Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
ATTABOY. Wilt - Original Message - From: "clay via Mercedes" To: "Curt Raymond" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler I took the car along the next day to make sure the key worked all around, and to get some spares. I asked if he had rebuilt the lock. He did not. The PO had used graphite to keep his key turning in the lock, and that had gummed it up something fierce. A good blasting with Tri-flow to remove the snot got it back to working order just fine. clay On Jul 18, 2014, at 6:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I've never seen a 107 key but on a 123 matching an ignition to the doors is simplicity itself if you have the original lock, you pull the tumblers and swap them over. "Tumblers" is not a very descriptive word here, they're little spring loaded wafers. The biggest part of the job is cleaning everything real good. I *think* that most bad tumblers are probably fine and just need a real good cleaning. Interestingly my Jetta uses a VERY similar system and now knowing that I'm very tempted to re-key it to use a Mercedes key... -Curt From: clay via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:58 AM Subject: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler Ok, not that expensive, but much like the 70's TV show, the ignition cylinder was rebuilt. 1974 450 SL I had ordered a factory tumbler and key from the local dealer, per instruction from Classic Center. That was April. I got impatient and found a complete lock cylinder off fleabay and had my indy install that when I was able to get the locked up tumbler to turn. I had intended the hardware to be back up if the old one had to be drilled. I have been driving on two keys since May. One for the doors, the other to light off. I was thinking. A very dangerous thing at times. "where in tarnation is my dang tumbler the Black Forest Elves are supposed to be making?" I need to contact the dealer to see if it got lost, but, being a lazy butt and it being hot outside, and I am not in the mood to pick up the phone, and would rather be lied to my face, than my ear, I have not done that. Maybe in the morrow. I recalled information about a local lock shop that can rebuild the tumbler and make me a coded key for it. That sounds interesting, I thunk to myself. I have about seven gallons of waste oil that needed disposal, and the FLAPS was sort of on the way, so I packed up the dead lock set and took it to the shop. Feller at the shop grabs it and scurried off to the back with not much verbal interplay. I stood about wondering what magic he intended, or had he absconded with my lock and was now posting it on Fleabay. A few minutes later he came back and said it was fairly mucked up. Four thirty. Forty-five. I heard $430. ?? Forty five? A range of price? Nope. He would charge me $45 and have it ready by 1630. SWEET! Steel key and coded to the car. Half the cost of the GERMAN tumbler. I jumped on it. When I picked it up, he assured me it was fully functional, but I should test it on the doors, just for good measure. If it was not good, bring it back and he would adjust it. I tried it on the doors. Driver door was good, Passenger and trunk, not so much. I will be driving the car there in the morning, after I get the bread dough out from rising over night in the ice box. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
locksmith was pretty strident about never using graphite to lube a lock. I did not press why. Tri-flow or some other penetrating lube is what the shop used on most everything clay On Jul 18, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:02:17 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I've got a little bottle of lock lube with PTFE thats the greatest >> stuff. Whatever the carrier is it cuts through road dirt that hardens >> up most locks and makes 'em sticky. The trunk lock in the Jetta is >> particularly bad for that. When we were in Michigan we were getting in >> the trunk nearly every day and the lock worked good. I went to open it >> today and its sticky again. I need to pull it apart and clean it good >> but the goop has done a pretty good job so far. > > I recall hearing that one should be careful on using "lock lube" on W124s > with alarm systems, that only the special Mercedes stuff should be used > and never graphite. > > Does anyone know any more about this? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
I took the car along the next day to make sure the key worked all around, and to get some spares. I asked if he had rebuilt the lock. He did not. The PO had used graphite to keep his key turning in the lock, and that had gummed it up something fierce. A good blasting with Tri-flow to remove the snot got it back to working order just fine. clay On Jul 18, 2014, at 6:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I've never seen a 107 key but on a 123 matching an ignition to the doors is > simplicity itself if you have the original lock, you pull the tumblers and > swap them over. "Tumblers" is not a very descriptive word here, they're > little spring loaded wafers. The biggest part of the job is cleaning > everything real good. I *think* that most bad tumblers are probably fine and > just need a real good cleaning. > > > Interestingly my Jetta uses a VERY similar system and now knowing that I'm > very tempted to re-key it to use a Mercedes key... > > -Curt > > > > From: clay via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:58 AM > Subject: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler > > > Ok, not that expensive, but much like the 70's TV show, the ignition cylinder > was rebuilt. 