Re: [MBZ] Fleece Versus Paper Pleat?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I believe the fleece is 718/5x, that's what I always used in the S210:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mann-Filter-HU718-5X-Oil-Filter-/152617924626

Like Kaleb says, I change 0W40 synthetic and filter when the FSS tells me to. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Fleece Versus Paper Pleat?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I use fleece with fss system

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> On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So which is it?
> 
> I see there is a fleece filter for the E320 as well as a paper pleated 
> version.  What’s confusing to me is that it’s the same number, or appears to 
> be, with Mann.  Also, if you look up the MB number, it often shows up as a 
> Mann pleated filter:
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Benz-000-180-Engine-Filter/dp/B00DHQYZPU
> 
> ??
> 
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[MBZ] Fleece Versus Paper Pleat?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So which is it?

I see there is a fleece filter for the E320 as well as a paper pleated version. 
 What’s confusing to me is that it’s the same number, or appears to be, with 
Mann.  Also, if you look up the MB number, it often shows up as a Mann pleated 
filter:

https://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Benz-000-180-Engine-Filter/dp/B00DHQYZPU

??

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Re: [MBZ] fleece

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

dont think so
On 2/16/2013 6:51 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Are you saying there is a fleece filter for the M103? Never heard of one.

Dan

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..The fleece filter is not an issue for an M103 engine that I am aware
of. I use Mann or Hengst, whatever the Q supplies...

As I said, use of the fleece filter is part of the long interval change. I
also don't like 10K changes.

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] fleece

[Dan Penoff]

Are you saying there is a fleece filter for the M103? Never heard of one.

Dan

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On Feb 16, 2013, at 1:47 AM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

 ..The fleece filter is not an issue for an M103 engine that I am aware 
 of. I use Mann or Hengst, whatever the Q supplies...
 As I said, use of the fleece filter is part of the long interval change. I 
 also don't like 10K changes.
 
 RLE
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] fleece

[RELNGSON]

 ..The fleece filter is not an issue for an M103 engine that I am aware 
 of. I use Mann or Hengst, whatever the Q supplies...
 
As I said, use of the fleece filter is part of the long interval change. I 
also don't like 10K changes.

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[RELNGSON]

 With the Vee engines anyway, the fleece are the $15 filters that are 
 good for
 10,000 miles. The regular $10 filters I don't believe are supposed to run 
 all
 the way until the FSS tells you it's time for an oil change...
 
The fleece filters are required for extended oil changes whereas the paper 
versions (interchangeable) are for 5K changes. I had a few paper filters 
left over from my C320 which I used up in the C300 because I change it's M1 
0W40 at 5K anyway.

I buy my fleece filters at far less than $15.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[RELNGSON]

 Woger was saying that HIS new MB changes its own oil every 10 k
 miles.  He went on to say his MB put in new fleece filters when it
 changes its own oil.  Fleece is wool.  MB filters have no wool.  The
 MB filters are extended interval, just like the toilet paper filter
 sold years ago for use with or without amsoil.
 
 I was illustrating absurdity with absurdity, but humor is seldom
 clear in email...
 
Just a tiny clarification...

The term fleece in this application is the appearance of the filter 
material, visible from the filter's exterior. That term is used by MB, MBUSA 
and 
it's parts database and the dealers to differentiate the same size filter 
that used paper before the extended change idea came along, possibly from the 
sales department to decrease service costs compared to the competition. Such 
as BMW whose original warranty provides for all service including wear 
items (not tires) while it's in force.

Making any comparison with today's filtering technology vs TP filters is as 
you say, absurd.

Since my car will be due for an oil change in a week or so, I'm going to 
watching it closely to see if it really can change it's own oil and filter. I 
will be hiding my Topsider to make it tougher.

