Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Wilton Strickland]

'Sounds like Kleb needs to make a trip with a multi-car hauler, or have some
competition.  ;<)

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s


> There is this auto repair place nearby, always busy.  Has a yard with
> some junkers, and more better cars parked in back.  I see some fairly
> nice looking older Benzes there, have been there for awhile.  I stopped
> to talk to the owner, ask if they are parts cars, customer cars, cars
> for sale, or what.  He says sorta some of all the above.  So I go
> looking around, there is a very nice 350SD (not SDL) there parked in
> back.  Then a 300D with so-so dk blue paint and a very nice dk blue
> interior, looked pretty good.  Then out in the boneyard is a 115 300D,
> paint faded badly but body/chrome in very good condition, all the bits
> there (incl some extra lights in front -- fogs?) interior ratty.  And an
> SEL.  So I go in to ask about these cars.
>
> 350SD has a blown head gasket, AC needs a bit of freon once a year,
> customer did not want to pay to have it fixed so there it sits.  Ask him
> how much he would take for it (it is a VERY nice looking car).  He says
> a $1000 would be a fair price.  I ask him about the rodbender engine, he
> claims not to know about that, but this one starts and runs well other
> than the cooling system gets pressurized.   Hm.  I have never seen
> just the SD, it is just like the one I just bought, but much much
> nicer.   H.
>
> He says the guy who has the 300D wants $1500 for it, which seemed fairly
> reasonable, and there was another Benz there, a 126? SEL I think that
> sorta ran but was in half decent shape, said he would sell both as a
> pkg, not that I want them but the SEL could be a good parts car I guess.
>
> He says the 115 was running fine but the blower resistor overheated and
> caught fire, burned under the dash or something, guy didn't want to fool
> with it, so it got parked in the boneyard but has not been stripped or
> anything.  He was gonna find out what the owner might take for it, if
> anyone is interested in that car it looked pretty solid but nasty paint
> and interior but mostly very nice chrome and other bits.  I figure it
> for crusher cost+a bit maybe.
>
> So, anyway, if anyone has any interest...
>
> I am thinking about this 350SD.  It was very clean, silver with the
> light gray interior, looked well-taken care of (there are some people
> around here with lots of Benzes and money, some very nice cars).  Didn't
> check the miles.  Assuming it is just the head gasket and not a cracked
> head (is that a problem on these cars?  could it be the head not the
> gasket?), that wouldn't be much problem to fix, right?  And if it is
> running half well, drive it till the rodbender starts to act up, or even
> do a pre-emptive rod job now?  I vaguely recall some discussion of that
> procedure -- how hard would that be?  I am thinking that for $800 (if I
> beat on the guy a bit) or $1000 and some parts and a bit of time, a very
> nice car could be running.
>
> What say y'all?
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Jim Cathey]

He says the 115 was running fine but the blower resistor overheated 
and caught fire, burned under the dash or something,


The blower resistor pack is inside the air intake plenum, under
the grille.  The connector on the firewall goes to it.  Nothing
there to catch fire except the resistor pack itself, which is
metal, and its plastic connector.  And the cable over to the
blower motor, of course!

Unless, of course, that it was something else and _was_ under
the dash.  That could be a mess.

thinking that for $800 (if I beat on the guy a bit) or $1000 and some 
parts and a bit of time, a very nice car could be running.


That could be OK.  It's all about price and effort.  But that
kind of territory, if the car is otherwise nice and you realistically
could put it right enough to drive (you should see my to-be-done pile!)
then you can have a pretty nice ride for not so much that way.

I thought the cracking head problem had been dealt with by
the rodbender era, so the chances of a cracked head are down
to 'normal'.  Unless it got overheated at all.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Peter Frederick]

Overheating will kill any OM603 head.  More likely a dead head gasket  
-- they only last about 200,000 miles,


Peter

On Mar 6, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

He says the 115 was running fine but the blower resistor  
overheated and caught fire, burned under the dash or something,


The blower resistor pack is inside the air intake plenum, under
the grille.  The connector on the firewall goes to it.  Nothing
there to catch fire except the resistor pack itself, which is
metal, and its plastic connector.  And the cable over to the
blower motor, of course!

Unless, of course, that it was something else and _was_ under
the dash.  That could be a mess.

thinking that for $800 (if I beat on the guy a bit) or $1000 and  
some parts and a bit of time, a very nice car could be running.


