Re: [MBZ] Subaru Airbag - was Clean 300TD on BAT
and joe sixpack doesn't have the slightest idea how to diagnose or fix, so he takes it to a stealer, who charges him thousands for swapping in parts that weren't needed until they put in a new cluster if that is where said board resides. or $ to solve a problem that would cost the mfgr 2¢ to have done right in the first place, or cost the owner a quarter and some time. Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote on 11/1/19 10:32 PM: In fairness, digital electronics systems aren't that easy to diagnose, especially without the special (dealer) test equipment. Even with the test equipment, many pros end up swapping the wrong part$ (or so I hear). There's no substitute for experience. The airbag light in my 08 Outback started coming on intermittently a year or so ago. Not knowing how serious this was, I bought a iCarsoft unit (code reader). The iCarsoft said the problem was the passenger airbag indicator: on-off LEDs integrated in the map light assembly. Glad it wasn't a real problem like actual air bags, sensors, or the computers. Turns out this indicator fault is common problem and several folks on the legacygt.com site had already isolated and fixed it. The fix was simple: reflow the solder on a specific cracked solder joints on the tiny circuit board that holds the LED lights. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru Airbag - was Clean 300TD on BAT
In fairness, digital electronics systems aren't that easy to diagnose, especially without the special (dealer) test equipment. Even with the test equipment, many pros end up swapping the wrong part$ (or so I hear). There's no substitute for experience. The airbag light in my 08 Outback started coming on intermittently a year or so ago. Not knowing how serious this was, I bought a iCarsoft unit (code reader). The iCarsoft said the problem was the passenger airbag indicator: on-off LEDs integrated in the map light assembly. Glad it wasn't a real problem like actual air bags, sensors, or the computers. Turns out this indicator fault is common problem and several folks on the legacygt.com site had already isolated and fixed it. The fix was simple: reflow the solder on a specific cracked solder joints on the tiny circuit board that holds the LED lights. > -Original Message- > From: Randy Bennell > > This is why most people just buy a new car and make the payments. They > cannot or will not do the work themselves and cars have become better but > much more complicated. Many parts, if they are available have become silly > expensive. > > Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Yes the older Saturns were remarkably good cars. They feel cheap as hell but they just keep ticking. Kari’s has about 155K and she’s changed the oil religiously every 3K miles since new. She wants to get a few years old BMW X3 and will probably just keep the Saturn which will then do winter duty to spare my 240D. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> On December 3, 2018 at 10:36 PM Dimitri via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite >> reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now. > > My '07 Ion only has 219k on the odo. That'll fix her up for another five > years. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
60-70k miles, roughly. And 19 years is considerably more than 6. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: December 4, 2018 11:00 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subaru > On December 4, 2018 at 9:39 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > > I am not sure of the maintenance interval on the Sub timing belt. The belt > was a Mitsuboshi (not Mitsubishi) and I believe it was factory. I think that Aussie indy link I found had 100kkm-125kkm or 5-6 years. 90kmi would be more than 125kkm... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
> On December 4, 2018 at 9:39 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I am not sure of the maintenance interval on the Sub timing belt. The belt > was a Mitsuboshi (not Mitsubishi) and I believe it was factory. I think that Aussie indy link I found had 100kkm-125kkm or 5-6 years. 90kmi would be more than 125kkm... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I am not sure of the maintenance interval on the Sub timing belt. The belt was a Mitsuboshi (not Mitsubishi) and I believe it was factory. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
> On December 4, 2018 at 12:44 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Mitch inquires: > > >Bearing failure or maintenance failure? > > Bearing failure. It has 92k miles, so I suspect that it sat for some time. Subaru recommends belt replacement and bearing inspection. So I guess it's not maintenance failure unless the belt is original. Most indys recommend you replace it all, because the fact the bearing feels smooth after one belt doesn't mean it will last through the second belt change interval. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Word to the wise: replace the idler when you replace the stupid cheapa$$ timing belt. I was told that when I got my first VW Wabbit (with a trashed head because the stupid cheapa$$ timing belt broke) Same advise for serp belts, especially if you travel in not so good areas (or freeways in big cities, but That is being redundant) Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 11:44 PM: Mitch inquires: Bearing failure or maintenance failure? Bearing failure. It has 92k miles, so I suspect that it sat for some time. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Mitch inquires: >Bearing failure or maintenance failure? Bearing failure. It has 92k miles, so I suspect that it sat for some time. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
