Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
injection harness are the most replaced item and then the engine harness. you'll go through alot more injection harness's because it sits on top the motor where the heat is. alot of this has to do with the averall amount of heat in the engine compartment. I added one of the 92 degree fan switch modifications from the guy on prodigy so the electric fans come on at 92 instead of 100. jim - Original Message - From: "John M McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring > Further to this I'll note not only will you need to replace the > engine wiring, it is also likely you'll replace the throttle > actuators (two) which have prices as much as $3000+ each, depending > of course who can acquire the parts for you. In reading on another > list it has been notice that replacement actuators after oh about 96 > have different coloured wiring, leading one to > believe perhaps the wiring or part supplier changed things to the > better. If said vehicle has any cracked wiring instantly subtract $8K? > > Lastly I'll note that some folks have discovered that right behind > the engine is a plastic water distribution device (dual mono- > valves?). That has a tendency now to crack (age/heat) and dump all > the coolant. It is a bit ugly to access for replacement, kind of > stick on engine, put engine in car, what you to remove it later? Why > is that firewall in the way. > > In general you want to pay a bit extra for a 98 or 99, and ask about > the evap and wiring. > > > On 30-Jan-06, at 10:06 AM, BillR wrote: > > > Marshall and John - Thanks for the help. I'll continue with the > > numerous > > repitions, and try to get at that switch, and only consider VERY > > well priced > > 140's or those with reworked wiring. > > BillR > > -Original Message- > > John > 1983 300TDt 361k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1990 300TDt 159k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1993 500SEL 170k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40) > > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
11-13 in town 17-19 highway creature comfort while driving is an understatement VERY nice car and I would buy one again ONLY because I now know what to do to keep it running. Jim - Original Message - From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring > Yeah - that is the one that got my interest. It will be a few months at > least before I decide what I will get- something like that or an SDL or just > do a more through update on my SD. Mostly at this point I am into creature > comfort. I don't really drive enough to worry about it too much, but what > kind of mileage does that beast get? I drive mostly around town, with > occasional road trips of a few hundred miles to keep things in shape. > BillR > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of James Zavesky > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:15 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring > > the wiring degrades! Plan on replacing ALL the harness'. The ETA's harness > is also know to degrade, fortunately my ETA's were fine. Replacing the > evaporator and rear accumulators are the least of your worries. > > Are you watching the 1992 white one with the fogs in the bumper? That one > has late model wood in it, looks like it's been gone through. > > Jim > > > > - Original Message - > From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:49 AM > Subject: [MBZ] S600 wiring > > > > > > > > > > James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on ebay > > now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump. What is the > > problem with the wiring? I thought pre '94's should be ok. > > > > For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker: It is still an > > occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] > usually > > stops it. Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located, > and > > I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go. Is there > a > > simple way to get access to that switch? > > BillR > > Jacksonville FL > > 1981 300SD EM 270k miles > > ___ > > http://www.striplin.net > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
Sounds like it would be much simpler and cheaper to just keep the dream and not mess it up with reality. Perhaps I'll find a nice 300SDL or just put some more $ into EM. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John M McIntosh Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring My understanding was that it was never fixed. The alternate fix was to install an evap from a e-class and a baffle to fill in the gap because the e class evap isn't as wide. However the internet is full of stories about evaps being replaced 3 or 4 times in the 90s, so I'm not sure when the alternate fix was put into place. On 30-Jan-06, at 2:20 PM, Desert Rat wrote: > Speaking of evaporator failures, wonder if anyone knows when MB > recognized the error of their ways and reinforced this weak link? Was > it 96 or so? > > Which also leads to the thought that perhaps the early 92 and up > replacements were not reinforced? > > Thanks ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
My understanding was that it was never fixed. The alternate fix was to install an evap from a e-class and a baffle to fill in the gap because the e class evap isn't as wide. However the internet is full of stories about evaps being replaced 3 or 4 times in the 90s, so I'm not sure when the alternate fix was put into place. On 30-Jan-06, at 2:20 PM, Desert Rat wrote: Speaking of evaporator failures, wonder if anyone knows when MB recognized the error of their ways and reinforced this weak link? Was it 96 or so? Which also leads to the thought that perhaps the early 92 and up replacements were not reinforced? Thanks
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
Speaking of evaporator failures, wonder if anyone knows when MB recognized the error of their ways and reinforced this weak link? Was it 96 or so? Which also leads to the thought that perhaps the early 92 and up replacements were not reinforced? Thanks On 1/30/06, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Further to this I'll note not only will you need to replace the > engine wiring, it is also likely you'll replace the throttle > actuators (two) which have prices as much as $3000+ each, depending > of course who can acquire the parts for you. In reading on another > list it has been notice that replacement actuators after oh about 96 > have different coloured wiring, leading one to > believe perhaps the wiring or part supplier changed things to the > better. If said vehicle has any cracked wiring instantly subtract $8K? > > Lastly I'll note that some folks have discovered that right behind > the engine is a plastic water distribution device (dual mono- > valves?). That has a tendency now to crack (age/heat) and dump all > the coolant. It is a bit ugly to access for replacement, kind of > stick on engine, put engine in car, what you to remove it later? Why > is that firewall in the way. > > In general you want to pay a bit extra for a 98 or 99, and ask about > the evap and wiring. > > > On 30-Jan-06, at 10:06 AM, BillR wrote: > > > Marshall and John - Thanks for the help. I'll continue with the > > numerous > > repitions, and try to get at that switch, and only consider VERY > > well priced > > 140's or those with reworked wiring. > > BillR > > -Original Message- > > John > 1983 300TDt 361k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1990 300TDt 159k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1993 500SEL 170k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40) > > > > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K "Stardust" 1985 380SL 145K "Blue Belle"