That could be OK.  It's all about price and effort.  But that
kind of territory, if the car is otherwise nice and you realistically
could put it right enough to drive (you should see my to-be-done  
pile!)

then you can have a pretty nice ride for not so much that way.

I thought the cracking head problem had been dealt with by
the rodbender era, so the chances of a cracked head are down
to 'normal'.  Unless it got overheated at all.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Rich Thomas]

Thanks for that info.  I have a large TODO pile too, and wifey is not 
real tolerant of more additions to the 6 on site.  She loves the new 
300SD, this 350SD is much much nicer even, I'm wondering if I could 
tempt her  This thing is tempting for a Kleb kind of price.  Even if 
the 350 goes bad, I'm guessing a 300turbo would fit in there well (and I 
have a Chevy 350 lump and tranny that would be a 350 swap!) so that 
could be a fallback.


I have no interest in the 115, was wondering if anyone else might want a 
straight southern body/chrome bits (I was surprised at how good it all 
looked) with a ratty interior and whatever that dash "fire" issue was, 
but supposedly runs OK.  It could be a neat car with some work (wouldn't 
they all!).  Maybe the fire was the blower motor itself -- I have not 
paid much attention to the discussion on these cars -- maybe the motor 
itself fried?  Maybe for a couple $100...


Or I could start Okie acres in SC

--R

Jim Cathey wrote:
He says the 115 was running fine but the blower resistor overheated 
and caught fire, burned under the dash or something,


The blower resistor pack is inside the air intake plenum, under
the grille.  The connector on the firewall goes to it.  Nothing
there to catch fire except the resistor pack itself, which is
metal, and its plastic connector.  And the cable over to the
blower motor, of course!

Unless, of course, that it was something else and _was_ under
the dash.  That could be a mess.

thinking that for $800 (if I beat on the guy a bit) or $1000 and some 
parts and a bit of time, a very nice car could be running.


That could be OK.  It's all about price and effort.  But that
kind of territory, if the car is otherwise nice and you realistically
could put it right enough to drive (you should see my to-be-done pile!)
then you can have a pretty nice ride for not so much that way.

I thought the cracking head problem had been dealt with by
the rodbender era, so the chances of a cracked head are down
to 'normal'.  Unless it got overheated at all.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Wilton Strickland]

An SC Okie acres - my thought, too.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s


> Thanks for that info.  I have a large TODO pile too, and wifey is not 
> real tolerant of more additions to the 6 on site.  She loves the new 
> 300SD, this 350SD is much much nicer even, I'm wondering if I could 
> tempt her  This thing is tempting for a Kleb kind of price.  Even if 
> the 350 goes bad, I'm guessing a 300turbo would fit in there well (and I 
> have a Chevy 350 lump and tranny that would be a 350 swap!) so that 
> could be a fallback.
> 
> I have no interest in the 115, was wondering if anyone else might want a 
> straight southern body/chrome bits (I was surprised at how good it all 
> looked) with a ratty interior and whatever that dash "fire" issue was, 
> but supposedly runs OK.  It could be a neat car with some work (wouldn't 
> they all!).  Maybe the fire was the blower motor itself -- I have not 
> paid much attention to the discussion on these cars -- maybe the motor 
> itself fried?  Maybe for a couple $100...
> 
> Or I could start Okie acres in SC
> 
> --R
> 
> Jim Cathey wrote:
> >> He says the 115 was running fine but the blower resistor overheated 
> >> and caught fire, burned under the dash or something,
> >
> > The blower resistor pack is inside the air intake plenum, under
> > the grille.  The connector on the firewall goes to it.  Nothing
> > there to catch fire except the resistor pack itself, which is
> > metal, and its plastic connector.  And the cable over to the
> > blower motor, of course!
> >
> > Unless, of course, that it was something else and _was_ under
> > the dash.  That could be a mess.
> >
> >> thinking that for $800 (if I beat on the guy a bit) or $1000 and some 
> >> parts and a bit of time, a very nice car could be running.
> >
> > That could be OK.  It's all about price and effort.  But that
> > kind of territory, if the car is otherwise nice and you realistically
> > could put it right enough to drive (you should see my to-be-done pile!)
> > then you can have a pretty nice ride for not so much that way.
> >
> > I thought the cracking head problem had been dealt with by
> > the rodbender era, so the chances of a cracked head are down
> > to 'normal'.  Unless it got overheated at all.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

where are you/said cars located?