> On December 3, 2018 at 11:18 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Wasn't it Saturn that Hurst railed against for fitting a crappy oiler that > resulted in chain failure? The first US built cars with the Ecotec engine were the 2000 Saturn L series. Midway through 2003 they put bigger chain oiling orifices in them. You could buy an upgrade kit with new chain, tensioner and oil orifice for around $100 IIRC. Fatty seemed mostly mad that nobody told him he needed the upgrade kit until it was too late. Fatty's mom had a stick shift L series Saturn IIRC, and she apparently drives like me. The problem was, if you didn't wind the engine up high enough to hit max oil pressure, you didn't put enough oil on the chain. It was hard to do with an auto transmission, but if you had a stick and shifted at 2000 rpm, and didn't do much high speed driving, you could kill the chain in about 80,000 miles. I think MamaFatty got 80-90k out of hers. Anyway the first three years of 2.2L Saturns and the same engine in the Alero and Grand Am were susceptible. The Cavalier/Sunfire got the engine as an option in 2003, so some of the early J bodies had the problem too. Stick to 2004 and later model years and you don't have to worry about it. I've got the same engine in my stick shift 2007 Saturn, and drive like a grandmother, but there's nothing wrong with the engine after 219k, the last 33k driven by me. But mine came with the high volume chain oiler, I only use synthetic oil, and it's geared to do 2700 on the highway. I think the early ones were geared taller. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Hahaha Bob R Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite > reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >> >> Kari drives a SATURN?? >> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:48 PM Dimitri via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts are for POS Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM: > I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in my > garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. > Rick > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
yes, it was a Saturn the fats crushed. Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 10:18 PM: Wasn't it Saturn that Hurst railed against for fitting a crappy oiler that resulted in chain failure? Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I pay a guy to do the belts on my VW, $800 well spent on the '05, that price includes a water pump and coolant swap. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I don't know, my neighbors had a Volvo 240 with 250k on it and what appears to have been the original belt. Just have to change them when they are due. I've had a few cars with them, and the only real issue was a defective tensioner that flew apart on my Audi Fox in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere -- should have done what the manual recommended and replace the tensioner with the belt. Will probably do the next one in the Golf, hopefully will be retired by then. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Wasn't it Saturn that Hurst railed against for fitting a crappy oiler that resulted in chain failure? Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 6:48 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts are > for POS > > > Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM: >> I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in my >> garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. >> Rick >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Once you get out of greater LA it's a long run down to San Diego,short of a Tesla nothing pure electric will make it... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > On December 3, 2018 at 8:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > The only time the Prius would do better is sitting in traffic... I thought there were two styles of freeway commuting in SoCal, HOV lanes and "sitting in traffic". A frisky E-mobile like a Spark or a Bolt excels at both. (but I heard something about them no longer handing out HOV stickers to E-mobile owners, is that true?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
> On December 3, 2018 at 10:36 PM Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite > reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now. My '07 Ion only has 219k on the odo. That'll fix her up for another five years. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
That's pretty cool. Tell her to hold out until 2025 when well cared for Saturns will be worth 6 figures. On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:36 PM Dimitri wrote: > Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite > reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > Kari drives a SATURN?? > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:48 PM Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts >> are for POS >> > >> > >> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM: >> >> I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in >> my garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Yes she bought it new in 2002. Her first car which has proven to be quite reliable. She’s looking to upgrade now. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > Kari drives a SATURN?? > >> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:48 PM Dimitri via Mercedes >> wrote: >> Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts >> > are for POS >> > >> > >> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM: >> >> I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in my >> >> garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I don't know, my neighbors had a Volvo 240 with 250k on it and what appears to have been the original belt. Just have to change them when they are due. I've had a few cars with them, and the only real issue was a defective tensioner that flew apart on my Audi Fox in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere -- should have done what the manual recommended and replace the tensioner with the belt. Will probably do the next one in the Golf, hopefully will be retired by then. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Kari drives a SATURN?? On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:48 PM Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: > Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts > are for POS > > > > > > Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM: > >> I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in > my garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. > >> Rick > >> > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Yup. Even my gf’s Saturn has a timing chain. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts are > for POS > > > Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM: >> I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in my >> garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. >> Rick >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I like timing chains, especially dual row (duplex) ones. Timing belts are for POS Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 12/3/18 8:08 PM: I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in my garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
