Re: [MBZ] euro car question
Without having tested it, I'd say this is the truth coming out. And from the list curmudgeon, no less. Thank you Hendrik. I don't care what everybody says, you're OK at bottom. Cheers. -- Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:05:22 +1030 Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] euro car question I believe that the VIN for a MB destined for use outside of the US is different. As such I don't know what the US type VIN will tell but I know the normal VIN will tell what country the car was sold in originally. This is handy to determine if a car is grey market or not. This site will work for most VIN numbers http://www.mbclub.ru/mb/vin/?lng=eng or http://www.benzworld.org/modelguide.html? Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: > Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:57:12 -0600
"Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
Subject: [MBZ] euro car question
Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or
produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that
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Sometimes, but not always AFAIK, a particular model is associated with a
particular country, or
there is a version of a particular model associated with a particular
country.
For example, 123.223 is a rest of the world Mercededs model not sold by
Daimler Benz in the US.
There is a Japanese version of 123.223, a German version, a Swedish
version, a Swiss version, I
think an Austrian version, and maybe others. They differ in detail from
each other, most
outstandingly in the engine compression ratio, Which is 9:1 in the German
version and 8:1 in some
others, particularly the Japanese version. Engine power is 100 KW on 9:1
engines and IIRC 86 KW
on 8:1 engines.
There are versions of 123.223 with 14 in. wheels and versions with 15 in.
wheels for countries with
bad roads. Similar with hard and standard suspensions. There are air
cleaners for desert use. The
list of relatively minor variations that are dispositive of the intended
sale point of a car goes on and on.
This kind of information is in little almost pocket size books published by
Daimler Benz called "Technical
Data, Passenger Cars. I have a January 1983 edition, which is on point
for my car, an August 1983
manufactured 123.223 German version. It was deliveed at Stuttgart to a US
citizen who drove it around
Europe for a couple of years and then imported it tothe US. It was
federalized by some outfit in North
Carolina. If companies that federalize euro cars still exist, they should
know where a car came from.
The information is also buried in the Electronic Parts Catalog, which US
dealers have access to, but in
my experience generally pull a Sergeant Schultz ("I know nothing!! Nothing
at all !!) when asked about
euro parts.
I think that if you have the book or access to the EPC, you can most likely
identify what kind of euro
car you have. At least you can get close. You can also email Mercedes
Benz USA who can send
you the datat card that identifies the original equipment on the car and
the key codes. They clearly
know more, and may be able to tell where it was delivered originally..
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Re: [MBZ] euro car question
I believe that the VIN for a MB destined for use outside of the US is different. As such I don't know what the US type VIN will tell but I know the normal VIN will tell what country the car was sold in originally. This is handy to determine if a car is grey market or not. This site will work for most VIN numbers http://www.mbclub.ru/mb/vin/?lng=eng or http://www.benzworld.org/modelguide.html? Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: > Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or > produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
No, not exactly, just curious what country the car originally came from. For instance, I do know my latest euro car, the 84 300D, came from Germany because I found all the paperwork and letters back and forth from the person who bought it here and the person in Germany who shipped it over. Also was the german classifieds from whever they were looking for their car. Was very interesting. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] euro car question > "Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold >> in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? > > Guess you want something like a European Carfax report. Don't know > whether such a service exists. > > Allan > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
hmm, OK. Assume I can look that up on the euro epc which I have not installed yet? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "John M McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] euro car question > The build sheet based on the VIN does (kinda) > > my 83 -> Dealer Nato members sales (401) > my 92 300TDt -> Freiburg branch (236) > my 92 S -> Canada (701) > > > On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ((CAT)) wrote: > >> Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold >> in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? >> >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > John > 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1990's 300TDt 211k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
"Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold > in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? Guess you want something like a European Carfax report. Don't know whether such a service exists. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
The build sheet based on the VIN does (kinda) my 83 -> Dealer Nato members sales (401) my 92 300TDt -> Freiburg branch (236) my 92 S -> Canada (701) On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ((CAT)) wrote: > Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold > in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 211k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] euro car question
Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