I say again, go to buymbparts.biz and look at the W204 oil filter kit to 
see the fleece filter.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[OK Don]

I thought I remembered that the ML has the :fleece filter:
http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=2001-Mercedes--benz-Ml3--0-Engine--Mechanicalyearid=2001%40%402001makeid=63%40%40Mercedes-Benzmodelid=6416%3AED|212%3AMBC|1583%40%40ML320catid=240154%40%40Engine+Mechanicalsubcatid=240348@@Oil+Filter+Kitmode=PD

*Oil Filter 
Kit*http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=yearid=2001@@2001makeid=63@@Mercedes%2DBenzmodelid=6416%3AED%7C212%3AMBC%7C1583@@ML320catid=240154@@Engine+Mechanicalsubcatid=240348@@Oil+Filter+Kitapplicationid=W0133-1632767@@Oil%20Filter%20Kitmode=PA
Notes: Fleece oil filter. Due to increased maintenance intervals,this filter
comes equipped with an advanced filter media that allows the increase of
service intervals with better filter efficiency, especially when using
synthetic oils. Optional with 000 180 31 09.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:16 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

  Woger was saying that HIS new MB changes its own oil every 10 k
  miles.  He went on to say his MB put in new fleece filters when it
  changes its own oil.  Fleece is wool.  MB filters have no wool.  The
  MB filters are extended interval, just like the toilet paper filter
  sold years ago for use with or without amsoil.
 
  I was illustrating absurdity with absurdity, but humor is seldom
  clear in email...
 
 Just a tiny clarification...

 The term fleece in this application is the appearance of the filter
 material, visible from the filter's exterior. That term is used by MB,
 MBUSA and
 it's parts database and the dealers to differentiate the same size filter
 that used paper before the extended change idea came along, possibly from
 the
 sales department to decrease service costs compared to the competition.
 Such
 as BMW whose original warranty provides for all service including wear
 items (not tires) while it's in force.

 Making any comparison with today's filtering technology vs TP filters is as
 you say, absurd.

 Since my car will be due for an oil change in a week or so, I'm going to
 watching it closely to see if it really can change it's own oil and filter.
 I
 will be hiding my Topsider to make it tougher.

 I say again, go to buymbparts.biz and look at the W204 oil filter kit to
 see the fleece filter.

 RLE



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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[Kevin Kraly]

I wonder if the fleecy type filtering medium would work in the older 
Diesels?  It would heed to hold a lot of soot.


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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[OK Don]

It's a much smaller cartridge - I don't know how it might fit in the
canister of a 60x. I could look as soon as I get another new one. (Who will
remend me about this time next year?)

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

 I wonder if the fleecy type filtering medium would work in the older
 Diesels?  It would heed to hold a lot of soot.

 Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon --

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Re: [MBZ] fleece humor, of a sort

[Jim Cathey]

No sheep are inconvenienced.  It may look like fleece
to some, but to my eye it looks more like cotton waste.
(AKA bum wadding.)

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Re: [MBZ] fleece-ish

[RELNGSON]

 ...No sheep are inconvenienced.  It may look like fleece
 to some, but to my eye it looks more like cotton waste.
 (AKA bum wadding.)..
 
It's some sort of polyester, perhaps shredded white leisure suits.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] fleece-ish

[Walt Zarnoch]

Poor Larry, whatever shall he wear...

Oddly that game is less graphic than modern ones for kids...

Walt

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:35 PM,  relng...@aol.com wrote:
 ...No sheep are inconvenienced.  It may look like fleece
 to some, but to my eye it looks more like cotton waste.
 (AKA bum wadding.)..

 It's some sort of polyester, perhaps shredded white leisure suits.

 RLE
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Re: [MBZ] fleece-ish

[Craig]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:35:36 EST relng...@aol.com wrote:

  ...No sheep are inconvenienced.  It may look like fleece
  to some, but to my eye it looks more like cotton waste.
  (AKA bum wadding.)..
  
 It's some sort of polyester, perhaps shredded white leisure suits.

So there is a use for all of them afterall!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[David Brodbeck]

Gary Hurst wrote:
 I wouldn't even
 consider 1500 mile oil changes to be overlkill for anyone wishing to keep
 their car alive for the long run.

