Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[ernest breakfield]

exactly; the dog has trained its owners well.

sadly, most dog training problems are the result of a poorly 
trained owner. true Separation Anxiety issues can be a bitch (heh) to 
deal with, but it sounds like this couple could benefit from the 
services of a qualified behaviorist. in lieu of that, maybe you could 
order them a couple of videos from Leerburg or some such place,..?



cheers!
e


On 09/Jun/13 15:54, WILTON wrote:

'Sounds like the dog has learned how to get treats, too - bark.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" 


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Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


Well, my neighbors certainly are not deaf, but they have an 
overactive  German Shepard who is quite convinced she needs to bark 
at EVERY ONE  who moves in her sight.  They ascribe it to separation 
anxiety (pup  was taken from her mother before being properly weaned) 
and poor socialization before they got her.


Whatever the reason, they do call her off and do what they can to 
keep  her from barking so much.  I don't mind, specifically because I 
know  they are doing their best to train her not to make so much noise.


The fun part of this is that she will shut up, sit, and beg for 
treats, but start barking again as soon as she's gobbled them down.   
Quite funny.  She is also wagging her tail full blast while barking   
up a storm, so I suspect she's just attempting to assert dominance 
and  protect her people (which is fine, I don't plan to go into the 
yard  while she's out, I don't trust the tail, so to speak).


Now, if they let her bark herself silly and didn't say or do 
anything,  that would be a different story.  Nice people, I can 
tolerate an over- protective dog for a few years compared to a nice 
dog and wretched  people.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

I don't plan to be doing any of that stuff.

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners



On 10/06/2013 8:36 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim



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And, if you stay out of sight, reasonably safe to do.

If you fire up the electronic stuff, even though it is on your own 
property, you may invite one of the gun toting thugs (that you gun 
proponants worry about) over for a visit if it happens to his dog and he 
is near enough to be aware of it.
I also think you will find there are laws against traps and that there 
might be law enforcement types visiting you too, if someone's child 
strays onto your property and manages to get shocked.


In this day and age, with everyone packing a camera of some sort, you 
don't want to be seen doing anything that might give rise to charges or 
a nice civil suit.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Beware the wrath of the dog loving lobby.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 10/06/2013 8:36 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>> There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
>> level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
>> its best.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> __**_
>>
>
> And, if you stay out of sight, reasonably safe to do.
>
> If you fire up the electronic stuff, even though it is on your own
> property, you may invite one of the gun toting thugs (that you gun
> proponants worry about) over for a visit if it happens to his dog and he is
> near enough to be aware of it.
> I also think you will find there are laws against traps and that there
> might be law enforcement types visiting you too, if someone's child strays
> onto your property and manages to get shocked.
>
> In this day and age, with everyone packing a camera of some sort, you
> don't want to be seen doing anything that might give rise to charges or a
> nice civil suit.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Randy Bennell]

On 10/06/2013 8:36 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim



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And, if you stay out of sight, reasonably safe to do.

If you fire up the electronic stuff, even though it is on your own 
property, you may invite one of the gun toting thugs (that you gun 
proponants worry about) over for a visit if it happens to his dog and he 
is near enough to be aware of it.
I also think you will find there are laws against traps and that there 
might be law enforcement types visiting you too, if someone's child 
strays onto your property and manages to get shocked.


In this day and age, with everyone packing a camera of some sort, you 
don't want to be seen doing anything that might give rise to charges or 
a nice civil suit.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

Yep, that's a goodun, too.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners



There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:

There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.


Wonder how the cops would handle the 'crazy man shot my dog in his yard' call?
(probably like any other 'man with gun' complaint)
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Jim Cathey]

There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

Very quiet night last night - no barking at all.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


It means they have anxiety and want to be with their people.  Dogs are 
very social and need that interaction.


--R

On 6/9/13 6:59 PM, WILTON wrote:
the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is something else. 



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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Rich Thomas]

It means they have anxiety and want to be with their people.  Dogs are 
very social and need that interaction.


--R

On 6/9/13 6:59 PM, WILTON wrote:
the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is something else. 