Rich Thomas wrote:
There is this auto repair place nearby, always busy.  Has a yard with 
some junkers, and more better cars parked in back.  I see some fairly 
nice looking older Benzes there, have been there for awhile.  I stopped 
to talk to the owner, ask if they are parts cars, customer cars, cars 
for sale, or what.  He says sorta some of all the above.  So I go 
looking around, there is a very nice 350SD (not SDL) there parked in 
back.  Then a 300D with so-so dk blue paint and a very nice dk blue 
interior, looked pretty good.  Then out in the boneyard is a 115 300D, 
paint faded badly but body/chrome in very good condition, all the bits 
there (incl some extra lights in front -- fogs?) interior ratty.  And an 
SEL.  So I go in to ask about these cars.


350SD has a blown head gasket, AC needs a bit of freon once a year, 
customer did not want to pay to have it fixed so there it sits.  Ask him 
how much he would take for it (it is a VERY nice looking car).  He says 
a $1000 would be a fair price.  I ask him about the rodbender engine, he 
claims not to know about that, but this one starts and runs well other 
than the cooling system gets pressurized.   Hm.  I have never seen 
just the SD, it is just like the one I just bought, but much much 
nicer.   H.


He says the guy who has the 300D wants $1500 for it, which seemed fairly 
reasonable, and there was another Benz there, a 126? SEL I think that 
sorta ran but was in half decent shape, said he would sell both as a 
pkg, not that I want them but the SEL could be a good parts car I guess.


He says the 115 was running fine but the blower resistor overheated and 
caught fire, burned under the dash or something, guy didn't want to fool 
with it, so it got parked in the boneyard but has not been stripped or 
anything.  He was gonna find out what the owner might take for it, if 
anyone is interested in that car it looked pretty solid but nasty paint 
and interior but mostly very nice chrome and other bits.  I figure it 
for crusher cost+a bit maybe.


So, anyway, if anyone has any interest...

I am thinking about this 350SD.  It was very clean, silver with the 
light gray interior, looked well-taken care of (there are some people 
around here with lots of Benzes and money, some very nice cars).  Didn't 
check the miles.  Assuming it is just the head gasket and not a cracked 
head (is that a problem on these cars?  could it be the head not the 
gasket?), that wouldn't be much problem to fix, right?  And if it is 
running half well, drive it till the rodbender starts to act up, or even 
do a pre-emptive rod job now?  I vaguely recall some discussion of that 
procedure -- how hard would that be?  I am thinking that for $800 (if I 
beat on the guy a bit) or $1000 and some parts and a bit of time, a very 
nice car could be running.


What say y'all?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Luther]

DOWN BOY!

Luther

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
where are you/said cars located? 

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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Tom Savage]

Rich Thomas wrote:
Thanks for that info.  I have a large TODO pile too, and wifey is not 
real tolerant of more additions to the 6 on site.  She loves the new 
300SD, this 350SD is much much nicer even, I'm wondering if I could 
tempt her  This thing is tempting for a Kleb kind of price.  Even if 
the 350 goes bad, I'm guessing a 300turbo would fit in there well (and I 
have a Chevy 350 lump and tranny that would be a 350 swap!) so that 
could be a fallback.


A good-engine 350SD would be a very nice car.  Only 2,000 built; the 
only 126 rarer than that is the 560SE with 1,251 built.


For $800, it is hard to go wrong.  Even if it isn't worth messing with 
engine-wise, the '90/'91 interior, trim, wheels, and whatnot will make 
for a wonderful upgrade to the '84, which will make the wife happy, and 
then you'll have a bunch of parts to sell for well over the $800 you 
paid for it.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Rich Thomas]

Near Charleston SC

--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

where are you/said cars located?

Rich Thomas wrote:
There is this auto repair place nearby, always busy.  Has a yard with 
some junkers, and more better cars parked in back.  I see some fairly 
nice looking older Benzes there, have been there for awhile.  I 
stopped to talk to the owner, ask if they are parts cars, customer 
cars, cars for sale, or what.  He says sorta some of all the above.  
So I go looking around, there is a very nice 350SD (not SDL) there 
parked in back.  Then a 300D with so-so dk blue paint and a very nice 
dk blue interior, looked pretty good.  Then out in the boneyard is a 
115 300D, paint faded badly but body/chrome in very good condition, 
all the bits there (incl some extra lights in front -- fogs?) 
interior ratty.  And an SEL.  So I go in to ask about these cars.