1974 450 SL > > I had ordered a factory tumbler and key from the local dealer, per > instruction from Classic Center. That was April. I got impatient and found > a complete lock cylinder off fleabay and had my indy install that when I was > able to get the locked up tumbler to turn. I had intended the hardware to be > back up if the old one had to be drilled. I have been driving on two keys > since May. One for the doors, the other to light off. > > I was thinking. A very dangerous thing at times. "where in tarnation is my > dang tumbler the Black Forest Elves are supposed to be making?" I need to > contact the dealer to see if it got lost, but, being a lazy butt and it being > hot outside, and I am not in the mood to pick up the phone, and would rather > be lied to my face, than my ear, I have not done that. Maybe in the morrow. > > I recalled information about a local lock shop that can rebuild the tumbler > and make me a coded key for it. That sounds interesting, I thunk to myself. > I have about seven gallons of waste oil that needed disposal, and the FLAPS > was sort of on the way, so I packed up the dead lock set and took it to the > shop. > > Feller at the shop grabs it and scurried off to the back with not much verbal > interplay. I stood about wondering what magic he intended, or had he > absconded with my lock and was now posting it on Fleabay. A few minutes > later he came back and said it was fairly mucked up. Four thirty. > Forty-five. > > I heard $430. ?? Forty five? A range of price? Nope. He would charge me > $45 and have it ready by 1630. SWEET! Steel key and coded to the car. Half > the cost of the GERMAN tumbler. I jumped on it. > > When I picked it up, he assured me it was fully functional, but I should test > it on the doors, just for good measure. If it was not good, bring it back > and he would adjust it. I tried it on the doors. Driver door was good, > Passenger and trunk, not so much. I will be driving the car there in the > morning, after I get the bread dough out from rising over night in the ice > box. > > > clay > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 07:02:17 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I've got a little bottle of lock lube with PTFE thats the greatest > stuff. Whatever the carrier is it cuts through road dirt that hardens > up most locks and makes 'em sticky. The trunk lock in the Jetta is > particularly bad for that. When we were in Michigan we were getting in > the trunk nearly every day and the lock worked good. I went to open it > today and its sticky again. I need to pull it apart and clean it good > but the goop has done a pretty good job so far. I recall hearing that one should be careful on using "lock lube" on W124s with alarm systems, that only the special Mercedes stuff should be used and never graphite. Does anyone know any more about this? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
I've got a little bottle of lock lube with PTFE thats the greatest stuff. Whatever the carrier is it cuts through road dirt that hardens up most locks and makes 'em sticky. The trunk lock in the Jetta is particularly bad for that. When we were in Michigan we were getting in the trunk nearly every day and the lock worked good. I went to open it today and its sticky again. I need to pull it apart and clean it good but the goop has done a pretty good job so far. Unfortunately I can't remember where I got it and the bottle is almost empty. -Curt From: LarryT via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler Cleaning is a good idea -- especially is a PO might have tried to "lubricate" the lock -- anything but Graphite Powder will attract dirt... Larry On 7/18/2014 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I've never seen a 107 key but on a 123 matching an ignition to the doors is > simplicity itself if you have the original lock, you pull the tumblers and > swap them over. "Tumblers" is not a very descriptive word here, they're > little spring loaded wafers. The biggest part of the job is cleaning > everything real good. I *think* that most bad tumblers are probably fine and > just need a real good cleaning. > > > Interestingly my Jetta uses a VERY similar system and now knowing that I'm > very tempted to re-key it to use a Mercedes key... > > -Curt > > > > From: clay via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:58 AM > Subject: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler > > > Ok, not that expensive, but much like the 70's TV show, the ignition cylinder > was rebuilt. 1974 450 SL > > I had ordered a factory tumbler and key from the local dealer, per > instruction from Classic Center. That was April. I got impatient and found > a complete lock cylinder off fleabay and had my indy install that when I was > able to get the locked up tumbler to turn. I had intended the hardware to be > back up if the old one had to be drilled. I have been driving on two keys > since May. One for the doors, the other to light off. > > I was thinking. A very dangerous thing at times. "where in tarnation is my > dang tumbler the Black Forest Elves are supposed to be making?" I need to > contact the dealer to see if it got lost, but, being a lazy butt and it being > hot outside, and I am not in the mood to pick up the phone, and would rather > be lied to my face, than my ear, I have not done that. Maybe in the morrow. > > I recalled information about a local lock shop that can rebuild the tumbler > and make me a coded key for it. That sounds interesting, I thunk to myself. > I have about seven gallons of waste oil that needed disposal, and the FLAPS > was sort of on the way, so I packed up the dead lock set and took it to the > shop. > > Feller at the shop grabs it and scurried off to the back with not much verbal > interplay. I stood about wondering what magic he intended, or had he > absconded with my lock and was now posting it on Fleabay. A few minutes > later he came back and said it was fairly mucked up. Four thirty. > Forty-five. > > I heard $430. ?? Forty five? A range of price? Nope. He would charge me > $45 and have it ready by 1630. SWEET! Steel key and coded to the car. Half > the cost of the GERMAN tumbler. I jumped on it. > > When I picked it up, he assured me it was fully functional, but I should test > it on the doors, just for good measure. If it was not good, bring it back > and he would adjust it. I tried it on the doors. Driver door was good, > Passenger and trunk, not so much. I will be driving the car there in the > morning, after I get the bread dough out from rising over night in the ice > box. > > > clay > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > __
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
Cleaning is a good idea -- especially is a PO might have tried to "lubricate" the lock -- anything but Graphite Powder will attract dirt... Larry On 7/18/2014 9:15 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I've never seen a 107 key but on a 123 matching an ignition to the doors is simplicity itself if you have the original lock, you pull the tumblers and swap them over. "Tumblers" is not a very descriptive word here, they're little spring loaded wafers. The biggest part of the job is cleaning everything real good. I *think* that most bad tumblers are probably fine and just need a real good cleaning. Interestingly my Jetta uses a VERY similar system and now knowing that I'm very tempted to re-key it to use a Mercedes key... -Curt From: clay via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:58 AM Subject: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler Ok, not that expensive, but much like the 70's TV show, the ignition cylinder was rebuilt. 1974 450 SL I had ordered a factory tumbler and key from the local dealer, per instruction from Classic Center. That was April. I got impatient and found a complete lock cylinder off fleabay and had my indy install that when I was able to get the locked up tumbler to turn. I had intended the hardware to be back up if the old one had to be drilled. I have been driving on two keys since May. One for the doors, the other to light off. I was thinking. A very dangerous thing at times. "where in tarnation is my dang tumbler the Black Forest Elves are supposed to be making?" I need to contact the dealer to see if it got lost, but, being a lazy butt and it being hot outside, and I am not in the mood to pick up the phone, and would rather be lied to my face, than my ear, I have not done that. Maybe in the morrow. I recalled information about a local lock shop that can rebuild the tumbler and make me a coded key for it. That sounds interesting, I thunk to myself. I have about seven gallons of waste oil that needed disposal, and the FLAPS was sort of on the way, so I packed up the dead lock set and took it to the shop. Feller at the shop grabs it and scurried off to the back with not much verbal interplay. I stood about wondering what magic he intended, or had he absconded with my lock and was now posting it on Fleabay. A few minutes later he came back and said it was fairly mucked up. Four thirty. Forty-five. I heard $430. ?? Forty five? A range of price? Nope. He would charge me $45 and have it ready by 1630. SWEET! Steel key and coded to the car. Half the cost of the GERMAN tumbler. I jumped on it. When I picked it up, he assured me it was fully functional, but I should test it on the doors, just for good measure. If it was not good, bring it back and he would adjust it. I tried it on the doors. Driver door was good, Passenger and trunk, not so much. I will be driving the car there in the morning, after I get the bread dough out from rising over night in the ice box. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler
I've never seen a 107 key but on a 123 matching an ignition to the doors is simplicity itself if you have the original lock, you pull the tumblers and swap them over. "Tumblers" is not a very descriptive word here, they're little spring loaded wafers. The biggest part of the job is cleaning everything real good. I *think* that most bad tumblers are probably fine and just need a real good cleaning. Interestingly my Jetta uses a VERY similar system and now knowing that I'm very tempted to re-key it to use a Mercedes key... -Curt From: clay via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:58 AM Subject: [MBZ] Six Million Dollar tumbler Ok, not that expensive, but much like the 70's TV show, the ignition cylinder was rebuilt. 1974 450 SL I had ordered a factory tumbler and key from the local dealer, per instruction from Classic Center. That was April. I got impatient and found a complete lock cylinder off fleabay and had my indy install that when I was able to get the locked up tumbler to turn. I had intended the hardware to be back up if the old one had to be drilled. I have been driving on two keys since May. One for the doors, the other to light off. I was thinking. A very dangerous thing at times. "where in tarnation is my dang tumbler the Black Forest Elves are supposed to be making?" I need to contact the dealer to see if it got lost, but, being a lazy butt and it being hot outside, and I am not in the mood to pick up the phone, and would rather be lied to my face, than my ear, I have not done that. Maybe in the morrow. I recalled information about a local lock shop that can rebuild the tumbler and make me a coded key for it. That sounds interesting, I thunk to myself. I have about seven gallons of waste oil that needed disposal, and the FLAPS was sort of on the way, so I packed up the dead lock set and took it to the shop. Feller at the shop grabs it and scurried off to the back with not much verbal interplay. I stood about wondering what magic he intended, or had he absconded with my lock and was now posting it on Fleabay. A few minutes later he came back and said it was fairly mucked up. Four thirty. Forty-five. I heard $430. ?? Forty five? A range of price? Nope. He would charge me $45 and have it ready by 1630. SWEET! Steel key and coded to the car. Half the cost of the GERMAN tumbler. I jumped on it. When I picked it up, he assured me it was fully functional, but I should test it on the doors, just for good measure. If it was not good, bring it back and he would adjust it. I tried it on the doors. Driver door was good, Passenger and trunk, not so much. I will be driving the car there in the morning, after I get the bread dough out from rising over night in the ice box. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