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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

All sound like pretty good ideas, but, alas, I'm not likely to do any of 
'em.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners



Craig wrote:


You want the kind that put out continuous AC, not periodic pulses, so
whenever the dog makes a connection he will get a jolt.


Those were called 'weed burners'. If you string wire in the shrubs it'll 
pull the voltage down too far, not to mention put significant wattage into 
the plants.
Dad had one. When he got lazy and threw hay bales over the fence instead 
of carrying them into the pasture, the cattle shoved hay into the wire and 
started a fire.
The capacitor discharge ones can still shock with a moderate amount of 
plant material touching them. The ones we had all fired once per second, 
which should be frequent enough to do the trick.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Mitch Haley]

Craig wrote:


You want the kind that put out continuous AC, not periodic pulses, so
whenever the dog makes a connection he will get a jolt.


Those were called 'weed burners'. If you string wire in the shrubs it'll pull 
the voltage down too far, not to mention put significant wattage into the plants.
Dad had one. When he got lazy and threw hay bales over the fence instead of 
carrying them into the pasture, the cattle shoved hay into the wire and started 
a fire.
The capacitor discharge ones can still shock with a moderate amount of plant 
material touching them. The ones we had all fired once per second, which should 
be frequent enough to do the trick.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Craig]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 23:50:48 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> WILTON wrote:
> > I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain
> > big dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all of
> > the shrubs across the front of the house.  
> 
> A thin strand of wire and a cheap fence charger will cure that.
> http://youtu.be/-wDzICw13ps

You want the kind that put out continuous AC, not periodic pulses, so
whenever the dog makes a connection he will get a jolt.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain big 
dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all of the 
shrubs across the front of the house.  


A thin strand of wire and a cheap fence charger will cure that.
http://youtu.be/-wDzICw13ps

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Dieselhead]

480VAC should do..

I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain 
big dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all 
of the shrubs across the front of the house.  This leads to 
dead/brown and deformed areas on the plants.  We're still waiting 
for them to come back better than before.  Having grown up as a farm 
boy in eastern NC, I have a bit of understanding of the process, 
including nitrogen, soil pH, lime, etc.


Of course, there is the principle the daily intrusion - dog owners 
thinking that it's OK to bring dogs to my yard to do its business. 
If it were MY dog, I probably wouldn't mind so much, would I?


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Dieselhead]

'lectric fencer hooked to a plate (steel or alum.) where he pees 
might work well, and be less likely to cause real damage.



I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain 
big dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all 
of the shrubs across the front of the house.  This leads to 
dead/brown and deformed areas on the plants.  We're still waiting 
for them to come back better than before.  Having grown up as a farm 
boy in eastern NC, I have a bit of understanding of the process, 
including nitrogen, soil pH, lime, etc.


Of course, there is the principle the daily intrusion - dog owners 
thinking that it's OK to bring dogs to my yard to do its business. 
If it were MY dog, I probably wouldn't mind so much, would I?


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Dieselhead]

I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain 
big dog comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all 
of the shrubs across the front of the house.  This leads to 
dead/brown and deformed areas on the plants.  We're still waiting 
for them to come back better than before.  Having grown up as a farm 
boy in eastern NC, I have a bit of understanding of the process, 
including nitrogen, soil pH, lime, etc.


Of course, there is the principle the daily intrusion - dog owners 
thinking that it's OK to bring dogs to my yard to do its business. 
If it were MY dog, I probably wouldn't mind so much, would I?


Wilton


All you need is an electric bush!  So that when he lifts his leg, he 
completes a circuit and gets tickled in a certain part of his 
anatomy.  once or twice will break the dog of the habit.  Not sure 
about the owner


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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

I understand that one dousing shouldn't hurt anything, but a certain big dog 
comes through daily and douses the same spots/sides on all of the shrubs 
across the front of the house.  This leads to dead/brown and deformed areas 
on the plants.  We're still waiting for them to come back better than 
before.  Having grown up as a farm boy in eastern NC, I have a bit of 
understanding of the process, including nitrogen, soil pH, lime, etc.


