Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Donald Snook]

Alex wrote: "I really think that's low, unless every person trying to sell one 
on CL is totally deluded.  (Not impossible!)  Google "e320 cabriolet 
site:craigslist.org"---the great majority of ads seem to be asking around 
$15,000."

I agree.  They are getting premium prices for these cars, because there just 
aren't many of them around and a lot of people who bought them realize they are 
special.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> There is also a BEAUTIFUL 95 E320 Sedan that is blue with the really cool
> dark tan (?) interior.  It is much darker than the tan/cream that you see in a
> lot of 124s.  But, it is lighter than the brown interior.  I don't know what 
> they
> call it, but I like it.

I know exactly what you mean---I don't know the official M-B name for
it, but other manufacturers call it "saddle":
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1602369367.html
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd/1610448992.html

I love it too!  If I had my way, the majority of cars I own would be
British Racing Green with saddle leather.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Donald Snook]

Alex wrote: "I forgot to say that if it's green or blue, with tan or brown 
leather and a tan top, I want to buy it if you don't!"

It's black with the black interior. But, I will keep my eye out for the blue or 
green ones.  There is a white one here in town that is white with a tan 
interior.

There is also a BEAUTIFUL 95 E320 Sedan that is blue with the really cool dark 
tan (?) interior.  It is much darker than the tan/cream that you see in a lot 
of 124s.  But, it is lighter than the brown interior.  I don't know what they 
call it, but I like it. This Sedan E320 only has 82,000 miles. I really want it!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Wow-but then rarity has its price.

Dwight 
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Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> A 94 300CE cab-same 124 body-sold at the Owls Head ME auction this summer
> for 11k.


I just remembered to check up on that W116 wagon from last month. $23,000,
wow.
http://search.ebay.com/270521820113

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
yes,  most are based on reported sales by stealers.  I don't know if 
they intentionally misreport or if it is just stupididity, but many MB 
prices are off.


I wonder if convertible sales are too low to get a good sampling, so they just 
add a little to the coupe prices (which might be based on sedan prices).


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Dieselhead]

yes,  most are based on reported sales by stealers.  I don't know if 
they intentionally misreport or if it is just stupididity, but many 
MB prices are off.


In the 70s the NADA book continually showed you could buy a 3-5 year 
old 220 or 240D for under $2000.  I kept thelling the insurance 
adjusters to go out and buy all those cars they could find and I 
would sell them for $4000.  Nobody ever produced a $2000 220D.




On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

 Asking price and selling price are often quite different...


Of course.


Edmunds and
 the like base their prices on actual title transfers.


So they claim.  I still think the numbers Mitch gave are off by a
factor of two at least.  There have been many other examples of the
blue books getting it wrong on special-interest cars.

If I'm wrong, then I want in on some of that $5,000 E320 Cab action.
I'll buy three or four, stuff them in a warehouse, then be sitting
pretty in about 20 years when they are worth $50,000 apiece.  ;)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> Asking price and selling price are often quite different...

Of course.

>Edmunds and
> the like base their prices on actual title transfers.

So they claim.  I still think the numbers Mitch gave are off by a
factor of two at least.  There have been many other examples of the
blue books getting it wrong on special-interest cars.

If I'm wrong, then I want in on some of that $5,000 E320 Cab action.
I'll buy three or four, stuff them in a warehouse, then be sitting
pretty in about 20 years when they are worth $50,000 apiece.  ;)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Mitch Haley]

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

A 94 300CE cab-same 124 body-sold at the Owls Head ME auction this summer
for 11k.



I just remembered to check up on that W116 wagon from last month. $23,000, wow.
http://search.ebay.com/270521820113

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

A 94 300CE cab-same 124 body-sold at the Owls Head ME auction this summer
for 11k.
The stealers here list them over twenty sometimes-not unusual to see the
95's for 15k or so around here-what 2 or 3 have been on market in last
couple years.
Lust in my heart even though it is not diesel.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>  His dad has a 1995 E320 Convertible.  It is in very nice shape.  I am not
positive about
> the miles.  He is the original owner and this is just a third car they
keep around.

I smell another arbitrage opportunity for you, Donald.  Sounds like
they're unlikely to know what the car is worth nor how collectible it
is.  The 124 convertible is the modern equivalent of the W111
cabriolet ('68-'71? 280SE).  If prices I see on CL and eBay are any
indication, the car should sell for anywhere from twice to ten times
the price of a plain ol' 6-cylinder 124 sedan of the same year--i.e.
$10,000 on up.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Allan Streib]

Alex Chamberlain  writes:

> I really think that's low, unless every person trying to sell one on
> CL is totally deluded.  (Not impossible!)  Google "e320 cabriolet
> site:craigslist.org"---the great majority of ads seem to be asking
> around $15,000.

