle. Took a few days to put down a few miles of copper stuff and buckle up the roadway. A few days latter some person decided to rent a digger machine and remove said copper, causing the state to once more block up traffic and install some more copper. Wish the idiots would go after live wires clay They have. My local electric coop has reported that a number of people have been killed by messing with live, high-voltage lines and live sub-stations. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser wrote: My local electric coop has reported that a number of people have been killed by messing with live, high-voltage lines and live sub-stations. Hey, it's cheaper than shooting them. And you don't have to catch them in the act, you only need to find the bodies and have them removed before they stink too much. Seems like a win-win to me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey didn't some incident like that in Paris suburbs spark Muslim outrage a few months back, in addition to sparking a coupla Muslim yutes? I don't mean that to be a political statement -- everybody got all up about a coupla guys who were doing something in a power substation, reportedly running from the cops, but it looked like the cops found them trying to steal copper from the substation, they ran and got a taste of old sparkie, and then the rioting started. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Fmiser wrote: My local electric coop has reported that a number of people have been killed by messing with live, high-voltage lines and live sub-stations. Hey, it's cheaper than shooting them. And you don't have to catch them in the act, you only need to find the bodies and have them removed before they stink too much. Seems like a win-win to me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves/copper scavenging is not new!
In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:15:03 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Copper stealing probably takes a lot of work considering the profit also. Risk of getting caught would seem high also - although those on this list seem to keep getting hit - Back in 67, I was just out of the Navy, and I took a facility engineers job with a big insurance company in San Francisco. They had just added a 120,000 square feet of office space and we were ready to hook up the new substation. The electrical contractor had tape measured the empty conduits and precut and terminated several 500MCM power cables ( the copper is about the diameter of a skinny index finger and I think the pieces were about 40 feet long). All was ready on Friday with a scheduled shut down on Sunday morning to install the cables and heat up the sub station. You guessed it--on Sunday morning, the cables were nowhere to be found. It seems the night janitor foreman had been scavenging copper scraps for years and had hit the big bonanza! While his crew was cleaning up, he was cleaning up too. He had to cut the cables into pieces small enough to carry, and also to fit in the back of his VW bus! I think there were 12 cables at 40' each, so you can imagine how much weight was in that bus! Not sure how long it took him, or if he made more than one trip. There were several janitors that fingered him ( he wasn't too well liked) and a lot of pressure to fire him. But he had some kind of job guarantee for life and continued working there with reduced responsibility. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves/copper scavenging is not new!
So, how do you double the value of a VW buss? You load the back up with scrap copper wire! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:03 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves/copper scavenging is not new! In a message dated 12/20/2007 10:15:03 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Copper stealing probably takes a lot of work considering the profit also. Risk of getting caught would seem high also - although those on this list seem to keep getting hit - Back in 67, I was just out of the Navy, and I took a facility engineers job with a big insurance company in San Francisco. They had just added a 120,000 square feet of office space and we were ready to hook up the new substation. The electrical contractor had tape measured the empty conduits and precut and terminated several 500MCM power cables ( the copper is about the diameter of a skinny index finger and I think the pieces were about 40 feet long). All was ready on Friday with a scheduled shut down on Sunday morning to install the cables and heat up the sub station. You guessed it--on Sunday morning, the cables were nowhere to be found. It seems the night janitor foreman had been scavenging copper scraps for years and had hit the big bonanza! While his crew was cleaning up, he was cleaning up too. He had to cut the cables into pieces small enough to carry, and also to fit in the back of his VW bus! I think there were 12 cables at 40' each, so you can imagine how much weight was in that bus! Not sure how long it took him, or if he made more than one trip. There were several janitors that fingered him ( he wasn't too well liked) and a lot of pressure to fire him. But he had some kind of job guarantee for life and continued working there with reduced responsibility. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
We had 3 a/c units hit at work a few months back. Just yesterday, a bishop in Argentina that works with us (we publish Catholic books) let us know that there is no point in calling as they have stolen the phone lines AGAIN - obviously for the copper. That was in Argentina. So, it seems to be a world-wide phenomenon. Chris Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