350SD has a blown head gasket, AC needs a bit of freon once a year, 
customer did not want to pay to have it fixed so there it sits.  Ask 
him how much he would take for it (it is a VERY nice looking car).  
He says a $1000 would be a fair price.  I ask him about the rodbender 
engine, he claims not to know about that, but this one starts and 
runs well other than the cooling system gets pressurized.   Hm.  
I have never seen just the SD, it is just like the one I just bought, 
but much much nicer.   H.


He says the guy who has the 300D wants $1500 for it, which seemed 
fairly reasonable, and there was another Benz there, a 126? SEL I 
think that sorta ran but was in half decent shape, said he would sell 
both as a pkg, not that I want them but the SEL could be a good parts 
car I guess.


He says the 115 was running fine but the blower resistor overheated 
and caught fire, burned under the dash or something, guy didn't want 
to fool with it, so it got parked in the boneyard but has not been 
stripped or anything.  He was gonna find out what the owner might 
take for it, if anyone is interested in that car it looked pretty 
solid but nasty paint and interior but mostly very nice chrome and 
other bits.  I figure it for crusher cost+a bit maybe.


So, anyway, if anyone has any interest...

I am thinking about this 350SD.  It was very clean, silver with the 
light gray interior, looked well-taken care of (there are some people 
around here with lots of Benzes and money, some very nice cars).  
Didn't check the miles.  Assuming it is just the head gasket and not 
a cracked head (is that a problem on these cars?  could it be the 
head not the gasket?), that wouldn't be much problem to fix, right?  
And if it is running half well, drive it till the rodbender starts to 
act up, or even do a pre-emptive rod job now?  I vaguely recall some 
discussion of that procedure -- how hard would that be?  I am 
thinking that for $800 (if I beat on the guy a bit) or $1000 and some 
parts and a bit of time, a very nice car could be running.


What say y'all?

--R

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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[E M]

Tell me more about these 560 SE's please ??  Were these all Euro spec cars?


Ed
300E

2009/3/7 Tom Savage 

> Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that info.  I have a large TODO pile too, and wifey is not real
>> tolerant of more additions to the 6 on site.  She loves the new 300SD, this
>> 350SD is much much nicer even, I'm wondering if I could tempt her  This
>> thing is tempting for a Kleb kind of price.  Even if the 350 goes bad, I'm
>> guessing a 300turbo would fit in there well (and I have a Chevy 350 lump and
>> tranny that would be a 350 swap!) so that could be a fallback.
>>
>
> A good-engine 350SD would be a very nice car.  Only 2,000 built; the only
> 126 rarer than that is the 560SE with 1,251 built.
>
> For $800, it is hard to go wrong.  Even if it isn't worth messing with
> engine-wise, the '90/'91 interior, trim, wheels, and whatnot will make for a
> wonderful upgrade to the '84, which will make the wife happy, and then
> you'll have a bunch of parts to sell for well over the $800 you paid for it.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Mitch Haley]

E M wrote:

Tell me more about these 560 SE's please ??  Were these all Euro spec cars?


I think the 560 was a US spec engine, and they would be called 500 SE elsewhere.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[E M]

I've heard of a number of 500 SE cars, never heard of a short wheelbase 560
though.  I know they were never offered in Canada, not sure about other
countries though?

Ed
300E

2009/3/7 Mitch Haley 

> E M wrote:
>
>> Tell me more about these 560 SE's please ??  Were these all Euro spec
>> cars?
>>
>
> I think the 560 was a US spec engine, and they would be called 500 SE
> elsewhere.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Tom Savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:

I think the 560 was a US spec engine, and they would be called 500 SE 
elsewhere.


560SL was only for the US and Australia, but the 126 coupe and LWB sedan 
got the 5.6 in Europe and elsewhere from 1985-1991 (SE was 1988-1990). 
The 5.0 was also available elsewhere alongside the 5.6 until the end of 
production in 1991.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

way too far

Rich Thomas wrote:

Near Charleston SC

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 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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