Re: [MBZ] Individual health policies, was Walmart vs NAPA auto

2006-02-12 Thread lee
We're way off topic now, but I will go with it-

I am now happily gone from the field of medical reimbursement, but I did work 
in that field for nearly 20 years. For a year or so of that time I worked for 
a TPA which provided individual health policies to the self-employed. What an 
eye-opener!

Such policies by their very nature are non-group and therefore the principle 
of shared risk, the fundamental basis of insurance, is not in play. The 
Insurer has to get more out of you than they pay, its that simple. 
Consequently, these policies look dandy if you are reasonably healthy, but if 
you get sick (I mean really sick, you have a heart attack,  are diagnosed 
with cancer, or diabetes, say) your insurance company is likely to reach into 
its bag of dirty tricks to either rescind your coverage retroactively, 
increase your  rates  to the point that you cannot pay them, issue a rider 
excluding coverage for your conditon, or declare your condition to be 
pre-existing or otherwise excluded under the policy. Failing those things, 
the insurer may simply pend all  of your claims for six months to a year 
while they investigate to FIND OUT if they can do any of those things, with 
the net effect that your bills don't get paid anyway until the investigation 
is concluded, if ever. 

I'm not kidding. I worked in  the Medical Investigations Unit and later worked 
under the TPA's in-house counsel responding to  Department of Insurance 
complaints, and this is how the thing worked. If the bill was high enough, 
they would even hire a PI to try and find a reason to deny the bills. 

Lee

On Saturday 11 February 2006 5:04, David Brodbeck wrote:
 paul wrote:
  I'm self-employed, and pay for my own health insurance.  I can think of
  4 or 5 friends that are also self-employed, and pay for their own health
  insurance.  There are options.  Yes, it's expensive (around $400/month
  for the wife and I), but readily available to anyone wanting it.

 It's readily available if you're young and healthy.  If you have any
 history of illness it dries up quickly.  In some cases something as
 minor as a history of depression has caused people to be unable to get
 individual health insurance.  Basically, they'll sell it to you as long
 as you don't need it. ;)

 $400/month is also an awful lot for someone making minimum wage.

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Re: [MBZ] Individual health policies, was Walmart vs NAPA auto

2006-02-12 Thread OK Don
I know that you are right - however this is exaclty what chaps me
about the insurance companies -- they should consider ALL of the
policies they sell as an aggregate and spread teh risk across ALL of
them, not considering each individuals policy a single instance, and
all of the GM employees as another single instance!

On 2/12/06, lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We're way off topic now, but I will go with it-

 I am now happily gone from the field of medical reimbursement, but I did work
 in that field for nearly 20 years. For a year or so of that time I worked for
 a TPA which provided individual health policies to the self-employed. What an
 eye-opener!

 Such policies by their very nature are non-group and therefore the principle
 of shared risk, the fundamental basis of insurance, is not in play. The
 Insurer has to get more out of you than they pay, its that simple.
 Consequently, these policies look dandy if you are reasonably healthy, but if
 you get sick (I mean really sick, you have a heart attack,  are diagnosed
 with cancer, or diabetes, say) your insurance company is likely to reach into
 its bag of dirty tricks to either rescind your coverage retroactively,
 increase your  rates  to the point that you cannot pay them, issue a rider
 excluding coverage for your conditon, or declare your condition to be
 pre-existing or otherwise excluded under the policy. Failing those things,
 the insurer may simply pend all  of your claims for six months to a year
 while they investigate to FIND OUT if they can do any of those things, with
 the net effect that your bills don't get paid anyway until the investigation
 is concluded, if ever.

 I'm not kidding. I worked in  the Medical Investigations Unit and later worked
 under the TPA's in-house counsel responding to  Department of Insurance
 complaints, and this is how the thing worked. If the bill was high enough,
 they would even hire a PI to try and find a reason to deny the bills.

 Lee

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