Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ed,

I have an ATI 5870 PC card that has been flashed with firmware that will allow 
it to run on a Mac.  ATI was Apple's pick of graphics cards for many years, 
although the only real difference between an Apple branded one and a "regular" 
card is the firmware and the ability to display a boot screen, which the PC 
cards won't do - sort of.  If I want a boot screen I just have to plug one of 
my Cinema Displays into the DisplayPort output on the card and I can see the 
gray Apple EFI screen and the boot menu.

Because of this the Apple branded cards are significantly more expensive, but 
functionally the same.  There's a guy in Illinois who has a business that does 
nothing but flash ATI cards with the Apple firmware and sells them for 
significantly less.

As for nVidia, many of their regular PC cards will work right out of the box in 
a MacPro if you're running OS X 10.7.5 or later, however, without special 
firmware they won't display the boot and EFI screens.  nVidia does write Apple 
drivers for these cards so they will run on a MacPro, and Apple supports some 
of them as well, so it's an easy way to have a pretty decent high powered 
graphics card in a piece of legacy equipment.

There is a caveat, however

The later video cards require more power than the MacPro's power supply can 
provide, so if you go really high power graphics-wise you'll find people 
installing secondary power supplies i the second optical drive bay, for 
example.  Not a kludge, but something that will be necessary of you go that 
route.  Well documented and many DIY kits are around for this, too.

There is a really good thread on MacRumors covering just this topic, and while 
it's pretty lengthy, it's got a lot of good information.  I have it subscribed 
as I was going to go this route until I found my ATI card:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1440150

Let me know if you have any other questions.  Glad to hear another legacy 
machine is being brought back to life.

Dan


> On Oct 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Ed Booher  wrote:
> 
> I was just researching this yesterday! Have a line on a Pro 1,1 to sit next 
> to the Pro 5 and wondered about the install. You say your graphics card has 
> flashed firmware? Is that absolutely necessary? I've seen a set of 
> "alternate" graphics drivers direct from nVidia that allows quite a few of 
> apparently their vanilla PC cards to work in a Pro. Do you have any 
> experience with that at all?
> 
> EdB
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

I was just researching this yesterday! Have a line on a Pro 1,1 to sit next
to the Pro 5 and wondered about the install. You say your graphics card has
flashed firmware? Is that absolutely necessary? I've seen a set of
"alternate" graphics drivers direct from nVidia that allows quite a few of
apparently their vanilla PC cards to work in a Pro. Do you have any
experience with that at all?

EdB

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> For you Macheads out there, I just installed Yosemite on my MacPro using a
> custom bootloader.  I’ve used the same means to do so with previous version
> of OS X that weren’t supported by Apple for my “antiquated” hardware - a
> MacPro 1,1 upgraded to 2,1 firmware with 14GB of RAM, four drives (boot
> drive is a 128GB SSD), ATI HD 5870 with flashed firmware and dual 23”
> Cinema Displays.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Memory isn't the limitation - the big issue is 32-bit EFI vs. 64-bit EFI.  The 
machine has to have a processor capable of doing 64-bit operations.  That would 
me the minimum processor would have to be an Intel Core2Duo.  I think your 
Macbook 1,1 only has a CoreDuo processor.  Not familiar with the Macbook Pro - 
look it up or just check the "About this Mac" in the Finder to see.

If you want to do Mavericks on the MBP I can point you at a very easy way to do 
it with nothing more than an 8GB flash drive.

Dan



> On Oct 25, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Think it may work on a macbook 1.1 or Macbook pro 8.1?  Both have maxed out 
> memory according to OWC.
> 
> 
> 
>> For you Macheads out there, I just installed Yosemite on my MacPro using a 
>> custom bootloader.  I've used the same means to do so with previous version 
>> of OS X that weren't supported by Apple for my "antiquated" hardware - a 
>> MacPro 1,1 upgraded to 2,1 firmware with 14GB of RAM, four drives (boot 
>> drive is a 128GB SSD), ATI HD 5870 with flashed firmware and dual 23" Cinema 
>> Displays.
>> 
>> Yosemite is running great from a secondary drive and I'll continue to run it 
>> in parallel with Mavericks for a week or so until I'm convinced it's stable. 
>>  At that point I'll move it on to the SSD and run it as my primary operating 
>> system.
>> 
>> The bootloader approach to installing Yosemite is pretty simple and can be 
>> done by just about anyone.  Earlier OS versions using Mavericks have been 
>> automated by a developer with a utility he wrote called "SFOTT",  In this 
>> case all you need is a copy of Mavericks and a USB drive and you can easily 
>> load Mavericks on a legacy Mac that isn't supported (by Apple) for Mavericks.
>> 
>> He has already started the process to make SFOTT work with Yosemite but has 
>> some work to do for it to work with the golden master release.
>> 
>> If you have questions about this drop me a PM and I'll be more than happy to 
>> assist.  This whole arrangement of supporting older OS' on legacy hardware 
>> has been great - I have a fantastic piece of hardware that can run the 
>> latest operating systems without issues.
>> 
>> MacDan
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Think it may work on a macbook 1.1 or Macbook pro 8.1?  Both have 
maxed out memory according to OWC.




