Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
I wasn't smart enough to take the filter housing off before installing, so despite filling it i sloshed enough diesel out of the filter to kill the engine for a while. I'm not a smart man. I mean, who else would change filters at 10 F? On 2/23/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: John Berryman wrote: Might take more cranking but it will eventually start. It is best to load the filter though. That's the funny thing. When I did it with the SD, it fired immediately, then soon stumbled. I gave it throttle, and kept the revs up until the stumbling quit. It all took 30 seconds or less, not counting glow time. You started the engine on the fuel in the injection pump reservoir. The pump is pulling fuel into the empty main filter. That will result in engine stalling or at least rough running (if you hold the accelerator down). The duration of that running rough can be reduced by filling the new filter with clean diesel or Diesel Purge (or even ATF). OM61x engines are more troublesome than OM60x engines (unless you use the hand pump on the OM61x engine). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
OK Don wrote: Is this a case where cracking the lines at the injectors would let the fuel flow faster - prime faster, therefore start faster? Won't make a difference. If you loosened all of the glow plugs so the engine cranked REALLY fast, that would speed up the priming, but that's NOT really practical. Just run the engine to be sure the injection pump reservoir is full, then shut down pull the old filter and FILL the new filter. Then the engine will usually start quite quickly and while it may stumble a bit, it usually won't shut down if you hold the pedal down a bit. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
Mitch Haley wrote: John Berryman wrote: Might take more cranking but it will eventually start. It is best to load the filter though. That's the funny thing. When I did it with the SD, it fired immediately, then soon stumbled. I gave it throttle, and kept the revs up until the stumbling quit. It all took 30 seconds or less, not counting glow time. You started the engine on the fuel in the injection pump reservoir. The pump is pulling fuel into the empty main filter. That will result in engine stalling or at least rough running (if you hold the accelerator down). The duration of that running rough can be reduced by filling the new filter with clean diesel or Diesel Purge (or even ATF). OM61x engines are more troublesome than OM60x engines (unless you use the hand pump on the OM61x engine). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
Is this a case where cracking the lines at the injectors would let the fuel flow faster - prime faster, therefore start faster? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 09:28 PM, OK Don wrote: Is this a case where cracking the lines at the injectors would let the fuel flow faster - prime faster, therefore start faster? I don't think it would make too much of a difference. You'll still be cranking that volume of fuel through the lines and how much time does loosening all the injector lines save. Put a charger on the battery while you're doing the work to get a little more out of it. Its the 60X curse but it only happens when you run out of fuel or introduce air. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
When I changed the big filter in my 300SD, I did it with the engine warm, put nothing in the filter, restarted, and gave it enough throttle to hold 2000rpm until it cleared up. Would this work with the 60x engines, which supposedly self prime faster than the 617?
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: When I changed the big filter in my 300SD, I did it with the engine warm, put nothing in the filter, restarted, and gave it enough throttle to hold 2000rpm until it cleared up. Would this work with the 60x engines, which supposedly self prime faster than the 617? Might take more cranking but it will eventually start. It is best to load the filter though. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
John Berryman wrote: Might take more cranking but it will eventually start. It is best to load the filter though. That's the funny thing. When I did it with the SD, it fired immediately, then soon stumbled. I gave it throttle, and kept the revs up until the stumbling quit. It all took 30 seconds or less, not counting glow time.
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 11:18 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: That's the funny thing. When I did it with the SD, it fired immediately, then soon stumbled. I gave it throttle, and kept the revs up until the stumbling quit. It all took 30 seconds or less, not counting glow time. It can be that way, the lift pump moves a pretty high volume pretty fast, I've gotten lucky that way too. If there is a manual pump, I use it. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
no, the air will just be injected to the cylinder anyways. OK Don wrote: Is this a case where cracking the lines at the injectors would let the fuel flow faster - prime faster, therefore start faster? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] main fuel filter question
When I changed the main fuel filter on my 92 300D, I filled it as best I could, then crammed it into place and reattached everything. The maintenance manual said the system is self-priming. Then, when I went to start it, it died after about 3 seconds, then damn near drained the battery because I had to crank it for about a minute. Even had to jump start it with my other car. It finally started and hasn't been a problem since. Is this duration of cranking after a filter change normal? -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
Sunil, Yes, it's a scary-long-time to self-primepersonally I had no problem with the manual pumpat least they were a lkot easier to start after a filter change!! Wait until you run out of fuel one time! It takes even longer! Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: Is this duration of cranking after a filter change normal? -- Yes. I like to fill the filter, then take the old one off, then top-off the new one as sometimes they soak up a little fuel. It will take a good amount of cranking. The more fuel you get into the filter the less you have to crank. That's how the self bleeding system is. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
Sunil, That's about normal if you don't fill the new filter up before installing it. I made that mistake only once. Now I keep some cans of Diesel Purge handy, and fill the new filter with Purge before installing. Works like a charm. With a dry filter, the car will die after a few seconds and you'll likely kill the battery trying to get it primed re-started. You can fill it with fresh diesel also, or even pour the diesel from the old filter into the new one (via the 'dirty' side), although that's probably not the best thing to do, lol. =) -Dave M. -- Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:36:29 -0500 From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] main fuel filter question When I changed the main fuel filter on my 92 300D, I filled it as best I could, then crammed it into place and reattached everything. The maintenance manual said the system is self-priming. Then, when I went to start it, it died after about 3 seconds, then damn near drained the battery because I had to crank it for about a minute. Even had to jump start it with my other car. It finally started and hasn't been a problem since. Is this duration of cranking after a filter change normal? -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
Is my '85 190D also self priming? I've got the replacement filters, just waiting on a warm day... -Curt Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:51:16 -0500 From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: Is this duration of cranking after a filter change normal? -- Yes. I like to fill the filter, then take the old one off, then top-off the new one as sometimes they soak up a little fuel. It will take a good amount of cranking. The more fuel you get into the filter the less you have to crank. That's how the self bleeding system is. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 21 21:29:43 2006 Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.62]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBf4p-0001vU-9j for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:29:43 + Received: from user-10mt01r.cable.mindspring.com ([65.110.128.59] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FBf4o-0001x2-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:29:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:29:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clean Hands and Trim Questions X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:29:43 - On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 02:13 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: And take the trim off and replace them all? Bob Yup. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] main fuel filter question
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 04:26 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Is my '85 190D also self priming? I've got the replacement filters, just waiting on a warm day... -Curt Yes. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
