Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
Interesting. Article claims AK has large geothermal. Not really. Only viable current use is for a supplemental veggie grow operation connected to a hot spring resort. The bulk of the resource is too cool for more than hot house use unless the drilling can get beyond 4km. Maps of explored sources show mostly shallow and cool which then peters out past 1200m. The other problem relates to everything being out in the boonies, beyond fiscally viable recovery and delivery to market. Except if you are living on an Aleutian island with a resident volcano to tap. clay “I think it’s time we stopped our cringing embarrassment about our history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.” B. Johnson 01/09/2020 > On Oct 23, 2020, at 11:32 AM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sounds almost too good to be true, but worth a try: > > https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/10/21/21515461/renewable-energy-geothermal-egs-ags-supercritical > -- > OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
and thorium reactors. We need to get some of these off high center. The more power producing choices the better. On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 9:20 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That's the thing with all these "just around the corner" energy > schemes. They've been "just around the corner" since the 1950s. Like > fusion. > > Allan > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > > > Not all that new. Back in 1990 I staffed a House hearing on Hot Dry Rock > > geothermal energy. It was imminent then, just as it is now... > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 9:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > >> The oil patch is hurting, and needs something to do --- > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:19 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: > >> > > >> > > Someone needs to look into the long-term climate impacts of > extracting > >> > > massive amounts of heat from the earth's core. > >> > > >> > It will radiate away. It's a blip compared to the solar radiation > >> > received by the earth every day. It's still not terribly practical > >> > except in a few places where the geology is ideal. Drilling kilometers > >> > into the earth is not easy, nor cheap. Not yet, anyway. > >> > > >> > Allan > >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
That's the thing with all these "just around the corner" energy schemes. They've been "just around the corner" since the 1950s. Like fusion. Allan Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > Not all that new. Back in 1990 I staffed a House hearing on Hot Dry Rock > geothermal energy. It was imminent then, just as it is now... > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 9:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >> The oil patch is hurting, and needs something to do --- >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:19 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: >> > >> > > Someone needs to look into the long-term climate impacts of extracting >> > > massive amounts of heat from the earth's core. >> > >> > It will radiate away. It's a blip compared to the solar radiation >> > received by the earth every day. It's still not terribly practical >> > except in a few places where the geology is ideal. Drilling kilometers >> > into the earth is not easy, nor cheap. Not yet, anyway. >> > >> > Allan >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
Not all that new. Back in 1990 I staffed a House hearing on Hot Dry Rock geothermal energy. It was imminent then, just as it is now... On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 9:42 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The oil patch is hurting, and needs something to do --- > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:19 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: > > > > > Someone needs to look into the long-term climate impacts of extracting > > > massive amounts of heat from the earth's core. > > > > It will radiate away. It's a blip compared to the solar radiation > > received by the earth every day. It's still not terribly practical > > except in a few places where the geology is ideal. Drilling kilometers > > into the earth is not easy, nor cheap. Not yet, anyway. > > > > Allan > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
The oil patch is hurting, and needs something to do --- On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:19 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: > > > Someone needs to look into the long-term climate impacts of extracting > > massive amounts of heat from the earth's core. > > It will radiate away. It's a blip compared to the solar radiation > received by the earth every day. It's still not terribly practical > except in a few places where the geology is ideal. Drilling kilometers > into the earth is not easy, nor cheap. Not yet, anyway. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: > Someone needs to look into the long-term climate impacts of extracting > massive amounts of heat from the earth's core. It will radiate away. It's a blip compared to the solar radiation received by the earth every day. It's still not terribly practical except in a few places where the geology is ideal. Drilling kilometers into the earth is not easy, nor cheap. Not yet, anyway. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
> > 3. The game is rigged against you > I heard it as: "You can't even get out of the game." -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
The 3 laws of thermodynamics: 1. You can't win 2. You can't break even 3. The game is rigged against you --FT On 10/23/20 5:24 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: Any engineer will tell you that there is (almost) no free lunch -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue
Geothermal uses the temperature difference between the hot source and cool sink: more is better. In places like Iceland where the earth's crust is thin and mantle closer to the surface, geothermal is very practical and powers most of that island. Other places not so much. The article has some technical errors (like temp and depth of the magma) but the ideas are OK. Someone needs to look into the long-term climate impacts of extracting massive amounts of heat from the earth's core. Any engineer will tell you that there is (almost) no free lunch. In any event, it is only useful for stationary power/heat generation: liquid fuels and/or super batteries still needed for vehicles. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 3:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: [MBZ] OT: Geothermal energy to the rescue Sounds almost too good to be true, but worth a try: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/10/21/21515461/renewable-energy-geothermal-egs-ags-supercritical -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
