Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Go '72 in the GM, disc brakes up front...

Curt

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  On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   I agree.  A 4BT rattles and shakes and 
makes a lot of noise.  It is much 
heavier than the gas engine the trucks came with.  A 6 bt is bigger and 
heavier, and the new ones are more refined, but it is too heavy for half 
or 3/4 ton peekups.  A 6 BT might work in a 1 ton, but for 1.5 or 2 ton, 
its da bomb.

An OM 603 at 125 HP is at least as good as a ford 240 or 300.  Yes, it 
cruises at 3000 RPM, but that should push along the truck with the 
original rear end at highway speeds.  If you turn up the fuel some and 
add a couple PSI of boost it should equal the HP of a 300 cubic inch or 
so merkun gasser.  It will be no more weight, perhaps lighter than a 
small block frod, shovey of dogde.

I am not thinking of any newish truck.  a 1980 or so frod would be the 
newest I'd look at.  1966 to 1968 (GM, frod or dogde) or so would be 
preferable.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> November 27, 2016 at 8:53 PM
> I've never been so excited about driving big truck engines in 
> passenger type vehicles. The only 6BT I drove was an '01 24 valve and 
> it had nothing on an MB or VW diesel.
> Gearing decides where you rev to. For a 1 ton truck the 6BT is 
> probably the best choice but for something smaller like a 1/2 ton 
> truck doing light work a 602/603/606 is probably fine.
> -Curt
>
> From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL
>
> They don't have much torque until they rev. A 4bt is much easier and
> cheaper to fit and tune in any sort of truck here in the us.

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> A 6 bt is bigger and heavier, and the new ones are more refined, but it is
> too heavy for half or 3/4 ton peekups.


I disagree.  I really like the 6BT in my 3/4 Dodge.  Feels and drives like
a truck, not a car.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Ford or Dodge truck, Chevy will require major modifications.

Front oil sump vs rear oil sump

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I agree.  A 4BT rattles and shakes and makes a lot of noise.  It is much 
heavier than the gas engine the trucks came with.   A 6 bt is bigger and 
heavier, and the new ones are more refined, but it is too heavy for half 
or 3/4 ton peekups.  A 6 BT might work in a 1 ton, but for 1.5 or 2 ton, 
its da bomb.


An OM 603 at 125 HP is at least as good as a ford 240 or 300.  Yes, it 
cruises at 3000 RPM, but that should push along the truck with the 
original rear end at highway speeds.  If you turn up the fuel some and 
add a couple PSI of boost it should equal the HP of a 300 cubic inch or 
so merkun gasser.   It will be no more weight, perhaps lighter than a 
small block frod, shovey of dogde.


I am not thinking of any newish truck.  a 1980 or so frod would be the 
newest I'd look at.  1966 to 1968 (GM, frod or dogde) or so would be 
preferable.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
November 27, 2016 at 8:53 PM
I've never been so excited about driving big truck engines in 
passenger type vehicles. The only 6BT I drove was an '01 24 valve and 
it had nothing on an MB or VW diesel.
Gearing decides where you rev to. For a 1 ton truck the 6BT is 
probably the best choice but for something smaller like a 1/2 ton 
truck doing light work a 602/603/606 is probably fine.

-Curt

From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

They don't have much torque until they rev. A 4bt is much easier and
cheaper to fit and tune in any sort of truck here in the us.


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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've never been so excited about driving big truck engines in passenger type 
vehicles. The only 6BT I drove was an '01 24 valve and it had nothing on an MB 
or VW diesel.
Gearing decides where you rev to. For a 1 ton truck the 6BT is probably the 
best choice but for something smaller like a 1/2 ton truck doing light work a 
602/603/606 is probably fine.
-Curt

  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 To: "mercedes@okiebenz com"  
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
 Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 9:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL
   
They don't have much torque until they rev. A 4bt is much easier and
cheaper to fit and tune in any sort of truck here in the us.

On Nov 27, 2016 11:39 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Agreed.  Using an OM603 or an OM606 to convert any vergasser from a 123
> to a pickup truck into a useful car or pickup makes sense to me.
>
> If I had a pickup, or a one ton, I'd be looking for an OM606 turbo.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> November 27, 2016 at 1:15 PM
>> Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a
>> 140 diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do
>> believe.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

They don't have much torque until they rev. A 4bt is much easier and
cheaper to fit and tune in any sort of truck here in the us.