For you Macheads out there, I just installed Yosemite on my MacPro 
using a custom bootloader.  I've used the same means to do so with 
previous version of OS X that weren't supported by Apple for my 
"antiquated" hardware - a MacPro 1,1 upgraded to 2,1 firmware with 
14GB of RAM, four drives (boot drive is a 128GB SSD), ATI HD 5870 
with flashed firmware and dual 23" Cinema Displays.


Yosemite is running great from a secondary drive and I'll continue 
to run it in parallel with Mavericks for a week or so until I'm 
convinced it's stable.  At that point I'll move it on to the SSD and 
run it as my primary operating system.


The bootloader approach to installing Yosemite is pretty simple and 
can be done by just about anyone.  Earlier OS versions using 
Mavericks have been automated by a developer with a utility he wrote 
called "SFOTT",  In this case all you need is a copy of Mavericks 
and a USB drive and you can easily load Mavericks on a legacy Mac 
that isn't supported (by Apple) for Mavericks.


He has already started the process to make SFOTT work with Yosemite 
but has some work to do for it to work with the golden master 
release.


If you have questions about this drop me a PM and I'll be more than 
happy to assist.  This whole arrangement of supporting older OS' on 
legacy hardware has been great - I have a fantastic piece of 
hardware that can run the latest operating systems without issues.


MacDan



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Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Better searches with Spotlight, annotation in email, DuckDuckGo as a search 
engine built in, the “Handoff” feature, and the ability to have private 
browsing tabs in a separate window.

The handoff feature is probably the least useful, as it only works with other 
iOS devices, but it’s still nice.

Dan


> On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Features like?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Features like?

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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Re: [MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Because I want access to some of the features in Yosemite.  Otherwise I would 
have left well enough alone.

And also, because I can….

D



> On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> If you had 10.9 up and running why would you replace it?
> 
> Mac guys... (Shakes head)
> 
> :)
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
> From:"Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> Date:Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 8:22 AM
> Subject:[MBZ] OT - OS X 10.10 Yosemite on a MacPro 1,1
> 
> For you Macheads out there, I just installed Yosemite on my MacPro using a 
> custom bootloader.  I’ve used the same means to do so with previous version 
> of OS X that weren’t supported by Apple for my “antiquated” hardware - a 
> MacPro 1,1 upgraded to 2,1 firmware with 14GB of RAM, four drives (boot drive 
> is a 128GB SSD), ATI HD 5870 with flashed firmware and dual 23” Cinema 
> Displays.
> 
> Yosemite is running great from a secondary drive and I’ll continue to run it 
> in parallel with Mavericks for a week or so until I’m convinced it’s stable.  
> At that point I’ll move it on to the SSD and run it as my primary operating 
> system.
> 
> The bootloader approach to installing Yosemite is pretty simple and can be 
> done by just about anyone.  Earlier OS versions using Mavericks have been 
> automated by a developer with a utility he wrote called “SFOTT”,  In this 
> case all you need is a copy of Mavericks and a USB drive and you can easily 
> load Mavericks on a legacy Mac that isn’t supported (by Apple) for Mavericks.
> 
> He has already started the process to make SFOTT work with Yosemite but has 
> some work to do for it to work with the golden master release.
> 
> If you have questions about this drop me a PM and I’ll be more than happy to 
> assist.  This whole arrangement of supporting older OS’ on legacy hardware 
> has been great - I have a fantastic piece of hardware that can run the latest 
> operating systems without issues.
> 
> MacDan
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