One wonders at point thieves will break into cash registers in order to steal the copper PENNIES and leave behind the worthless paper money (US$$). On Dec 19, 2007 1:39 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had 3 a/c units hit at work a few months back. Just yesterday, a bishop in Argentina that works with us (we publish Catholic books) let us know that there is no point in calling as they have stolen the phone lines AGAIN - obviously for the copper. That was in Argentina. So, it seems to be a world-wide phenomenon. Chris Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. The proceeds no doubt used to finance that victimless crime of recreational drug use. -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've had similar happen, return to a jobsite after a weekend and someone has stripped copper brankch circuits plumbing just to sell at scrap prices. I'm a trusting, fatalist, Karma type. Well, I was and hate to lose that... I've been known to use a little ingenuity such as energizing metal components with electricity. DANGER! KEEP OUT! means just that. Mo, I won't fry or maim anyone, but it doesn't take them long to look at a tool and put it down, ...if they can. I really don't have a sense of humor. The first experience was in having $4,500. of hand tools stolen from a site. Some couldn't be replaced easily as it took years to accumulate. Had I not had to finish the project I probably would have just quit and not tried to replace the tools. I took that quite personally. In years past I've actually camped out at a site just hoping to catch someone. If I did they'd probably wish that I'd call the police to rescue them. From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:31:56 -0500 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] copper thieves Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
Timothy Robinson wrote: In years past I've actually camped out at a site just hoping to catch someone. If I did they'd probably wish that I'd call the police to rescue them. I own a vacant lot about 3 miles from where I currently live. I'd like to build a nice big workshop/office there, but the thought of having a truckload of building materials stolen or vandalized leaves me feeling just a bit homicidal. I can be dressed and on the scene in five minutes, so I'll probably rig up a cell phone alarm or two and have it call me. Probably get no sleep from the deer playing with my tripwires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A year or so ago here in the Houston area a guy traded a coupla thieves a small bit of lead for the copper they were trying to take from his AC unit, and one ended up owning a small plot of ground. Occupational hazard. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] copper thieves
US Pennies have not been made out of copper since 1982 when the value of the copper exceeed 1 cent. Since then, they are made from zinc coated with copper. But this year, the value of the zinc exceeded one cent and now Congress is looking into alternatives. People are melting down large quantities of pennies and selling the zinc at a profit. Alternatives - eliminating the penny, plastic. To say nothing of the fact that quarters, dimes and half dollars were made of 90% silver up to 1964. One could go on and on. It's called inflating the currency, devaluation of currency, etcbut no one will say that but Ron Paul. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One wonders at point thieves will break into cash registers in order to steal the copper PENNIES and leave behind the worthless paper money (US$$). On Dec 19, 2007 1:39 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: We had 3 a/c units hit at work a few months back. Just yesterday, a bishop in Argentina that works with us (we publish Catholic books) let us know that there is no point in calling as they have stolen the phone lines AGAIN - obviously for the copper. That was in Argentina. So, it seems to be a world-wide phenomenon. Chris Bill wrote: Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is a major league shopping mall on the north side of Milwaukee that was vacant for about a year, as all of the anchor stores had pulled out and moved to the 'burbs - thieves went so far as to rent a crane and remove all the AC units off the roof and haul them away on flatbed tractor trailers in broad daylight. No one thought anything about it, until the owners noticed the damage from the gaping holes in the roof a few months later. Dan --- andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One wonders at point thieves will break into cash registers in order to steal the copper PENNIES and leave behind the worthless paper money (US$$). On Dec 19, 2007 1:39 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had 3 a/c units hit at work a few months back. Just yesterday, a bishop in Argentina that works with us (we publish Catholic books) let us know that there is no point in calling as they have stolen the phone lines AGAIN - obviously for the copper. That was in Argentina. So, it seems to be a world-wide phenomenon. Chris Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Christopher McCann wrote: Alternatives - eliminating the penny, plastic. Once upon a time, we eliminated the half penny. At that time, the penny became the lowest denomination coin, and AFAIK nobody had a problem with it. The quarter is probably worth as much now as the penny was then. I think we could do away with the penny AND the nickel. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Lock up the guys/recyclers buying the copper from the thieves for a long time and make them pay restitution to the victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They just busted a recycle yard in Seattle not too long ago... Some undercover-police-types were selling material to the yard that was obviously not legit (street signs, etc) and then they busted them. Basically the same as a pawnshop that buys obviously stolen goods. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lock up the guys/recyclers buying the copper from the thieves for a long time and make them pay restitution to the victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pretty much increases and decreases with the price of copper. Christopher McCann wrote: We had 3 a/c units hit at work a few months back. Just yesterday, a bishop in Argentina that works with us (we publish Catholic books) let us know that there is no point in calling as they have stolen the phone lines AGAIN - obviously for the copper. That was in Argentina. So, it seems to be a world-wide phenomenon. Chris Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well you'd think when a couple of crackheads show up at the scrap yard with a brand new commercial A/C unit that they tell them to get lost and call the cops. On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Zach wrote: They just busted a recycle yard in Seattle not too long ago... Some undercover-police-types were selling material to the yard that was obviously not legit (street signs, etc) and then they busted them. Basically the same as a pawnshop that buys obviously stolen goods. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lock up the guys/recyclers buying the copper from the thieves for a long time and make them pay restitution to the victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Possibly, but I think they have gone way beyond recreational use. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rory Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. The proceeds no doubt used to finance that victimless crime of recreational drug use. -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The other problem with being around when they are is that the police, at least, think these guys are high on dope when they do it. If you are there it could be dangerous. Call the police - they should be there within a half hour, which is all the time it takes to get the copper out of 6 AC units and be long gone... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Timothy Robinson wrote: In years past I've actually camped out at a site just hoping to catch someone. If I did they'd probably wish that I'd call the police to rescue them. I own a vacant lot about 3 miles from where I currently live. I'd like to build a nice big workshop/office there, but the thought of having a truckload of building materials stolen or vandalized leaves me feeling just a bit homicidal. I can be dressed and on the scene in five minutes, so I'll probably rig up a cell phone alarm or two and have it call me. Probably get no sleep from the deer playing with my tripwires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The problem and the deniability for the recycler is that all that shows up is a pickup with a bunch of scrap copper in the back. They demolish the AC units for the copper and leave everything else. How was I to know that bright copper stuff wasn't old scrap? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Well you'd think when a couple of crackheads show up at the scrap yard with a brand new commercial A/C unit that they tell them to get lost and call the cops. On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Zach wrote: They just busted a recycle yard in Seattle not too long ago... Some undercover-police-types were selling material to the yard that was obviously not legit (street signs, etc) and then they busted them. Basically the same as a pawnshop that buys obviously stolen goods. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lock up the guys/recyclers buying the copper from the thieves for a long time and make them pay restitution to the victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Most don't understand the function of our police force. Their job is to follow up after the crime, not prevent the crime. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:31 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves The other problem with being around when they are is that the police, at least, think these guys are high on dope when they do it. If you are there it could be dangerous. Call the police - they should be there within a half hour, which is all the time it takes to get the copper out of 6 AC units and be long gone... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Timothy Robinson wrote: In years past I've actually camped out at a site just hoping to catch someone. If I did they'd probably wish that I'd call the police to rescue them. I own a vacant lot about 3 miles from where I currently live. I'd like to build a nice big workshop/office there, but the thought of having a truckload of building materials stolen or vandalized leaves me feeling just a bit homicidal. I can be dressed and on the scene in five minutes, so I'll probably rig up a cell phone alarm or two and have it call me. Probably get no sleep from the deer playing with my tripwires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I owned a retail business in the early 80s. It was broken into one night. Some merchandise and a high end stereo were stole though no cash was in the registers. Some bold person had thrown a brick through one of the front plate glass windows so there was glass all about. Though there was no alarm (penalties for noise ordinance on false alarms) I did have a closed circuit video system. A guy shows up about the time we arrive at the store to discover the theft. He was one of the local characters and insisted he could help clean up the glass though I had told everyone not to touch until the police arrived. The manager of the store had paid this guy to clean the windows and take care of trash one evening. As police were filing the report (about the extent of action one gets around here) I checked the video tape and there was this same guy on the tape. The police arrested him but not before he accidentally cut himself on some glass. The guy had the nerve to try to file a Workman's Comp claim against me saying he was working for me when he was cut. From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:25:53 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves A year or so ago here in the Houston area a guy traded a coupla thieves a small bit of lead for the copper they were trying to take from his AC unit, and one ended up owning a small plot of ground. Occupational hazard. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, not long ago we caught a guy helping himself to a friend's sound system in a parking lot. We tackled the guy and held him while calling the police (informing them that we were holding the guy). An hour and half and second call later we were tired and the guy was frustrated and we wound up letting him go. When the police arrived they were irritated that we didn't hold the guy longer. It was like, Yeah? Well? Did you think to bring US any doughnuts? From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:30:39 -0500 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves The other problem with being around when they are is that the police, at least, think these guys are high on dope when they do it. If you are there it could be dangerous. Call the police - they should be there within a half hour, which is all the time it takes to get the copper out of 6 AC units and be long gone... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Timothy Robinson wrote: In years past I've actually camped out at a site just hoping to catch someone. If I did they'd probably wish that I'd call the police to rescue them. I own a vacant lot about 3 miles from where I currently live. I'd like to build a nice big workshop/office there, but the thought of having a truckload of building materials stolen or vandalized leaves me feeling just a bit homicidal. I can be dressed and on the scene in five minutes, so I'll probably rig up a cell phone alarm or two and have it call me. Probably get no sleep from the deer playing with my tripwires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah... most of the time it's just that report you need to try to write off the loss on Schedule A (and be treated like a criminal by the IRS). From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:45:19 -0600 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Most don't understand the function of our police force. Their job is to follow up after the crime, not prevent the crime. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:31 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves The other problem with being around when they are is that the police, at least, think these guys are high on dope when they do it. If you are there it could be dangerous. Call the police - they should be there within a half hour, which is all the time it takes to get the copper out of 6 AC units and be long gone... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Timothy Robinson wrote: In years past I've actually camped out at a site just hoping to catch someone. If I did they'd probably wish that I'd call the police to rescue them. I own a vacant lot about 3 miles from where I currently live. I'd like to build a nice big workshop/office there, but the thought of having a truckload of building materials stolen or vandalized leaves me feeling just a bit homicidal. I can be dressed and on the scene in five minutes, so I'll probably rig up a cell phone alarm or two and have it call me. Probably get no sleep from the deer playing with my tripwires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I read an article about a fellow who was looking to scrounge up all the spare pennies out there for making a profit. One of those coin gobbling machine companies was selling him the pennies. He would sort out those older than 1981, which are heavy copper, then packed the newer ones for shipping to areas that were low in penny. This would save the mint from making more $0.02 pennies, and he would melt down the old coin. Free shipping of newer penny, as well as free pennies where needed since he was making so much off the copper. The gummint stepped in and made him stop. Go figure clay On 19 Dec 2007, at 13:14, andrew strasfogel wrote: One wonders at point thieves will break into cash registers in order to steal the copper PENNIES and leave behind the worthless paper money (US$$). On Dec 19, 2007 1:39 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had 3 a/c units hit at work a few months back. Just yesterday, a bishop in Argentina that works with us (we publish Catholic books) let us know that there is no point in calling as they have stolen the phone lines AGAIN - obviously for the copper. That was in Argentina. So, it seems to be a world-wide phenomenon. Chris Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had breakfast with my pastor last week; thought he looked a bit like someone who had a bad day or so. Turns out thieves destroyed 6 AC units from the church the morning before - including three we just had replaced for about $15k. $33k damage this time [$5k deductable]. From talking to the police it seems that is going on a lot around here. One church under construction in our area had 12 units demolished, replaced them, and lost the 12 again 2 days later. We have been trying to come up with good ways to make theft harder, but that is lots of $$ also. I'm thinking a large rattlesnake in each unit might do the trick. A couple of guys with a smoke wrench or a decent cutter can get into about anything. Too bad I don't have any use for 6 compressors . Is that sort of thing going on in the rest of the country also? My guess is that the thieves made @$600 on the scrap copper for all the damage they caused. Bummer. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 297k miles, and happy it is not made of copper. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think a nice fenced in area with razor wire and rabid Dobermans might work You just can't put a Beware of Dog sign up for you'd be admitting liability if someone broke in and got bitten. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:42:53 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves Timothy Robinson wrote: In years past I've actually camped out at a site just hoping to catch someone. If I did they'd probably wish that I'd call the police to rescue them. I own a vacant lot about 3 miles from where I currently live. I'd like to build a nice big workshop/office there, but the thought of having a truckload of building materials stolen or vandalized leaves me feeling just a bit homicidal. I can be dressed and on the scene in five minutes, so I'll probably rig up a cell phone alarm or two and have it call me. Probably get no sleep from the deer playing with my tripwires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC there was a large traffic jamming upgrade made to one of our usually clogged highways here in seattle. Took a few days to put down a few miles of copper stuff and buckle up the roadway. A few days latter some person decided to rent a digger machine and remove said copper, causing the state to once more block up traffic and install some more copper. Wish the idiots would go after live wires clay On 19 Dec 2007, at 15:59, Zach wrote: They just busted a recycle yard in Seattle not too long ago... Some undercover-police-types were selling material to the yard that was obviously not legit (street signs, etc) and then they busted them. Basically the same as a pawnshop that buys obviously stolen goods. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lock up the guys/recyclers buying the copper from the thieves for a long time and make them pay restitution to the victims. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Timothy Robinson wrote: Well, not long ago we caught a guy helping himself to a friend's sound system in a parking lot. We tackled the guy and held him while calling the police (informing them that we were holding the guy). An hour and half and second call later... Next time, when you make the second call, tell them there's no hurry, you had to shoot him and he's deceased. You'll have six cops in five minutes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A couple weeks ago a guy south of Houston popped a couple of sh**heads who had just burgled his neighbors' home (they were gone), carrying the loot, and coming into his yard. One had been deported already for drug offenses and came back, the other was another multiply-convicted felon, both from Brazil or somewhere, upstanding guest workers.. It comes out in the investigation that there was a plain clothes cop sitting on the street watching this all go down, having arrived when the guy called 911, but for some reason did not intervene. The neighbor remained on the 911 call while dealing with the perps, all on tape. Most observers (except for a local loudmouth named Quannell X of the New Black Panther Party and his posse) feel the neighbor did everyone a big favor, grand jury will rule in a couple weeks if he should be charged. (In Texas the new law seems to favor the neighbor, we will see.) I doubt any of this will deter the dumbass copper thieves (rampant around here, have hit a lot of churches lately) as they are too stupid to think about their occupational hazards. Just tonight on the news a scrap yard owner was arrested for dealing a bunch of stolen brass, still packaged. Duh. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Most don't understand the function of our police force. Their job is to follow up after the crime, not prevent the crime. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I remember in the 70s, gasoline shortage, the fuel lines... There were some kids who were stealing gas. The MOD was they would punch a hole in a gas tank and place a container underneath. When the container was filled, of course the remaining full spilled on the ground. They would then return to get the can of fuel. The Baptist church had a fleet of buses for their Children's Church Sunday routes. They'd been hit a few times. Some of the men in the church decided to have a stake-out. There was something ironic about a dozen men armed with shotguns and rifles keeping watch out of windows overlooking the bus parking lot. Not sure if they apprehended anyone but it all seemed very Christian. From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:48:53 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] copper thieves A couple weeks ago a guy south of Houston popped a couple of sh**heads who had just burgled his neighbors' home (they were gone), carrying the loot, and coming into his yard. One had been deported already for drug offenses and came back, the other was another multiply-convicted felon, both from Brazil or somewhere, upstanding guest workers.. It comes out in the investigation that there was a plain clothes cop sitting on the street watching this all go down, having arrived when the guy called 911, but for some reason did not intervene. The neighbor remained on the 911 call while dealing with the perps, all on tape. Most observers (except for a local loudmouth named Quannell X of the New Black Panther Party and his posse) feel the neighbor did everyone a big favor, grand jury will rule in a couple weeks if he should be charged. (In Texas the new law seems to favor the neighbor, we will see.) I doubt any of this will deter the dumbass copper thieves (rampant around here, have hit a lot of churches lately) as they are too stupid to think about their occupational hazards. Just tonight on the news a scrap yard owner was arrested for dealing a bunch of stolen brass, still packaged. Duh. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Most don't understand the function of our police force. Their job is to follow up after the crime, not prevent the crime. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