On Nov 27, 2016 11:39 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Agreed.   Using an OM603 or an OM606 to convert any vergasser from a 123
> to a pickup truck into a useful car or pickup makes sense to me.
>
> If I had a pickup, or a one ton, I'd be looking for an OM606 turbo.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2016 at 1:15 PM
>> Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a
>> 140 diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do
>> believe.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

But in the time frame I am talking about they sold plenty of gasser wagons in 
the 124 and 210, why not diesel? Maybe they did not think there was enough 
demand.

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> On Nov 27, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The bow tie guys.  "Crossovers" and "SUV"s are "in"  Wagons are "out" of 
> style.  Doesn't matter who wants em.  The bowties decreed you WILL buy an ML. 
> (Or an R)  Now there is a whole slew of new "alphabet soup nonsense" models 
> that look like MLs or descendants of the AMC concorde 4WD.
> 
> Same people who said we can't have manual transmission, manual heater/AC, 
> manual windows, or manual sunroofs in the USA market.
> 
> Same people who say every new MB has to be an electronic toy, not a car.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2016 at 2:06 PM
>> I could see that for not going past 99 but we already had diesel sedans 
>> 90-93 so why not wagon? Same with 96-99.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The bow tie guys.  "Crossovers" and "SUV"s are "in"  Wagons are "out" of 
style.  Doesn't matter who wants em.  The bowties decreed you WILL buy 
an ML. (Or an R)  Now there is a whole slew of new "alphabet soup 
nonsense" models that look like MLs or descendants of the AMC concorde 4WD.


Same people who said we can't have manual transmission, manual 
heater/AC, manual windows, or manual sunroofs in the USA market.


Same people who say every new MB has to be an electronic toy, not a car.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 2:06 PM
I could see that for not going past 99 but we already had diesel 
sedans 90-93 so why not wagon? Same with 96-99.




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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I could see that for not going past 99 but we already had diesel sedans 90-93 
so why not wagon? Same with 96-99.

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> On Nov 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> EPA
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2016 at 1:39 PM
>> I don't know why they did not install a 2.5 turbo in the later 124 wagons or 
>> why no diesel 210, or why they did not continue the diesel 210 past 99.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

EPA


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 1:39 PM
I don't know why they did not install a 2.5 turbo in the later 124 
wagons or why no diesel 210, or why they did not continue the diesel 
210 past 99.




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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I don't know why they did not install a 2.5 turbo in the later 124 wagons or 
why no diesel 210, or why they did not continue the diesel 210 past 99. 

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> On Nov 27, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder why there was no 1999 turbo diesel 4matic in the 210 chassis. 
> I'd buy one of those, dark green wagon please. 
> Mitch
> 
>> On November 27, 2016 at 2:15 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a 140
>> diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do
>> believe.
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Agreed.   Using an OM603 or an OM606 to convert any vergasser from a 123 
to a pickup truck into a useful car or pickup makes sense to me.


If I had a pickup, or a one ton, I'd be looking for an OM606 turbo.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 27, 2016 at 1:15 PM
Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo 
in a 140 diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other 
countries I do believe.


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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I wonder why there was no 1999 turbo diesel 4matic in the 210 chassis. 
I'd buy one of those, dark green wagon please. 
Mitch

> On November 27, 2016 at 2:15 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a 140
> diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do
> believe.

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 in W126 300SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Seems pointless to me. Now I have heard about installing a 606 turbo in a 140 
diesel. The 606 powered turbo 140 was available in other countries I do believe.

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> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting project.
> 
> does not seem worthwhile with a running 300SDL, but interesting to know it 
> can be done.  Very short on details though.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1989953-new-project-om606-into-w126-lwb-2.html
> 
> Has anyone heard of converting a w126 vergasser to a 300SDL?  I am interested 
> in knowing what does not just bolt up from the donor car.  I would guess that 
> a GenII 420SEL would be the simplest to convert.
> 
> The SLS of a 560SEL would be nice, but the suspension pump is hard to come by.
> 
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