Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
The valet key does not have a center groove. Master key does, I believe is the deal. -D > On Jan 19, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Done, works. A small victory, and now we know that 124 locks are very > serviceable. There were several wafers that proud of the tumbler, worked > from highest to lowest, retrying with each wafer, until it finally worked. > Still a little notchy, if I have to take it apart again I just may try to > source some new wafers. > > Some of the wafers were whole, like the 201 wafers in the link, but some > were split in half, so each half could be differently keyed (different > number wafer). Not sure what that is all about, maybe the valet key has > some difference that takes advantage of that. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
Done, works. A small victory, and now we know that 124 locks are very serviceable. There were several wafers that proud of the tumbler, worked from highest to lowest, retrying with each wafer, until it finally worked. Still a little notchy, if I have to take it apart again I just may try to source some new wafers. Some of the wafers were whole, like the 201 wafers in the link, but some were split in half, so each half could be differently keyed (different number wafer). Not sure what that is all about, maybe the valet key has some difference that takes advantage of that. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
No joy after clean and reassemble, something deeper. I'm filing down some of the high wafers now, trying to get it right. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 12:19 PM Meade Dillon wrote: > Thanks Curt for your input, I'm getting there slowly but surely. > > 201 lock is different from 124 lock. After I looked at it and thought > about it a bit, it struck me that MB would not design a lock that can only > be assembled but not easily taken apart, and so the two blind pins were not > the place to start but the single pin on the tang. Removed that single > pin, tang came off, and sure enough the tumbler was able to come out. > > That was a few hours ago now. > > I have carefully taken the tumbler out, removed all the wafers and > springs, recording a map with the wafer numbers as I go. Cleaned the > tumbler and the cylinder with brake cleaner then compressed air. Using an > old t-shirt and Boeshield T9 as cleaner / lube I cleaned up each wafter and > some of the springs. Managed to break the end off one spring - not good, > but I think the remaining piece may do the trick. > > I'm in the process of putting it back together, stopping for lunch now. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 9:45 AM Curt Raymond wrote: > >> A blind hole is one with only one opening. He suggests you just have to >> drive out a couple roll pins, doesn't sound like that big a deal. >> >> Those work almost exactly the same as the side cut key locks, take all >> the little wafers out making sure you keep them in order, clean each hole >> with whatever it takes, a needle file will probably help. Clean each wafer >> until it shines. Reassemble with plenty of lube, I didn't find Houdini to >> work well for that, I like just dry graphite but you might have to use >> something else if you have an alarm. >> >> Once you've got it all clean and reassembled if it doesn't work well you >> can use a file and sandpaper to shave down the outside of the wafers to get >> a perfect fit. Make sure you test with multiple keys, its easy to get a >> lock working with an old key so it won't with a new one. >> >> -Curt >> >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
Thanks Curt for your input, I'm getting there slowly but surely. 201 lock is different from 124 lock. After I looked at it and thought about it a bit, it struck me that MB would not design a lock that can only be assembled but not easily taken apart, and so the two blind pins were not the place to start but the single pin on the tang. Removed that single pin, tang came off, and sure enough the tumbler was able to come out. That was a few hours ago now. I have carefully taken the tumbler out, removed all the wafers and springs, recording a map with the wafer numbers as I go. Cleaned the tumbler and the cylinder with brake cleaner then compressed air. Using an old t-shirt and Boeshield T9 as cleaner / lube I cleaned up each wafter and some of the springs. Managed to break the end off one spring - not good, but I think the remaining piece may do the trick. I'm in the process of putting it back together, stopping for lunch now. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 9:45 AM Curt Raymond wrote: > A blind hole is one with only one opening. He suggests you just have to > drive out a couple roll pins, doesn't sound like that big a deal. > > Those work almost exactly the same as the side cut key locks, take all the > little wafers out making sure you keep them in order, clean each hole with > whatever it takes, a needle file will probably help. Clean each wafer until > it shines. Reassemble with plenty of lube, I didn't find Houdini to work > well for that, I like just dry graphite but you might have to use something > else if you have an alarm. > > Once you've got it all clean and reassembled if it doesn't work well you > can use a file and sandpaper to shave down the outside of the wafers to get > a perfect fit. Make sure you test with multiple keys, its easy to get a > lock working with an old key so it won't with a new one. > > -Curt > > On Saturday, January 19, 2019, 9:18:37 AM EST, Meade Dillon < > dillonm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Found this online for a 201 car, might be "close enough". Looks like I > need to remove the two pins that are in blind holes. Oh