I don't know.  Other people's oil analysis results have convinced me
that, for most engines, even on dino oil 3000 mile changes are overkill.
 There are exceptions -- engines with no filter, for example, and
engines run in really dusty conditions.

Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[OK Don]

Exactly - YOU have to analyze the oil in YOUR car, based on YOUR
driving habits. Don't take anyone else's experience as relevant to you
and your car. If you don't want to go to the trouble and expense of a
couple of oil analysis's, go by the factory recommended change
schedule. Of course, if you read carefully, they do make exceptions
for dusty conditions and towing, etc. - so you're still not certain
that you're doing the right thing without the analysis.



I don't know.  Other people's oil analysis results have convinced me
that, for most engines, even on dino oil 3000 mile changes are overkill.
 There are exceptions -- engines with no filter, for example, and
engines run in really dusty conditions.



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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[David Brodbeck]

OK Don wrote:
 Exactly - YOU have to analyze the oil in YOUR car, based on YOUR
 driving habits. Don't take anyone else's experience as relevant to you
 and your car. If you don't want to go to the trouble and expense of a
 couple of oil analysis's, go by the factory recommended change
 schedule. Of course, if you read carefully, they do make exceptions
 for dusty conditions and towing, etc. - so you're still not certain
 that you're doing the right thing without the analysis.

Agreed.  But has anyone ever come back with an analysis that showed it
would be beneficial to change the oil at 1500 miles?

Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[OK Don]

I don't remember hearing of any come back with less than 10k miles!
(Running Mobil 1).
I just remembered that Larry posts results on a web site so that you
can compare yours with others -- no financial interest, just a happy
customer.

http://members.rennlist.com/oil/test_results.htm



Agreed.  But has anyone ever come back with an analysis that showed it
would be beneficial to change the oil at 1500 miles?




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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[Gary Hurst]

no, just that the guys with the insane mileage and no problems do it

and the guys who change infrequently are the ones doing the engine repairs

i don't let science diminish the power of anectdote.


On 9/24/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


OK Don wrote:
 Exactly - YOU have to analyze the oil in YOUR car, based on YOUR
 driving habits. Don't take anyone else's experience as relevant to you
 and your car. If you don't want to go to the trouble and expense of a
 couple of oil analysis's, go by the factory recommended change
 schedule. Of course, if you read carefully, they do make exceptions
 for dusty conditions and towing, etc. - so you're still not certain
 that you're doing the right thing without the analysis.

Agreed.  But has anyone ever come back with an analysis that showed it
would be beneficial to change the oil at 1500 miles?


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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[David Brodbeck]

Gary Hurst wrote:
 i don't let science diminish the power of anectdote.

Anecdotes are nice that way.  You can come up with one to support any
position.

Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[Curt Raymond]

#1. I'm not sure I believe in a gas engine with a half million miles and no 
head work. Besides which how could you prove that?

#2. I used to believe in extra frequent oil changes but Marshall has convinced 
me. I've been up to 8,000 miles on my 190D before I wussed out. Marshall chided 
me as the oil really wasn't used up but the thing that concerned me at the time 
was the iron level which I attribute being high to the carbon burning out of 
the engine.

#3. I don't particularly like taking the time to change the oil even if it is 
only a little time on a Saturday morning I've got other stuff I could/should be 
doing. I drive enough where 3,000 mile oil changes would be every other month...

-Curt


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I saw an article on the worst drivers by State last week. Most were
clustered in the NE, though my fellow Okies managed to only score 35th
or so. This was based on the results of a test - of the rules, driving
habits, etc. I wonder if there are statistics available rating the
States on accidents per mile driven, or something similar.
I've also wondered if there are studies that correlate personal injury
per automobile brand, or something similar. Or, are our Mercedes
statistically as safe as we feel they are?

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 Its funny, all this time I've spent thinking MA was the worst place on earth 
 to drive and you guys are always working to dispel these ideas of mine.
 Heck I've driven in L.A. and thought it was NOTHING compared to Boston, at 
 least none of the streets are one way...
 So anyway I could count on one hand the number of times I got honked at 
 merging onto the highway with my 240D. I've never been honked at with my 190D 
 and the weekend I had my friend's 300SD it felt like I was driving a rocket!