Of course, there is the principle the daily intrusion - dog owners thinking 
that it's OK to bring dogs to my yard to do its business.  If it were MY 
dog, I probably wouldn't mind so much, would I?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


One dousing shouldn't hurt anything, especially if you get any amount of 
rain at all. In fact it should help fix nitrogen into the soil (at least a 
little).
Repeated doses will certainly burn a plant but again after some rain it 
should come back better than before. Where Buster does his business all 
winter the grass gets burned pretty bad. This spring I limed it real heavy 
(with the pelletized slow release stuff) and its come back real thick 
there.


-Curt

Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:52:12 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners
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Yep, that, too - "My dog/child wouldn't do THAT, etc., etc."
Oh, let's not forget, "My dog's pee doesn't kill shrubs and flowers." 
'May

not have killed the shrubs, yet, but it sure turns the shrubs brown (dead)
where they were "doused."

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Curt Raymond]

One dousing shouldn't hurt anything, especially if you get any amount of rain 
at all. In fact it should help fix nitrogen into the soil (at least a little).
Repeated doses will certainly burn a plant but again after some rain it should 
come back better than before. Where Buster does his business all winter the 
grass gets burned pretty bad. This spring I limed it real heavy (with the 
pelletized slow release stuff) and its come back real thick there.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:52:12 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners
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reply-type=original

Yep, that, too - "My dog/child wouldn't do THAT, etc., etc."
Oh, let's not forget, "My dog's pee doesn't kill shrubs and flowers."  'May 
not have killed the shrubs, yet, but it sure turns the shrubs brown (dead) 
where they were "doused."

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

'Zackly.

Wilton

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To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners




Security experts generally recommend dogs as a first line of defense 
against

burglars, home invaders, etc.  But, indiscriminate barking cancels any
security benefit of a dog.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

Well, I can understand the occasional barking at SOMETHING - a passer-by,
disturbance, etc., but the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is
something else.

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Scott Ritchey]

Security experts generally recommend dogs as a first line of defense against
burglars, home invaders, etc.  But, indiscriminate barking cancels any
security benefit of a dog. 

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

Well, I can understand the occasional barking at SOMETHING - a passer-by, 
disturbance, etc., but the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is 
something else.

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

Well, I can understand the occasional barking at SOMETHING - a passer-by, 
disturbance, etc., but the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is 
something else.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


Well, my neighbors certainly are not deaf, but they have an overactive 
German Shepard who is quite convinced she needs to bark at EVERY ONE  who 
moves in her sight.  They ascribe it to separation anxiety (pup  was taken 
from her mother before being properly weaned) and poor  socialization 
before they got her.


Whatever the reason, they do call her off and do what they can to keep 
her from barking so much.  I don't mind, specifically because I know  they 
are doing their best to train her not to make so much noise.


The fun part of this is that she will shut up, sit, and beg for  treats, 
but start barking again as soon as she's gobbled them down.   Quite funny. 
She is also wagging her tail full blast while barking   up a storm, so I 
suspect she's just attempting to assert dominance and  protect her people 
(which is fine, I don't plan to go into the yard  while she's out, I don't 
trust the tail, so to speak).


Now, if they let her bark herself silly and didn't say or do anything, 
that would be a different story.  Nice people, I can tolerate an over- 
protective dog for a few years compared to a nice dog and wretched 
people.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

'Sounds like the dog has learned how to get treats, too - bark.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


Well, my neighbors certainly are not deaf, but they have an overactive  
German Shepard who is quite convinced she needs to bark at EVERY ONE  
who moves in her sight.  They ascribe it to separation anxiety (pup  
was taken from her mother before being properly weaned) and poor  
socialization before they got her.


Whatever the reason, they do call her off and do what they can to keep  
her from barking so much.  I don't mind, specifically because I know  
they are doing their best to train her not to make so much noise.


The fun part of this is that she will shut up, sit, and beg for  
treats, but start barking again as soon as she's gobbled them down.   
Quite funny.  She is also wagging her tail full blast while barking   
up a storm, so I suspect she's just attempting to assert dominance and  
protect her people (which is fine, I don't plan to go into the yard  
while she's out, I don't trust the tail, so to speak).