joy. > > > https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes%20Locks/Door%20Lock/190%20Door%20Locks.html > > Hmmm, that link looks ugly, maybe this will work? > > https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes_Locks/Door_Lock/190_Door_Locks.html > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:57 AM Meade Dillon wrote: > > FSM Procedure 72-240: Well the lock / tumbler assembly is very easy to get > out of the door: on the back edge of the door, remove cover over little > hole, insert 3mm hex and turn out (CCW) hex screw four turns. Insert key, > turn to unlock (CW) direction, push lock / tumbler toward rear of car and > pull out. Easy peasy, takes me longer to get the tools out than to pop > that lock / tumbler out. > > Washed it out well with brake cleaner, then with Houdini Lock Lube, no > change. Lots of black juice ran out, I kept going until it was fairly > clear, but nope. > > It looks like there is a pin at the end of the assembly that can be > removed, which then allows a piece and a spring and then a cir-clip to come > off, and then just maybe the tumbler will come out of its housing. There > are two more pins inserted into blind holes, I guess I'd have to grind the > housing off on the blind side to be able to drive those out, but I'm not > sure what that would gain me unless my first guess about removing the > tumbler is wrong. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 7:07 AM Meade Dillon wrote: > > I'm going to remove old tumbler, flush it out really well and lubricate, > and see if that clears the problem. > > New thought; if re-key of the driver's side tumbler is not possible, > perhaps I can swap the passenger side to driver's side. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
A blind hole is one with only one opening. He suggests you just have to drive out a couple roll pins, doesn't sound like that big a deal. Those work almost exactly the same as the side cut key locks, take all the little wafers out making sure you keep them in order, clean each hole with whatever it takes, a needle file will probably help. Clean each wafer until it shines. Reassemble with plenty of lube, I didn't find Houdini to work well for that, I like just dry graphite but you might have to use something else if you have an alarm. Once you've got it all clean and reassembled if it doesn't work well you can use a file and sandpaper to shave down the outside of the wafers to get a perfect fit. Make sure you test with multiple keys, its easy to get a lock working with an old key so it won't with a new one. -Curt On Saturday, January 19, 2019, 9:18:37 AM EST, Meade Dillon wrote: Found this online for a 201 car, might be "close enough". Looks like I need to remove the two pins that are in blind holes. Oh joy. https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes%20Locks/Door%20Lock/190%20Door%20Locks.html Hmmm, that link looks ugly, maybe this will work? https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes_Locks/Door_Lock/190_Door_Locks.html - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:57 AM Meade Dillon wrote: FSM Procedure 72-240: Well the lock / tumbler assembly is very easy to get out of the door: on the back edge of the door, remove cover over little hole, insert 3mm hex and turn out (CCW) hex screw four turns. Insert key, turn to unlock (CW) direction, push lock / tumbler toward rear of car and pull out. Easy peasy, takes me longer to get the tools out than to pop that lock / tumbler out. Washed it out well with brake cleaner, then with Houdini Lock Lube, no change. Lots of black juice ran out, I kept going until it was fairly clear, but nope. It looks like there is a pin at the end of the assembly that can be removed, which then allows a piece and a spring and then a cir-clip to come off, and then just maybe the tumbler will come out of its housing. There are two more pins inserted into blind holes, I guess I'd have to grind the housing off on the blind side to be able to drive those out, but I'm not sure what that would gain me unless my first guess about removing the tumbler is wrong. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 7:07 AM Meade Dillon wrote: I'm going to remove old tumbler, flush it out really well and lubricate, and see if that clears the problem. New thought; if re-key of the driver's side tumbler is not possible, perhaps I can swap the passenger side to driver's side. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
I don't know why both wouldn't work. Locks are pretty simple devices. I have an idea how the side cut locks work I've just never opened one up. In retrospect before I junked the '85 190D I should have pulled the locks out... -Curt On Saturday, January 19, 2019, 7:08:05 AM EST, Meade Dillon wrote: I'm going to remove old tumbler, flush it out really well and lubricate, and see if that clears the problem. New thought; if re-key of the driver's side tumbler is not possible, perhaps I can swap the passenger side to driver's side. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:08 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I've never opened a side cut lock, never had to, never had one that doesn't work. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:42 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote: Max. I think Curt has some experience with shuffling the wards in MB locks. Fred. On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 10:15 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I re-keyed a W123 ignition once... > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