> On December 3, 2018 at 7:49 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the > Toyota Camry. They do like their Toyodas, don't they? The one next door drives a Xbox and a Taco. No, scratch that, when the transmission blew in the Tacoma last year (which didn't have that many miles on it), he said he didn't fit in the new Tacos and bought a full size Toy Pickup. He was not happy, because he was getting ready to dump the Scion which had over 200k on it, and that got put off until he pays off the new truck, he doesn't want two payments at once. He just barely fits in the Xb after having the drivers seat relocated, it looks like a clown car with just one person sitting in it. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I just had the timing belt replaced in the Golf -- found out a friend has the tools, but too late for getting it done before my big trip to SC for Thanksgiving. Pretty expensive, but well worth not trashing the engine on a trip. Now I'm waiting to replace a rear wheel bearing until I can find a replacement axle nut, everyone local sells the bearing and hub, but not the one time use nut. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Bearing failure or maintenance failure? Most timing belt issues are maintenance failures, but I remember a friend of mine complaining that her 87 Escort broke its belt at 35k miles and less than a year of almost all freeway driving. Yes you're right, that's not normal, but the warranty expired 23,000 miles ago so you're stuck. At least the 1.9L Escorts weren't interference valve trains. Mitch. > On December 3, 2018 at 9:08 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in my garage. Timing > belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Bob sez: >Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I am kind of. My ex bought a 2001 Forester, and my kid is fixing it in my garage. Timing belt bearing went out. Interference engine. Ugh. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
> On December 3, 2018 at 8:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > The only time the Prius would do better is sitting in traffic... I thought there were two styles of freeway commuting in SoCal, HOV lanes and "sitting in traffic". A frisky E-mobile like a Spark or a Bolt excels at both. (but I heard something about them no longer handing out HOV stickers to E-mobile owners, is that true?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe recently but for a couple decades if you wanted a boring toaster of a car you bought a Camry or for something slightly "sporty" an Accord. The Prius is more for those who want a smug toaster... A guy I work with has a Prius and drives from San Diego to LA for work, thats like 100 miles each way. He groans when I point out a Jetta TDI would get better mileage since most of that distance he's cruising on the highway. The only time the Prius would do better is sitting in traffic... -Curt On Monday, December 3, 2018, 7:57:34 PM EST, Dimitri wrote: But Prius is more gay than Camry. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the Toyota > Camry. I wonder if thats offset by men owning those, sure seems like a lot of > lesbians drive a Subaru wagon. We're friends with a lesbian couple that has > one and a Volvo wagon, I tease them for being "driving stereotypes". > -Curt > > On Monday, December 3, 2018, 7:46:59 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was waiting for that…. > > If anyone wants to read a really good story on targeted marketing, study up > on how Subaru purposefully targeted the lesbian community after they > discovered their products were popular with them (after their marketing > people couldn’t get the products off the ground with any other segment of the > market, I would add.) > > It’s pretty interesting. > > -D > > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> You bought and outback? Yuk >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
But Prius is more gay than Camry. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the Toyota > Camry. I wonder if thats offset by men owning those, sure seems like a lot of > lesbians drive a Subaru wagon. We're friends with a lesbian couple that has > one and a Volvo wagon, I tease them for being "driving stereotypes". > -Curt > >On Monday, December 3, 2018, 7:46:59 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was waiting for that…. > > If anyone wants to read a really good story on targeted marketing, study up > on how Subaru purposefully targeted the lesbian community after they > discovered their products were popular with them (after their marketing > people couldn’t get the products off the ground with any other segment of the > market, I would add.) > > It’s pretty interesting. > > -D > > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> You bought and outback? Yuk >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