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[Curt Raymond]

Oh hey, I didn't know that was there...


1935 Is me I think...

-Curt

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I don't remember hearing of any come back with less than 10k miles!
(Running Mobil 1).
I just remembered that Larry posts results on a web site so that you
can compare yours with others -- no financial interest, just a happy
customer.

http://members.rennlist.com/oil/test_results.htm


 Agreed.  But has anyone ever come back with an analysis that showed 
it
 would be beneficial to change the oil at 1500 miles?



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that's why you must use them carefully

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 Gary Hurst wrote:
  i don't let science diminish the power of anectdote.

 Anecdotes are nice that way.  You can come up with one to support any
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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[Gary Hurst]

On 9/24/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


#1. I'm not sure I believe in a gas engine with a half million miles and
no head work. Besides which how could you prove that?




i am counting strictly on the testimony of the owner.  i have no evidence
beyond that.

#2. I used to believe in extra frequent oil changes but Marshall has

convinced me. I've been up to 8,000 miles on my 190D before I wussed out.
Marshall chided me as the oil really wasn't used up but the thing that
concerned me at the time was the iron level which I attribute being high to
the carbon burning out of the engine.




marshall is a man of science.  you can be a man of faith and change your
oil.

#3. I don't particularly like taking the time to change the oil even if it

is only a little time on a Saturday morning I've got other stuff I
could/should be doing. I drive enough where 3,000 mile oil changes would be
every other month...




who does?

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[Gary Hurst]

yes, that has all long been my suspicion

but, again, as i believe in oil changes ,it doesn't bother me either way.  i
use whatever i have around that is of original design


On 9/24/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It's not fleece as in wool, it's cotton gin trash.

It is NOT anywhere near as good a filter material as proper wound cord
(for the bypass portion) or synthetic paper (for the full flow filter
portion).

Cheapness reigns!

Gin trash is actually finer filtering than most paper filters, but
also clogs faster, leading to unfiltered oil circulating around the
engine.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[RELNGSON]

Fleece filter? Standard equipment?

The dealers have been installing them for quite a while now but I suspect 
it's just for the later cars (since '88?) with FSS which could go 10K miles 
before an M1 change with the old paper cartridge filters.

 So, with a reformulated oil and fleece filters, 13K miles isn't much of a 
stretch. As I still have a stock of the old paper cartidges, I'm changing at 5K 
miles, admittedly overkill.

RLE/'01 C320 44K miles

Re: [MBZ] Fleece

[Gary Hurst]

dude, you'll never get me to call 5k overkill.

this whole fleece insanity makes me laugh.  fleece is like mill junk, loaded
with all sorts of garbage such as seeds and twigs.  paper is pretty obvious
and what most of us think of when we think of filters.  cut open a fleece
filter and a paper filter, nearly all of you would pick paper after taking a
look.

as i am not so brave as to consider running a car 13k miles on the same oil,
this debate is academic to me.  maybe mill junk is so vastly superior to
paper that only a fool would pick the latter.  I don't know and it doesn't
matter to me.

it's just funny how people can be so passionate and have no clue what they
are being passionate about.

just an aside, whenever we at bimby parts come across a very high mileage
gas engine with no troubles or repair history (for example, a nearly half
million mile 190E 2.3 that has never had the head off nor burn oil), the one
obvious common factor is very frequent oil changes.  I wouldn't even
consider 1500 mile oil changes to be overlkill for anyone wishing to keep
their car alive for the long run.


On 9/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Fleece filter? Standard equipment?

The dealers have been installing them for quite a while now but I suspect
it's just for the later cars (since '88?) with FSS which could go 10K
miles
before an M1 change with the old paper cartridge filters.

So, with a reformulated oil and fleece filters, 13K miles isn't much of a
stretch. As I still have a stock of the old paper cartidges, I'm changing
at 5K
miles, admittedly overkill.

RLE/'01 C320 44K miles
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