Roger,

I won't discuss aliens on this list, I don't think that helps Benz
camaraderie anyway.

However, I do think the other part of your question
On Mar 24, 2011 8:26 AM, <roger...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I would agree with your statement below, except that they are only
improving their situation by making our situation worse in the USA. Why
can't they take "courageous action" in Mexico or any of the other OTM
countries? I'm not a banned member, nor want to be. I was stating facts
about Georgia's illegal problems. My comments weren't to inflame.

Fair enough, I just suggest that the discussion as presented by the other
Roger didn't have much if any upside to MBZ, and political discussion that
does not affect cars is relegated to banned (though if Kaleb says I'm wrong
then maybe I will reply to Loren's trolling :).

However, I think your next question is marginally car-related:

> But while on the topic, how do you feel about people who break the law?
Should they get off with no punishment? Should we all start deciding which
laws we want to obey and which we don't?

I told not long ago about how I went 75 or 80 mph in my 240.  I live in the
city limits, and it is illegal to have a car that is unregistered, yet both
Volvos and the 240 expired before the junk man came.  It is illegal in my
county to put the dog out on a leash, but I do it anyway.  Last week I put
corrugated cardboard in the trash (it was oil-infused but that is still
against the law here).  If I get 'caught' doing one of these things I am
prepared to take my punishment, but that does not keep me from doing them.
Should you, whose job is not enforcing the division of recyclables in the
City of Durham, hold it against me evermore that my oil-soaked box got
pitched?  Do you feel okay letting me get off without punishment for my many
crimes?

This does not even get into the laws that are explicitly designed "subject
to the interpretation of the courts," nor laws that are still on the books
but have been overturned.

Away from home, it is illegal for Chinese people to complain about the
government, and in many countries being a Christian or... is illegal; street
demonstrations are outlawed almost everywhere.  In history, you have
American revolutionaries, Jews in ghettos, the Underground Railroad, a long
tradition of assassins...

That's why the old philosophers discussed "natural law" and why the
revolutionaries were so enamored with the concept.  I would say that merely
breaking a law does not make the person less human, nor even necessarily
less right, though it might be worthy of some personal reflection.

> The USA would really "go to hell in a hand basket" real quick if we all
decided that our law breaking actions were courageous and should be ok.

That is to say, the USA would never have been, and we would still be
subjects of the crown.

I remember a discussion with a German friend of ours about home schooling,
which at the time was (maybe still is?) illegal in Germany.  His feeling was
that, until someone was willing to go to jail for the right to home school,
the law would not be changed; but once someone -was- put in jail, the law
would be debated fairly.  Even at that he wasn't sure his opinion would win
out, but at least the conversation could happen.

-Tim
probably done

>
> >So while I would be inclined to support any human beings who take
courageous
> >action to bring themselves up out of an oppressive situation... You'll
have to engage me in banned. :)
>
> Best Wishes,
> Roger Hale
> Monroe, Ga.
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