They must be a hot item out there. Maybe I should sell you your old cars back. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I had had two w124s and a w123 sold while I literally on my way to see them. > Then there was a week or 10 day dry spell and needed wheels. My thought on > this 2004 Outback is I’ll drive it some, get it reasonably sorted while > searching for a w123 or a w124. Then I’ll have the Subi sitting in the garage > as an incentive for boy child to try to get his shit together. > > Bob R > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> You bought and outback? Yuk >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Probably you can put 10,000 miles on the Subaru and sell it for nearly what you paid for it too. The big depreciation is done, it probably won't decline much now.I was considering one as a replacement for my Jetta but I can't stomach the mileage hit. They're mostly rated <30mpg, I can't handle the idea of going from 55mpg to 30... -Curt On Monday, December 3, 2018, 7:51:07 PM EST, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: I had had two w124s and a w123 sold while I literally on my way to see them. Then there was a week or 10 day dry spell and needed wheels. My thought on this 2004 Outback is I’ll drive it some, get it reasonably sorted while searching for a w123 or a w124. Then I’ll have the Subi sitting in the garage as an incentive for boy child to try to get his shit together. Bob R Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> You bought and outback? Yuk >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and >>> this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
https://www.npr.org/2016/10/19/498504383/how-a-revolutionary-ad-campaign-helped-to-turn-around-subaru -D > On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was waiting for that…. > > If anyone wants to read a really good story on targeted marketing, study up > on how Subaru purposefully targeted the lesbian community after they > discovered their products were popular with them (after their marketing > people couldn’t get the products off the ground with any other segment of the > market, I would add.) > > It’s pretty interesting. > > -D > > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> You bought and outback? Yuk >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I suppose that makes sense. I love girls. Bob R Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the Toyota > Camry. I wonder if thats offset by men owning those, sure seems like a lot of > lesbians drive a Subaru wagon. We're friends with a lesbian couple that has > one and a Volvo wagon, I tease them for being "driving stereotypes". > -Curt > >On Monday, December 3, 2018, 7:46:59 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was waiting for that…. > > If anyone wants to read a really good story on targeted marketing, study up > on how Subaru purposefully targeted the lesbian community after they > discovered their products were popular with them (after their marketing > people couldn’t get the products off the ground with any other segment of the > market, I would add.) > > It’s pretty interesting. > > -D > > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> You bought and outback? Yuk >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I had had two w124s and a w123 sold while I literally on my way to see them. Then there was a week or 10 day dry spell and needed wheels. My thought on this 2004 Outback is I’ll drive it some, get it reasonably sorted while searching for a w123 or a w124. Then I’ll have the Subi sitting in the garage as an incentive for boy child to try to get his shit together. Bob R Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> You bought and outback? Yuk >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and >>> this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I read a study that suggested the #1 car in the homosexual set was the Toyota Camry. I wonder if thats offset by men owning those, sure seems like a lot of lesbians drive a Subaru wagon. We're friends with a lesbian couple that has one and a Volvo wagon, I tease them for being "driving stereotypes". -Curt On Monday, December 3, 2018, 7:46:59 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I was waiting for that…. If anyone wants to read a really good story on targeted marketing, study up on how Subaru purposefully targeted the lesbian community after they discovered their products were popular with them (after their marketing people couldn’t get the products off the ground with any other segment of the market, I would add.) It’s pretty interesting. -D > On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> You bought and outback? Yuk >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and >>> this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
I was waiting for that…. If anyone wants to read a really good story on targeted marketing, study up on how Subaru purposefully targeted the lesbian community after they discovered their products were popular with them (after their marketing people couldn’t get the products off the ground with any other segment of the market, I would add.) It’s pretty interesting. -D > On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:36 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> You bought and outback? Yuk >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and >>> this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Yup, the ultimate rug rumper mobile. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > You bought and outback? Yuk > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and >> this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Yup - I miss-read Don't as Don … On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Look closer. I quoted Kleb. > > -D > > > > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Wrong Okie - that was Kleb doing the shaming. > > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Hey! Don’t be brand shaming. This is what Bob got after trying hard to > >> find a nice W124/W123 without a lot of luck. He made the effort. > >> > >> Consider it an Asian 240D. > >> > >> -D > >> > >> > >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> You bought and outback? Yuk > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 > >> and this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many > of > > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few > who > > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > > for themselves." > > > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Look closer. I quoted Kleb. -D > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:32 