Found this online for a 201 car, might be "close enough". Looks like I need to remove the two pins that are in blind holes. Oh joy. https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes%20Locks/Door%20Lock/190%20Door%20Locks.html Hmmm, that link looks ugly, maybe this will work? https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes_Locks/Door_Lock/190_Door_Locks.html - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 8:57 AM Meade Dillon wrote: > FSM Procedure 72-240: Well the lock / tumbler assembly is very easy to get > out of the door: on the back edge of the door, remove cover over little > hole, insert 3mm hex and turn out (CCW) hex screw four turns. Insert key, > turn to unlock (CW) direction, push lock / tumbler toward rear of car and > pull out. Easy peasy, takes me longer to get the tools out than to pop > that lock / tumbler out. > > Washed it out well with brake cleaner, then with Houdini Lock Lube, no > change. Lots of black juice ran out, I kept going until it was fairly > clear, but nope. > > It looks like there is a pin at the end of the assembly that can be > removed, which then allows a piece and a spring and then a cir-clip to come > off, and then just maybe the tumbler will come out of its housing. There > are two more pins inserted into blind holes, I guess I'd have to grind the > housing off on the blind side to be able to drive those out, but I'm not > sure what that would gain me unless my first guess about removing the > tumbler is wrong. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 7:07 AM Meade Dillon wrote: > >> I'm going to remove old tumbler, flush it out really well and lubricate, >> and see if that clears the problem. >> >> New thought; if re-key of the driver's side tumbler is not possible, >> perhaps I can swap the passenger side to driver's side. >> >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
FSM Procedure 72-240: Well the lock / tumbler assembly is very easy to get out of the door: on the back edge of the door, remove cover over little hole, insert 3mm hex and turn out (CCW) hex screw four turns. Insert key, turn to unlock (CW) direction, push lock / tumbler toward rear of car and pull out. Easy peasy, takes me longer to get the tools out than to pop that lock / tumbler out. Washed it out well with brake cleaner, then with Houdini Lock Lube, no change. Lots of black juice ran out, I kept going until it was fairly clear, but nope. It looks like there is a pin at the end of the assembly that can be removed, which then allows a piece and a spring and then a cir-clip to come off, and then just maybe the tumbler will come out of its housing. There are two more pins inserted into blind holes, I guess I'd have to grind the housing off on the blind side to be able to drive those out, but I'm not sure what that would gain me unless my first guess about removing the tumbler is wrong. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 7:07 AM Meade Dillon wrote: > I'm going to remove old tumbler, flush it out really well and lubricate, > and see if that clears the problem. > > New thought; if re-key of the driver's side tumbler is not possible, > perhaps I can swap the passenger side to driver's side. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
I'm going to remove old tumbler, flush it out really well and lubricate, and see if that clears the problem. New thought; if re-key of the driver's side tumbler is not possible, perhaps I can swap the passenger side to driver's side. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:08 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've never opened a side cut lock, never had to, never had one that > doesn't work. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:42 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes< > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Max. > I think Curt has some experience with shuffling the wards in MB locks. > Fred. > > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 10:15 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I re-keyed a W123 ignition once... > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
I've never opened a side cut lock, never had to, never had one that doesn't work. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:42 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote: Max. I think Curt has some experience with shuffling the wards in MB locks. Fred. On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 10:15 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I re-keyed a W123 ignition once... > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
Me too, easy peasy. 3rd gen Jetta is almost exactly the same. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 10:15 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: I re-keyed a W123 ignition once... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
Mitch - yes I have complete locks with keys, but I haven't tried to take anything apart yet. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 10:14 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Do you have the cylinders/wafers from the different car? > > Mitch. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
Max. I think Curt has some experience with shuffling the wards in MB locks. Fred. On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 10:15 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I re-keyed a W123 ignition once... > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
I re-keyed a W123 ignition once... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Door lock re-key
> On January 18, 2019 at 9:54 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Yesterday I accidentally tried to unlock the driver's side door of The > White Whale (1987 300TD) with the key for a different 124. > > Has anyone tried to DIY re-key a 124 door lock? I've got a complete set of > door locks from a different car to experiment on. Do you have the cylinders/wafers from the different car? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
