Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
According to the MB spec sheets there are no additives required. Why would ASD need an additive? There are no clutches in the differential, everything is done through the braking system. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Second. Check to see if your car requires an additive to the differential, my '95 does for the ASD. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:53:02 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Something else I almost forgot - any recommendations for gear oil (differential) as far as brands? Mobil1, which is what I use. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
Dan, your thinking of ASR. Max's E300 has ASD (limited slip/auto locking diff) which does require special fluid. ASD was available on early'90s diesel some 46cyl gas models (201/202/124?) here in the US. What model W140 do you have? On 3/11/2013 7:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: According to the MB spec sheets there are no additives required. Why would ASD need an additive? There are no clutches in the differential, everything is done through the braking system. Dan -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
I have a 1995 S500 coupe, which has ASR, I believe. I'm going to have to check now Too many acronyms. Dan On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com wrote: Dan, your thinking of ASR. Max's E300 has ASD (limited slip/auto locking diff) which does require special fluid. ASD was available on early'90s diesel some 46cyl gas models (201/202/124?) here in the US. What model W140 do you have? On 3/11/2013 7:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: According to the MB spec sheets there are no additives required. Why would ASD need an additive? There are no clutches in the differential, everything is done through the braking system. Dan -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
The maintenance sheet for that job should tell you if any additive is required, or if the job is described in the FSM. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have a 1995 S500 coupe, which has ASR, I believe. I'm going to have to check now Too many acronyms. Dan On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com wrote: Dan, your thinking of ASR. Max's E300 has ASD (limited slip/auto locking diff) which does require special fluid. ASD was available on early'90s diesel some 46cyl gas models (201/202/124?) here in the US. What model W140 do you have? On 3/11/2013 7:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: According to the MB spec sheets there are no additives required. Why would ASD need an additive? There are no clutches in the differential, everything is done through the braking system. Dan -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
ASD has clutches for locking the differential, hydraulically activated when ABS computer tells the ASD computer that rear axle is turning faster than front wheels. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: According to the MB spec sheets there are no additives required. Why would ASD need an additive? There are no clutches in the differential, everything is done through the braking system. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Second. Check to see if your car requires an additive to the differential, my '95 does for the ASD. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:53:02 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Something else I almost forgot - any recommendations for gear oil (differential) as far as brands? Mobil1, which is what I use. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
Yes it has asr Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I have a 1995 S500 coupe, which has ASR, I believe. I'm going to have to check now Too many acronyms. Dan On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com wrote: Dan, your thinking of ASR. Max's E300 has ASD (limited slip/auto locking diff) which does require special fluid. ASD was available on early'90s diesel some 46cyl gas models (201/202/124?) here in the US. What model W140 do you have? On 3/11/2013 7:13 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: According to the MB spec sheets there are no additives required. Why would ASD need an additive? There are no clutches in the differential, everything is done through the braking system. Dan -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question - ASR vs ETS
I should have noted before (in case anyone is unfamiliar with the system), that ASR (Anti-Slip Regulation) also limits power to the engine as well as using the brakes to control wheel spin, depending on vehicle speed degree of traction loss. The ETS (Electronic Traction Support) system that superseded or replaced ASD (Auto Locking Differential) on models which had it previously available, is the system that used only brake intervention. -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: Something else I almost forgot - any recommendations for gear oil (differential) as far as brands? Mobil1, which is what I use. Seems I recall some complaints about certain diffs getting noisy with M1 gear oil. I've had it in my 300D for several years and not noticed any change. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
I haven't used DOT 3 for at least 30 years now. Use DOT 4, and I suspect it's what you need anyway since you have disk brakes. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
No!!! DOT 4. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Brake fluid. DOT 3 for my W140, correct? I have a couple of the sheets with the various specifications for fluids, etc., but none are old enough to cover my car. Some do have references to older model years, but not all. Just want to be sure before I do some brake fluid flushing this week Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
Thanks, guys. I could never remember which one was correct. I was thinking the the later fluid (DOT 4) would actually damage some brake system components if used in a car that required DOT 3. Something else to add to the shopping list Dan On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:47 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: No!!! DOT 4. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Brake fluid. DOT 3 for my W140, correct? I have a couple of the sheets with the various specifications for fluids, etc., but none are old enough to cover my car. Some do have references to older model years, but not all. Just want to be sure before I do some brake fluid flushing this week Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
Something else I almost forgot - any recommendations for gear oil (differential) as far as brands? Dan On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Thanks, guys. I could never remember which one was correct. I was thinking the the later fluid (DOT 4) would actually damage some brake system components if used in a car that required DOT 3. Something else to add to the shopping list Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:53:02 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Something else I almost forgot - any recommendations for gear oil (differential) as far as brands? Mobil1, which is what I use. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
Dan Penoff wrote: Brake fluid. DOT 3 for my W140, correct? On W123's, DOT3 will cause the hoses to swell. So I suspect the answer is no DOT3 - but I don't know. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
As far as I know, DOT 3 and DOT 4 are compatible with the main difference being that DOT 4 has a higher boiling point. So you should be able to use DOT 4 in any vehicle that calls for DOT 3 (although the cost is slightly higher). DOT 5 is NOT compatible and at minimum requires a complete flush. Allan Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: Thanks, guys. I could never remember which one was correct. I was thinking the the later fluid (DOT 4) would actually damage some brake system components if used in a car that required DOT 3. Something else to add to the shopping list Dan On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:47 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: No!!! DOT 4. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Brake fluid. DOT 3 for my W140, correct? I have a couple of the sheets with the various specifications for fluids, etc., but none are old enough to cover my car. Some do have references to older model years, but not all. Just want to be sure before I do some brake fluid flushing this week Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
Second. Check to see if your car requires an additive to the differential, my '95 does for the ASD. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:53:02 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Something else I almost forgot - any recommendations for gear oil (differential) as far as brands? Mobil1, which is what I use. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
NO DOT 3 in ANY Mercedes Benz EVER! DOT 4 only! unless you change to DOT 5 with appropriate flushes. I generally don't allow the DOT 3 junk on the premises. DOT 3 will MELT YOUR PISTONS and DESTROY YOUR BRAKE SYSTEMS! (bow to Marshall) Dan Penoff wrote: Brake fluid. DOT 3 for my W140, correct? On W123's, DOT3 will cause the hoses to swell. So I suspect the answer is no DOT3 - but I don't know. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
No dot 4 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Brake fluid. DOT 3 for my W140, correct? I have a couple of the sheets with the various specifications for fluids, etc., but none are old enough to cover my car. Some do have references to older model years, but not all. Just want to be sure before I do some brake fluid flushing this week Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another Fluid Question
Dan Penoff wrote: Brake fluid. DOT 3 for my W140, correct? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: No dot 4 Kaleb, do you mean No[, use] dot 4 or do you mean No dot 4 [allowed in your car] -- Philip, trying not to be confused ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
