Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political
Recent paper from China showing that a significant percentage of patients present with GI-only symptoms, just FYI: https://journals.lww.com/ajg/Documents/COVID_Digestive_Symptoms_AJG_Preproof.pdf On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 1:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Thanks, Karl. > > He self isolates pretty well, so that’s not an issue. He didn’t present > with any respiratory issues. If he has what the wife brought home, it’s not > so much diarrhea as things are just really loose. That’s why I was saying I > was surprised that all of the known stuff I threw at it seemed to have > little to no effect. It’s just gradually gotten more normal over a week’s > time. > > We’ll keep a close eye, for sure. Again, thank you! > > Dan > > > On Mar 28, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known > > presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it > > could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also. > > > > The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized > > patients. That is changing rapidly, but we are still not at that level of > > test availability. So thay have no way to rule out covid 19. > > > > You can get one forecast for hospital bed shortages here. Florida peaks > > later I think: > > > > > https://covid19.healthdata.org/?fbclid=IwAR22wuagEnK_CIc2Httm1vTDRU8LAE7QQK6wNlq4McYnbqOt3CFk5vp5Mao > > > > Either way chicken soup, sleep and keep a weather eye out in 5-7 days if > he > > isnt looking right. Significant shortness of breath is about the only > > reason to go to an ER. > > > > That's the tough part of this thing - variable presentation. Many people > > seem to not get super sick at all, and the ones who do have a variety of > > symptoms. Might not be a bad idea to isolate him from you if he has any > > respiratory stuff at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes > > > wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house > >>> recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but > >>> definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has > >>> affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally > >>> slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect. > >> > >> When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of > >> applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor. > >> > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political
Thanks, Karl. He self isolates pretty well, so that’s not an issue. He didn’t present with any respiratory issues. If he has what the wife brought home, it’s not so much diarrhea as things are just really loose. That’s why I was saying I was surprised that all of the known stuff I threw at it seemed to have little to no effect. It’s just gradually gotten more normal over a week’s time. We’ll keep a close eye, for sure. Again, thank you! Dan > On Mar 28, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known > presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it > could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also. > > The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized > patients. That is changing rapidly, but we are still not at that level of > test availability. So thay have no way to rule out covid 19. > > You can get one forecast for hospital bed shortages here. Florida peaks > later I think: > > https://covid19.healthdata.org/?fbclid=IwAR22wuagEnK_CIc2Httm1vTDRU8LAE7QQK6wNlq4McYnbqOt3CFk5vp5Mao > > Either way chicken soup, sleep and keep a weather eye out in 5-7 days if he > isnt looking right. Significant shortness of breath is about the only > reason to go to an ER. > > That's the tough part of this thing - variable presentation. Many people > seem to not get super sick at all, and the ones who do have a variety of > symptoms. Might not be a bad idea to isolate him from you if he has any > respiratory stuff at all. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > >> On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house >>> recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but >>> definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has >>> affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally >>> slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect. >> >> When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of >> applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor. >> >> >> Craig >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political
Yeah 2 weeks ago that podcast said some patients were presenting with GI symptoms, which could also be another vector for infection of others. --FT On 3/28/20 4:36 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also. The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized patients. That is changing rapidly, but we are still not at that level of test availability. So thay have no way to rule out covid 19. You can get one forecast for hospital bed shortages here. Florida peaks later I think: https://covid19.healthdata.org/?fbclid=IwAR22wuagEnK_CIc2Httm1vTDRU8LAE7QQK6wNlq4McYnbqOt3CFk5vp5Mao Either way chicken soup, sleep and keep a weather eye out in 5-7 days if he isnt looking right. Significant shortness of breath is about the only reason to go to an ER. That's the tough part of this thing - variable presentation. Many people seem to not get super sick at all, and the ones who do have a variety of symptoms. Might not be a bad idea to isolate him from you if he has any respiratory stuff at all. On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect. When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political
It could easily be covid 19 unfortunately. Diarrhea is one of the known presenting symptoms in a significant minority of patients. Of course it could be tens of other viruses or bacteria also. The doc probably doesnt have any access to a test for non hospitalized patients. That is changing rapidly, but we are still not at that level of test availability. So thay have no way to rule out covid 19. You can get one forecast for hospital bed shortages here. Florida peaks later I think: https://covid19.healthdata.org/?fbclid=IwAR22wuagEnK_CIc2Httm1vTDRU8LAE7QQK6wNlq4McYnbqOt3CFk5vp5Mao Either way chicken soup, sleep and keep a weather eye out in 5-7 days if he isnt looking right. Significant shortness of breath is about the only reason to go to an ER. That's the tough part of this thing - variable presentation. Many people seem to not get super sick at all, and the ones who do have a variety of symptoms. Might not be a bad idea to isolate him from you if he has any respiratory stuff at all. On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house > > recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but > > definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has > > affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally > > slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect. > > When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of > applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:54:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house > recently, which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but > definitely tearing up the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has > affected the symptoms. Yogurt, cheese, anything that would normally > slow or stop things up has absolutely no effect. When Shirley was a Registered Dietitian, she used the A-B-C diet of applesauce, bananas, and cottage cheese on the hospital floor. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - COVID 19 Stuff/Non-political
Glad to hear it is not COVID-19! Lesson to us all, not a good time to share any health concerns with other than a healthcare professional or family, lest someone go off half cocked. Sad stories about traveling nurses being kicked out of leases because landlords are afraid of contagion. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This hit really close to home: > > Youngest boy comes home from work last night, looking a bit peaked and > feeling poorly, said he had a fever. Hmm. Not good. Checks his temperature, > sure enough, he’s got a mild fever. Says his gut has been a mess as the day > went on, with his lower GI going berserk. > > Mom was kind enough to bring something like this into the house recently, > which I’ve been dealing with as well. No fever, but definitely tearing up > the lower GI. Nothing, I mean nothing, has affected the symptoms. Yogurt, > cheese, anything that would normally slow or stop things up has absolutely > no effect. > > So anyway, once we hear the symptoms we breathe a sigh of relief and send > him off to his room. > > About an hour later, he comes out to me at the computer and he’s all > worked up. Seems that he shared his concerns about his symptoms/health with > a coworker that day. The coworker, a poorly educated rural Bubba type, goes > home and tells his equally clueless wife. She has a major meltdown and > calls a County commissioner, at home, and rants about the employees > spreading CV19 all over the place and the County doing nothing to prevent > it. > > So now youngest son is like the chicken that got caught in the tractor’s > nuts, to quote Slim Pickens. > > I tell him to not worry, he’s not going to lose his job, and that with > everyone on edge this is just one of what will probably be many meltdowns > that will occur over the next few weeks. Hardly calming, but at this point > there’s not a lot he can do. He was planning on going to the doctor this > morning to get checked out anyway. > > So he goes to the doctor this morning. Stomach bug, doc tells him. No > cure, it has to run it’s course. He gets a “get out of jail free” statement > from the doc and sends it to his supervisor so he can return to work > tomorrow. > > Crisis averted. Oy. > > -D > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