Now, if they let her bark herself silly and didn't say or do anything,  
that would be a different story.  Nice people, I can tolerate an over- 
protective dog for a few years compared to a nice dog and wretched  
people.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[WILTON]

Yep, that, too - "My dog/child wouldn't do THAT, etc., etc."
Oh, let's not forget, "My dog's pee doesn't kill shrubs and flowers."  'May 
not have killed the shrubs, yet, but it sure turns the shrubs brown (dead) 
where they were "doused."


Wilton

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To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners




Children too.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:29 AM
To: mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

How is it that so many dog owners seem to be deaf to the relentless,
incessant barking of their dogs.  Coupla hours ('bout 6 AM)  before I got 
up

this morning, a "small" dog somewhere nearby began barking - a shrill
fast-paced bark.  In spite of many years around jet engines, my hearing is
still pretty good - good enough to make me wonder - do dog owners go deaf,
or do they just not give a damned about how their dogs' incessant barking
annoys others nearby.  Obviously, a dog's bark is more annoying to others
than to the dog owner.  I think, if it were as annoying to the owner as it
is to others, the owner would make the dog, shut the hell up.  BTW, I've
owned dogs, too, but I trained them not to bark so.

It's probably the same "syndrome" that makes the dog owner think it's OK 
to
bring the dog into my yard to do his/her "business."  I call it the 
"my-dog

syndrome" - my dog is better than your dog, my dog doesn't bite, my dog's
bark is not annoying, my dog barks silently, my dog's crap doesn't stink, 
my

dog's crap doesn't make a mess on somebody's shoes or carpet, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Peter Frederick]

Well, my neighbors certainly are not deaf, but they have an overactive  
German Shepard who is quite convinced she needs to bark at EVERY ONE  
who moves in her sight.  They ascribe it to separation anxiety (pup  
was taken from her mother before being properly weaned) and poor  
socialization before they got her.


Whatever the reason, they do call her off and do what they can to keep  
her from barking so much.  I don't mind, specifically because I know  
they are doing their best to train her not to make so much noise.


The fun part of this is that she will shut up, sit, and beg for  
treats, but start barking again as soon as she's gobbled them down.   
Quite funny.  She is also wagging her tail full blast while barking   
up a storm, so I suspect she's just attempting to assert dominance and  
protect her people (which is fine, I don't plan to go into the yard  
while she's out, I don't trust the tail, so to speak).


Now, if they let her bark herself silly and didn't say or do anything,  
that would be a different story.  Nice people, I can tolerate an over- 
protective dog for a few years compared to a nice dog and wretched  
people.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[Scott Ritchey]

Children too.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:29 AM
To: mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

How is it that so many dog owners seem to be deaf to the relentless,
incessant barking of their dogs.  Coupla hours ('bout 6 AM)  before I got up
this morning, a "small" dog somewhere nearby began barking - a shrill
fast-paced bark.  In spite of many years around jet engines, my hearing is
still pretty good - good enough to make me wonder - do dog owners go deaf,
or do they just not give a damned about how their dogs' incessant barking
annoys others nearby.  Obviously, a dog's bark is more annoying to others
than to the dog owner.  I think, if it were as annoying to the owner as it
is to others, the owner would make the dog, shut the hell up.  BTW, I've
owned dogs, too, but I trained them not to bark so.

It's probably the same "syndrome" that makes the dog owner think it's OK to
bring the dog into my yard to do his/her "business."  I call it the "my-dog
syndrome" - my dog is better than your dog, my dog doesn't bite, my dog's
bark is not annoying, my dog barks silently, my dog's crap doesn't stink, my
dog's crap doesn't make a mess on somebody's shoes or carpet, etc., etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

[M. Mitchell Marmel]

At 10:28 AM -0400 6/9/13, WILTON wrote:
How is it that so many dog owners seem to be deaf to the relentless, 
incessant barking of their dogs.


I like hearing my neighbors' dogs barking.  Means they're on the job. 
And it's usually because my cats are teasing them, so I figure it's 
only fair.


-MMM-

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