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
Further to this I'll note not only will you need to replace the engine wiring, it is also likely you'll replace the throttle actuators (two) which have prices as much as $3000+ each, depending of course who can acquire the parts for you. In reading on another list it has been notice that replacement actuators after oh about 96 have different coloured wiring, leading one to believe perhaps the wiring or part supplier changed things to the better. If said vehicle has any cracked wiring instantly subtract $8K? Lastly I'll note that some folks have discovered that right behind the engine is a plastic water distribution device (dual mono- valves?). That has a tendency now to crack (age/heat) and dump all the coolant. It is a bit ugly to access for replacement, kind of stick on engine, put engine in car, what you to remove it later? Why is that firewall in the way. In general you want to pay a bit extra for a 98 or 99, and ask about the evap and wiring. On 30-Jan-06, at 10:06 AM, BillR wrote: Marshall and John - Thanks for the help. I'll continue with the numerous repitions, and try to get at that switch, and only consider VERY well priced 140's or those with reworked wiring. BillR -Original Message- John 1983 300TDt 361k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 159k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 170k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
Yeah - that is the one that got my interest. It will be a few months at least before I decide what I will get- something like that or an SDL or just do a more through update on my SD. Mostly at this point I am into creature comfort. I don't really drive enough to worry about it too much, but what kind of mileage does that beast get? I drive mostly around town, with occasional road trips of a few hundred miles to keep things in shape. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Zavesky Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:15 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring the wiring degrades! Plan on replacing ALL the harness'. The ETA's harness is also know to degrade, fortunately my ETA's were fine. Replacing the evaporator and rear accumulators are the least of your worries. Are you watching the 1992 white one with the fogs in the bumper? That one has late model wood in it, looks like it's been gone through. Jim - Original Message - From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: [MBZ] S600 wiring > > > James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on ebay > now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump. What is the > problem with the wiring? I thought pre '94's should be ok. > > For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker: It is still an > occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] usually > stops it. Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located, and > I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go. Is there a > simple way to get access to that switch? > BillR > Jacksonville FL > 1981 300SD EM 270k miles > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
Marshall and John - Thanks for the help. I'll continue with the numerous repitions, and try to get at that switch, and only consider VERY well priced 140's or those with reworked wiring. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring BillR wrote: > > > James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on ebay > now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump. What is the > problem with the wiring? I thought pre '94's should be ok. > > For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker: It is still > an occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] > usually stops it. Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is > located, and I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs > to go. Is there a simple way to get access to that switch? Some cars (W140s for sure) got the biodegradable wiring (and all of the wiring problem associated with that) in 1992 while others (like the 124 diesel) didn't have until 1995. Just depends on on the particular chassis AND engine. Usually switching the Hazard switch on and off about 100 times will clean it or break so it requires replacement to restore reliable function. Have you tried cleaning (or buckling/unbucking about 50 times) the seat belt buckle switch? When it gets dirty in early '80s cars - the buzzer may sound. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
BillR wrote: For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker: It is still an occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] usually stops it. Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located, and I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go. Is there a simple way to get access to that switch? Some cars (W140s for sure) got the biodegradable wiring (and all of the wiring problem associated with that) in 1992 while others (like the 124 diesel) didn't have until 1995. Just depends on on the particular chassis AND engine. Usually switching the Hazard switch on and off about 100 times will clean it or break so it requires replacement to restore reliable function. Have you tried cleaning (or buckling/unbucking about 50 times) the seat belt buckle switch? When it gets dirty in early '80s cars - the buzzer may sound. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
On Monday, January 30, 2006, at 09:49 AM, BillR wrote: For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker: It is still an occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] usually stops it. Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located, and I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go. Is there a simple way to get access to that switch? BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 270k miles Yes, remove it and disassemble, clean, lube and put it back together. Most switches simply pull out of the dash/console. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] S600 wiring
the wiring degrades! Plan on replacing ALL the harness'. The ETA's harness is also know to degrade, fortunately my ETA's were fine. Replacing the evaporator and rear accumulators are the least of your worries. Are you watching the 1992 white one with the fogs in the bumper? That one has late model wood in it, looks like it's been gone through. Jim - Original Message - From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: [MBZ] S600 wiring > > > James - I have been toying with the idea of getting an S600 - one on ebay > now looks pretty good, but I am not ready to make the jump. What is the > problem with the wiring? I thought pre '94's should be ok. > > For all those who offered help with the erratic blinker: It is still an > occasional problem, but playing with it [flashers, blinkers, stalk] usually > stops it. Never had the panel off where the flasher switch is located, and > I don't think I am getting contact cleaner where it needs to go. Is there a > simple way to get access to that switch? > BillR > Jacksonville FL > 1981 300SD EM 270k miles > ___ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