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > Wrong Okie - that was Kleb doing the shaming. > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Hey! Don’t be brand shaming. This is what Bob got after trying hard to >> find a nice W124/W123 without a lot of luck. He made the effort. >> >> Consider it an Asian 240D. >> >> -D >> >> >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> You bought and outback? Yuk >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 >> and this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Wrong Okie - that was Kleb doing the shaming. On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Hey! Don’t be brand shaming. This is what Bob got after trying hard to > find a nice W124/W123 without a lot of luck. He made the effort. > > Consider it an Asian 240D. > > -D > > > > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > You bought and outback? Yuk > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 > and this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Hey! Don’t be brand shaming. This is what Bob got after trying hard to find a nice W124/W123 without a lot of luck. He made the effort. Consider it an Asian 240D. -D > On Dec 3, 2018, at 5:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > You bought and outback? Yuk > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and >> this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
Well, I own a 2017 Subaru Legacy, but have done nothing except air the tires and check the oil on it so far. I did work for a Subaru dealer in 1971 or '72 as a factory trained mechanic, but haven't touched one since. On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:08 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and > this 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru
You bought and outback? Yuk Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is there anyone among us aSubaru guy? I haven’t owned one since 1983 and this > 2004 Outback is I bought is confounding me. Bob R > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru Diesel
More specifically the laws require that Subaru make a California emissions model in a certain percentage in order to be eligible to market them in the whole country so they say "F" you USA. At least that is what I have heard... Mike On Jul 1, 2013 10:01 PM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > Alex Chamberlain writes: > > > I think the reason given for why they backed out from selling cars > > with the new diesel engine in the USA was the usual--our screwy > > emissions laws, especially in California. > > Yes, that's why. They don't want to import cars that they can't sell in > the biggest markets (NY and CA). > > -- > Allan Streib > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru Diesel
Alex Chamberlain writes: > I think the reason given for why they backed out from selling cars > with the new diesel engine in the USA was the usual--our screwy > emissions laws, especially in California. Yes, that's why. They don't want to import cars that they can't sell in the biggest markets (NY and CA). -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru Diesel
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote: > I bet the moment they get something diesel that can compete with Volkswagen > mpg for the TDI, they will start importing it. I'd certainly give it a > look. > > May never happen. Subarus always seem to get a little worse mileage than same-size cars from other makes, I assume because of the four-wheel-drive hardware and accompanying lower final drive ratios they use. I think the reason given for why they backed out from selling cars with the new diesel engine in the USA was the usual--our screwy emissions laws, especially in California. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru Diesel
I bet the moment they get something diesel that can compete with Volkswagen mpg for the TDI, they will start importing it. I'd certainly give it a look. Bob R On Jun 29, 2013 10:30 AM, "Alex Chamberlain" wrote: > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Scott Ritchey > wrote: > > > Speaking of Diesels, Subaru started making a 4-cylinder boxer Diesel a > few > > years ago but it was not imported into the US. I was wondering if anyone > > on > > the list had any information or experience with this Subaru Diesel. > Maybe > > list members who live and/or travel in foreign lands know something about > > this powertrain. > > > > > Interestingly, Subaru won't sell their diesel cars here but there is > nothing stopping you from importing a crate engine from Japan and > installing it in another chassis. I bet if you have $60K or so lying > around, Small Car Performance in Tacoma will build you a diesel-powered > Porsche 356 clone: > > http://www.smallcar.com/index.php?dispatch=pages.view&page_id=64 > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru Diesel
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote: > Speaking of Diesels, Subaru started making a 4-cylinder boxer Diesel a few > years ago but it was not imported into the US. I was wondering if anyone > on > the list had any information or experience with this Subaru Diesel. Maybe > list members who live and/or travel in foreign lands know something about > this powertrain. > > Interestingly, Subaru won't sell their diesel cars here but there is nothing stopping you from importing a crate engine from Japan and installing it in another chassis. I bet if you have $60K or so lying around, Small Car Performance in Tacoma will build you a diesel-powered Porsche 356 clone: http://www.smallcar.com/index.php?dispatch=pages.view&page_id=64 Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subaru diesel
> <> > Also take a look at: www.dieselair.com www.thielert.com RLE
Re: [MBZ] Subaru to make world's first boxer turbodiesel
COOL! Now if only it were coming to the US next year for $5K got 75mpg and came in an AWD minivan... Levi (: Ahh, dreams... On 1/4/07, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://news.hspn.com/articles/793/3/Subaru-at-The-2006-Paris-Motorshow/Page3.html Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '92 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
