Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap
On 2021-08-14 02:01, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote: Dwight , look at Ebay #133422332696 #194274102364. The first listing looks like the long one in the picture, but the part number appears to match the short one. I hope nobody's selling UROs as NOS. https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/44152/Door-Check-Front-1237200516A/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap
Dwight , look at Ebay #133422332696 #194274102364. From: Dwight Giles Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 3:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com ; Ronald Courcy Subject: Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap Thanks I looked on eBay yesterday & couldn't find as o did before. Will look again. CHOWDAHQ 14 on Sept. 11. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:28 AM Ronald Courcy via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on ebay right now for less than $120 delivered. From: Mercedes mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com>> on behalf of mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com> mailto:mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 10:07 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 189, Issue 67 Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com> You can reach the person managing the list at mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 123 part search (Dwight Giles) 2. Re: 123 part search (Curt Raymond) 3. 1991 190E 2.3L - 86k miles - $9,750 (Allan Streib) 4. If you don't have the money don't call - 2008 GL450 - 201k miles - $6,990 (Allan Streib) 5. Re: 123 part search (Dimitri Seretakis) 6. Re: Roof Rack Idea Old Benzes (Dimitri Seretakis) 7. Re: 1991 190E 2.3L - 86k miles - $9,750 (Rick Knoble) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 20:41:38 -0400 From: Dwight Giles mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com>> To: Mercedes Discussion List mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 part search Message-ID: mailto:6qkf0ltl87cdoczhmbkxsf%2bwdu...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes. Gotta love the classic Center. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 7:29 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > Perfect example of MB stepping up and building new parts that were > previously NLA. > > And they say MB doesn?t care?. > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 6:07 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > > Yes rare. Classic center said they just remade some. It is for a friend > of > > mine. Mine was changed when I bought it. > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > Wickford RI > > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 5:56 PM dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com> via > > Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > > > > I did some digging and only came up with the OE part. You can find it > at > > a > > > number of the RevParts sellers for under $250.00, but I don?t see any > > > alternatives. > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > If it?s any consolation they?re trading on eBay for upwards of $350 for > > > the uninitiated. > > > > > > I would say to bite the bullet and buy an OE one and move on. I?m > > > surprised they?re still available considering the relatively small > > > application base. > > > > > > -D > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am looking for a door stop/check strap for a 123 coupe. They are > > > > different from sedan and wagon. MB Classic has one for 250.00. (ouch) > > > > Yesterday I found a URO one for much cheaper but I can't find it > today. > > > > Parts # is 123 720 03 16. Strap length is 114mm while sedan is 100mm. > > > > Does Anybody have a good used one or know of a source? I have tried > all > > > the > > > > major sources. > > > > TIA > > > > Dwight > > > > > > > > Dwight E. Giles Jr. > > > > 1982 300CD > > > > 2005 E320 4matic > > > > Wickfo
Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap
Thanks I looked on eBay yesterday & couldn't find as o did before. Will look again. CHOWDAHQ 14 on Sept. 11. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:28 AM Ronald Courcy via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on ebay > right now for less than $120 delivered. > > From: Mercedes on behalf of > mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 10:07 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 189, Issue 67 > > Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: 123 part search (Dwight Giles) >2. Re: 123 part search (Curt Raymond) >3. 1991 190E 2.3L - 86k miles - $9,750 (Allan Streib) >4. If you don't have the money don't call - 2008 GL450 - 201k > miles - $6,990 (Allan Streib) >5. Re: 123 part search (Dimitri Seretakis) >6. Re: Roof Rack Idea Old Benzes (Dimitri Seretakis) >7. Re: 1991 190E 2.3L - 86k miles - $9,750 (Rick Knoble) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 20:41:38 -0400 > From: Dwight Giles > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 part search > Message-ID: > 6qkf0ltl87cdoczhmbkxsf+wdu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Yes. Gotta love the classic Center. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 7:29 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Perfect example of MB stepping up and building new parts that were > > previously NLA. > > > > And they say MB doesn?t care?. > > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 6:07 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Yes rare. Classic center said they just remade some. It is for a friend > > of > > > mine. Mine was changed when I bought it. > > > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > > Wickford RI > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 5:56 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I did some digging and only came up with the OE part. You can find it > > at > > > a > > > > number of the RevParts sellers for under $250.00, but I don?t see any > > > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > > > If it?s any consolation they?re trading on eBay for upwards of $350 > for > > > > the uninitiated. > > > > > > > > I would say to bite the bullet and buy an OE one and move on. I?m > > > > surprised they?re still available considering the relatively small > > > > application base. > > > > > > > > -D > > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for a door stop/check strap for a 123 coupe. They are > > > > > different from sedan and wagon. MB Classic has one for 250.00. > (ouch) > > > > > Yesterday I found a URO one for much cheaper but I can't find it > > today. > > > > > Parts # is 123 720 03 16. Strap length is 114mm while sedan is > 100mm. > > > > > Does Anybody have a good used one or know of a source? I have tried > > all > > > > the > > > > > major sources. > > > > > TIA > > > > > Dwight > > > > > > > > > > Dwight E. Giles Jr. > > > > > 1982 300CD > > > > > 2005 E320 4matic > > > > > Wickford RI > > > > > ___ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > Jaime Kopchinski > > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >
Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap
MY rusty old 300TD (79) door check straps responded nicely to cleaning and new grease, at least for the stamped version. Several of the cast metal style actually broke from metal fatigue (technically damage accumulation). -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Mitch Haley via Mercedes Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 11:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap Now you're talking. Buy NOS and replace the grease with some manufactured in this century. Mitch. On 2021-08-13 10:26, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote: > FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on > ebay right now for less than $120 delivered. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap
I would highly advise anyone buying a replacement door check that they grease it liberally with a high quality grease (I use the pink Mobil1 stuff) before installing it. -D > On Aug 13, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Now you're talking. > Buy NOS and replace the grease with some manufactured in this century. > Mitch. > >> On 2021-08-13 10:26, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote: >> FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on >> ebay right now for less than $120 delivered. >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap
Now you're talking. Buy NOS and replace the grease with some manufactured in this century. Mitch. On 2021-08-13 10:26, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote: FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on ebay right now for less than $120 delivered. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap
Probably the URO products at that price point. -D > On Aug 13, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes > wrote: > > FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on ebay > right now for less than $120 delivered. > > From: Mercedes on behalf of > mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 10:07 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 189, Issue 67 > > Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to >mercedes@okiebenz.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at >mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 123 part search (Dwight Giles) > 2. Re: 123 part search (Curt Raymond) > 3. 1991 190E 2.3L - 86k miles - $9,750 (Allan Streib) > 4. If you don't have the money don't call - 2008 GL450 - 201k > miles - $6,990 (Allan Streib) > 5. Re: 123 part search (Dimitri Seretakis) > 6. Re: Roof Rack Idea Old Benzes (Dimitri Seretakis) > 7. Re: 1991 190E 2.3L - 86k miles - $9,750 (Rick Knoble) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 20:41:38 -0400 > From: Dwight Giles > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 part search > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Yes. Gotta love the classic Center. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 7:29 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Perfect example of MB stepping up and building new parts that were >> previously NLA. >> >> And they say MB doesn?t care?. >> >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 6:07 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes rare. Classic center said they just remade some. It is for a friend >> of >>> mine. Mine was changed when I bought it. >>> >>> Dwight Giles Jr. >>> Wickford RI >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 5:56 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> I did some digging and only came up with the OE part. You can find it >> at >>> a number of the RevParts sellers for under $250.00, but I don?t see any alternatives. Sorry. If it?s any consolation they?re trading on eBay for upwards of $350 for the uninitiated. I would say to bite the bullet and buy an OE one and move on. I?m surprised they?re still available considering the relatively small application base. -D > On Aug 12, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I am looking for a door stop/check strap for a 123 coupe. They are > different from sedan and wagon. MB Classic has one for 250.00. (ouch) > Yesterday I found a URO one for much cheaper but I can't find it >> today. > Parts # is 123 720 03 16. Strap length is 114mm while sedan is 100mm. > Does Anybody have a good used one or know of a source? I have tried >> all the > major sources. > TIA > Dwight > > Dwight E. Giles Jr. > 1982 300CD > 2005 E320 4matic > Wickford RI > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >> Jaime Kopchinski >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 00:43:23 + (UTC) > From: Curt Raymond > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 part search > Message-ID: <832030786.105787.1628815403...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >
Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap
FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on ebay right now for less than $120 delivered. From: Mercedes on behalf of mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 10:07 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 189, Issue 67 Send Mercedes mailing list submissions to mercedes@okiebenz.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com You can reach the person managing the list at mercedes-ow...@okiebenz.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mercedes digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 123 part search (Dwight Giles) 2. Re: 123 part search (Curt Raymond) 3. 1991 190E 2.3L - 86k miles - $9,750 (Allan Streib) 4. If you don't have the money don't call - 2008 GL450 - 201k miles - $6,990 (Allan Streib) 5. Re: 123 part search (Dimitri Seretakis) 6. Re: Roof Rack Idea Old Benzes (Dimitri Seretakis) 7. Re: 1991 190E 2.3L - 86k miles - $9,750 (Rick Knoble) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 20:41:38 -0400 From: Dwight Giles To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 part search Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes. Gotta love the classic Center. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 7:29 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Perfect example of MB stepping up and building new parts that were > previously NLA. > > And they say MB doesn?t care?. > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 6:07 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Yes rare. Classic center said they just remade some. It is for a friend > of > > mine. Mine was changed when I bought it. > > > > Dwight Giles Jr. > > Wickford RI > > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 5:56 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > I did some digging and only came up with the OE part. You can find it > at > > a > > > number of the RevParts sellers for under $250.00, but I don?t see any > > > alternatives. > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > If it?s any consolation they?re trading on eBay for upwards of $350 for > > > the uninitiated. > > > > > > I would say to bite the bullet and buy an OE one and move on. I?m > > > surprised they?re still available considering the relatively small > > > application base. > > > > > > -D > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am looking for a door stop/check strap for a 123 coupe. They are > > > > different from sedan and wagon. MB Classic has one for 250.00. (ouch) > > > > Yesterday I found a URO one for much cheaper but I can't find it > today. > > > > Parts # is 123 720 03 16. Strap length is 114mm while sedan is 100mm. > > > > Does Anybody have a good used one or know of a source? I have tried > all > > > the > > > > major sources. > > > > TIA > > > > Dwight > > > > > > > > Dwight E. Giles Jr. > > > > 1982 300CD > > > > 2005 E320 4matic > > > > Wickford RI > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 00:43:23 + (UTC) From: Curt Raymond To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 part search Message-ID: <832030786.105787.1628815403...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 14mm is about half an inch although I don't suppose the precise length matters all that much. Somebody that was good with a welder should be able to cut a sedan version and add half an inch of strap steel. A TIG welder would
Re: [MBZ] W123 door check strap rebuild
Greg wrote: The only tricky part is keeping the return spring compressed during assembly. Jim Cathey wrote: I stepped on mine, I think I had an appropriate piece of wood under it. On the topic of trick compression... Jim, I recall you have rebuilt the door check assemblies. I got one apart just fine but am not having much success getting the spring compressed with the steel balls on the ends and slide back into the track. Any tricks you're willing to share? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 door check strap rebuild
Jim, I recall you have rebuilt the door check assemblies. I got one apart just fine but am not having much success getting the spring compressed with the steel balls on the ends and slide back into the track. That's hard to do. I seem to recall I've done a couple of things. Once I used a pipe clamp (woodworking) to compress the balls, then drove the strap out of the clamp's jaws and into the slider. (I think you have to bend the stop out of the way first.) I seem to recall that I've also slipped them in the track sideways, then drove the one side down with a drift and a hammer, with the strap's body held in a vise, thus compressing the balls into the spring. Do this stuff in a small, clean room! That way you can find the BB's again when they launch! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