Asking price and selling price are often quite different... Edmunds and
the like base their prices on actual title transfers.  On the other
hand, it's not unusual for the price to be understated on those
documents, to avoid some of the sales tax.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> I just checked Edmunds.com.
> I asked for a quote on one with 125k, clean condition.
> Came up with 4,000 trade, $7000 retail, $5000 private party, including a
> $400 premium for low mileage on a 15 year old car.
>

I really think that's low, unless every person trying to sell one on
CL is totally deluded.  (Not impossible!)  Google "e320 cabriolet
site:craigslist.org"---the great majority of ads seem to be asking
around $15,000.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:


Boy, I hope they don't think it is worth that much!


I just checked Edmunds.com.
I asked for a quote on one with 125k, clean condition.
Came up with 4,000 trade, $7000 retail, $5000 private party, including a $400 
premium for low mileage on a 15 year old car.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Donald Snook]

Alex wrote: "I smell another arbitrage opportunity for you, Donald.  Sounds 
like they're unlikely to know what the car is worth nor how collectible it is.  
The 124 convertible is the modern equivalent of the W111 cabriolet ('68-'71? 
280SE).  If prices I see on CL and eBay are any indication, the car should sell 
for anywhere from twice to ten times the price of a plain ol' 6-cylinder 124 
sedan of the same year--i.e. $10,000 on up."

Boy, I hope they don't think it is worth that much!  I was hoping to pay no 
more than $7500 and only that much if it has low miles.  You are right, these 
cars are getting very pricey and they are hard to find.  There is one for sale 
here in town for $20K and its got 90K miles.  Well, I will keep bugging him 
about the car.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:
>  If prices I see on CL and eBay are any
> indication, the car should sell for anywhere from twice to ten times
> the price of a plain ol' 6-cylinder 124 sedan of the same year--i.e.
> $10,000 on up.

I forgot to say that if it's green or blue, with tan or brown leather
and a tan top, I want to buy it if you don't!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>  His dad has a 1995 E320 Convertible.  It is in very nice shape.  I am not 
> positive about
> the miles.  He is the original owner and this is just a third car they keep 
> around.

I smell another arbitrage opportunity for you, Donald.  Sounds like
they're unlikely to know what the car is worth nor how collectible it
is.  The 124 convertible is the modern equivalent of the W111
cabriolet ('68-'71? 280SE).  If prices I see on CL and eBay are any
indication, the car should sell for anywhere from twice to ten times
the price of a plain ol' 6-cylinder 124 sedan of the same year--i.e.
$10,000 on up.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[E M]

Sounds like the kinda guy who might fix things as they come up.  It's old
enough, I would imagine a number of things have already been addressed on
it.  I think they're great looking cars too.  Years ago when I was in the
club, and guy sold a mint mint mint SL280 to buy a new E320 convertible at
the time.  I think a few here had some sportline option or something.  I
remember one guy had a coupe, which I think had a 23 valve head or
something, different suspension and seats, etc.  I think the standard M104
is a 16 valve engine ?

Anyway, if you really want it, keep bugging him, or reminding him you would
like first chance to buy it should he ever decide to sell.  I've got a few
cars that way.  For me, it's preferable to see something you really like,
and offer to buy it, than trying to sort through all the for sale junk out
there with the hope you'll find one you like.

Good luck.

Ed
300E

On 21 February 2010 14:43, Donald Snook  wrote:

> My Neighbor has a crappy old truck that seems to break down all the time,
> but he loves it.  He is pretty young and plays in a band and he can afford
> to do that because his Father is a local cardiologist who bought him the
> house and loans him his extra car whenever the truck breaks down.
>
> Here's the point of the story.  His dad has a 1995 E320 Convertible.  It is
> in very nice shape.  I am not positive about the miles.  He is the original
> owner and this is just a third car they keep around.  I have been bugging
> him to sell it to me because I think the 95 E320 is the best looking of all
> modern Mercedes convertibles.  But, I don't know that much about them.
>
> This has the more powerful and better 6 cylinder engine, correct?  Is it
> the M104? Does it still have head gasket and valve seal problems like the
> 103?  I know 95 is a prime year for the wiring harness problem, but was it
> used on the convertible?
>
> What other issues do these cars have?
>
> Evap?
>
> Anything I can look at in particular?
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Convertible

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, it has the 104, yes, they still have head gasket leaks, yes it has 
wiring harness problems, yes it can have evap problems


Donald Snook wrote:

My Neighbor has a crappy old truck that seems to break down all the time, but 
he loves it.  He is pretty young and plays in a band and he can afford to do 
that because his Father is a local cardiologist who bought him the house and 
loans him his extra car whenever the truck breaks down.

Here's the point of the story.  His dad has a 1995 E320 Convertible.  It is in 
very nice shape.  I am not positive about the miles.  He is the original owner 
and this is just a third car they keep around.  I have been bugging him to sell 
it to me because I think the 95 E320 is the best looking of all modern Mercedes 
convertibles.  But, I don't know that much about them.

This has the more powerful and better 6 cylinder engine, correct?  Is it the 
M104? Does it still have head gasket and valve seal problems like the 103?  I 
know 95 is a prime year for the wiring harness problem, but was it used on the 
convertible?

What other issues do these cars have?

Evap?

Anything I can look at in particular?

Donald H. Snook

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